AW Manipulation Condoned

http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/51407/regarding-alliance-wars-matchmaking#latest

zero7 wrote: »

i missed it, what objections were raised, and what rewards were received?

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Ciiic

It is unfair that top alliances can arrange not to queue for AW so they don't match up against each other. This inflated their AW rating. Kabam didn't care about it before and nothing was done about it despite many people saying it was unfair.

Now that rewards are available for winning matches, and these guys have such a high rating that no other alliance can match them, they are at a disadvantage because they can't get minimum matches required for reward.

To me it seems like they have done this to themselves, yet Kabam is happy to reward such behaviour. Just goes to show Kabam is a money hungry organisation and listen to the whales, not the rest of the players who make this game popular. Time to rate this game 1* to show them that the majority of players need to be listened to.

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

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What puzzles me is multiple shell alliances who had top AW ratings (top 20-100) have recently disbanded. These shell alliances are keeping multiple other alliances from moving up AW tiers by increasing complicating the AW matchmaking process. I don’t understand why an issue that affects thousands of alliances and is out of control of those thousands of alliances is ignored, when an issue that affects one alliance and was caused by that one alliance’s matchmaking behavior over a period of years is addressed.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

You’re missing the point. An inflated war rating is understandable if that alliance ran 3 wars per week and didn’t intentionally avoid other top war rated alliances. It’s common knowledge among veteran and top war alliance players that this alliance ran 2 wars per week and intentionally sought matches after other top war rated alliances had already been matched. Again, the lesson here is actions do not have consequences. If you cause your alliance war rating to be inflated by intentionally avoiding certain opponents and only running 2 wars a week for 1-2 years, you should deal with the consequences accordingly.

MattMan

Unhappy cows generally don’t provide as much milk.

I guess this holds true for MCOC whales.

Wil6541

Umm scroll up @GroundedWisdom we did the same thing but get nothing.

Deadbyrd9

No, Kabam has addressed that inactive alliances such as shells don’t hold spots in the tiers even if they have a high war rating. They never said what counts as inactive but I’m sure missing a week or 2 of wars would count as inactive

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

this was not just with them. and it was reported by others. Don't speak on others behalf

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

You’re missing the point. An inflated war rating is understandable if that alliance ran 3 wars per week and didn’t intentionally avoid other top war rated alliances. It’s common knowledge among veteran and top war alliance players that this alliance ran 2 wars per week and intentionally sought matches after other top war rated alliances had already been matched. Again, the lesson here is actions do not have consequences. If you cause your alliance war rating to be inflated by intentionally avoiding certain opponents and only running 2 wars a week for 1-2 years, you should deal with the consequences accordingly.

You're compounding issues here. I don't disagree that those things are wrong, but if it's within the rules, there's nothing that can be done. It would take changing them to address them.

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

No, Kabam has addressed that inactive alliances such as shells don’t hold spots in the tiers even if they have a high war rating. They never said what counts as inactive but I’m sure missing a week or 2 of wars would count as inactive

That would be awesome, if that’s the case I missed that announcement. It’s unfortunate that that was the least important point made on in this thread, it would be great to hear reasonable answers about the other points made.

Primmer79 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

this was not just with them. and it was reported by others. Don't speak on others behalf

Sometimes it takes longer, and that's not what happened. The Ally started searching the second Matchmaking opened, and it ended without them finding a Match. Not that they had to wait longer. They didn't find a Match the entire time Matchmaking was opened. This is becoming a springboard for other issues.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/53916/aw-matching#latest

You're compounding issues here. I don't disagree that those things are wrong, but if it's within the rules, there's nothing that can be done. It would take changing them to address them.

You’re still missing the point. Other alliances had the exact same issue as the alliance described in the above hyperlink. All of the other alliances had their requests denied. It’s more constructive to the player community when threads are addressed in their entirety, focusing on only one or two points made distracts people from the overall message.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Primmer79 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

this was not just with them. and it was reported by others. Don't speak on others behalf

Sometimes it takes longer, and that's not what happened. The Ally started searching the second Matchmaking opened, and it ended without them finding a Match. Not that they had to wait longer. They didn't find a Match the entire time Matchmaking was opened. This is becoming a springboard for other issues.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/53916/aw-matching#latest

This isnt about waiting. The one I know for a fact, they searched right away, and got a match several hours later. The match time was not as long as this alliance's, but the match time then put their second search later, and their third search time an hour before cutoff, and they didnt find a third match. so by having those longer match times, they didnt find a third match.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Primmer79 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The issue addressed was because the Ally started Matchmaking as soon as they could and could not find a Match at all. Unfortunately, while unfair, there are no rules currently against when an Ally chooses to Match. Adora already addressed this and said it was legit, and that they started Matching as soon as they could, otherwise they wouldn't be taking action. There may be other issues, but they don't relate to the situation that was addressed.

this was not just with them. and it was reported by others. Don't speak on others behalf

Sometimes it takes longer, and that's not what happened. The Ally started searching the second Matchmaking opened, and it ended without them finding a Match. Not that they had to wait longer. They didn't find a Match the entire time Matchmaking was opened. This is becoming a springboard for other issues.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/53916/aw-matching#latest

"it took hours more to find an Alliance to match with."

