Evading After Block Since 17.2 [Under Investigation]

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  • SammichSammich Posts: 8
    Support responded to me that no one else is having this issue... clearly not the case. Here is the video I provided them that didn’t seam to be an issue. You’ll notice bishop seems to stick in a gun pose for a split second allowing him to get blasted
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3vxon1q1kl8wvc/Video 2018-03-27, 9 49 32 PM.mp4?dl=0
  • PalanthraxPalanthrax Posts: 530 ★★★
    I've just observed another really obvious example of the block recovery time having increased.

    Rogue's SP1, you can usually take the first part into your block and then have ample time to evade back to avoid the life steal. You can still avoid it, but barely - one time she got me despite my best efforts. Evading this used to be child's play, it feels so different since 17.2.
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    Well I am not as mad as everyone else because the unresponsiveness has been here for months now so I got used to it and it really does not like this will be fixed for a long while but I just simply want go back to evading agent venoms sp1
  • Savio444Savio444 Posts: 1,781 ★★★★
    Palanthrax wrote: »
    I've just observed another really obvious example of the block recovery time having increased.

    Rogue's SP1, you can usually take the first part into your block and then have ample time to evade back to avoid the life steal. You can still avoid it, but barely - one time she got me despite my best efforts. Evading this used to be child's play, it feels so different since 17.2.

    It’s like “you want rifts and good rewards?, sure but it’s gonna cost you with the these crappy evade bugs and AI changes!!”
  • Apocalypse189Apocalypse189 Posts: 802 ★★