Directly from their post. not that it ended. that it took hours more to find an alliance to match with

Was it the exact same issue? Did they not Match in the 5 days it was open, or was it just longer and meant less Wars? Totally different situations. It takes longer sometimes. They did what they could to speed up the Matchmaking. This situation meant the Ally didn't find a Match in the entire time Matchmaking was open. Big difference.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Was it the exact same issue? Did they not Match in the 5 days it was open, or was it just longer and meant less Wars? Totally different situations. It takes longer sometimes. They did what they could to speed up the Matchmaking. This situation meant the Ally didn't find a Match in the entire time Matchmaking was open. Big difference.

Okay lets take a few situations.

Situation A:
This alliance. A full cycle of 3 missed wars due to matchmaking not finding a match. We'll ignore the other issues around WHY their rating was high and it took awhile. So due to the existing system, it extended their wait time.

Situation B:
Another alliance has long overall wait times, but gets two wars in. Just misses a third war. I know this happened to several alliances, just due to the typical matchmaking.

Situation C:
Due to long wait times, alliance gets one war during the entire matchmaking period.

Only Situation A requires attention? Only situation A requires something to fix it? All 3 of these situations happened, and they only choose to deal with one alliance. Have not even acknowledged helping any of the others.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Was it the exact same issue? Did they not Match in the 5 days it was open, or was it just longer and meant less Wars? Totally different situations. It takes longer sometimes. They did what they could to speed up the Matchmaking. This situation meant the Ally didn't find a Match in the entire time Matchmaking was open. Big difference.

Do you play in a tier 1-3 AW alliance, or do you know players who have for some time? Not trying to put you on the defensive here, I’m asking questions to try to understand where you’re coming from. Making comments and assumptions based on secondary sources can lead to misunderstandings and inaccurate perspectives. It is generally much easier to offer opinions on what others say rather than consider multiple points of view that differ from our own because learning that our own perspectives are invalid is not something enjoyable to consider.

Multiple players have made comments with primary sources that confirm other alliances have missed out on AW matchups. An exception should apply to all alliances who missed out on AW matchups for the reason that was detailed by moderators.

They addressed all situations. Which is why they sped up the Matchmaking process. This was the only case where they couldn't Match at all. Would people feel it was that unfair if the Ally was mid-Tier, or would they not care? I'm willing to bet they wouldn't care. This whole competitive hunger has people so focused on everyone else that it's becoming a bit extreme. If they were doing something unfair, it wouldn't have been dealt with. The other Allies at least had the chance to Fight. They did not.

Born

Not to mention as a direct result of the changes, it caused may other matchmaking issues for other alliances. We always did 3 wars a week and every war was matched fairly closely in war rating. Sometimes it took a few minutes and sometimes 15 minutes, but we always found an ally close to us. And We won some, and we lost some, but all is equal and fair. No issue there.

Since the change, it has taken less than a minute to match us with allys that have much larger war ratings than ours, with every war. Since the change we have been severely outmatched ever time. But this is ok? Doesn’t matter if any other ally is matched unfairly due to the broken system? As long as 1 is getting what they want?

As far as I am concearned, the current system is screwing many other allys out of prizes and effecting their season in a negative way.

The system was working before, very few complaints. Now all of a sudden it wasn’t working for 1 ally so they changed it? What an absolute joke!

@GroundedWisdom Can you address my responses? Continuing to post while ignoring others’ points risks getting threads closed down for being off task.

Maat1985

I believe what they have done here sets a whaley good precedent. It whaley makes me think twice about how things work around here.
Kabam you have done a whaley good job here. Whether or not you believe you are correct and have whaley done the right thing, you have whaley caused alot of issues. There were some people that long believed you treat the whales differently to the bulk of your player place. Now you have whaley extended that to a larger portion of your playerbase.
It is not cool.
Makes me think that if i open my wallet i will get everything i want in the game....
But behaviour like this makes me want to close my wallet even tighter....

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

@GroundedWisdom Can you address my responses? Continuing to post while ignoring others’ points risks getting threads closed down for being off task.

What shuts Threads down is calling people out with their experience. We're discussing a topic. Not what Tier I'm in.

For that matter, if it's shut down, it's because the Moderator has already addressed the topic, and all this is doing is creating non-constructive conspiracy. I tried to explain the situation, but it's obvious people are just convinced it's not fair, so have at it.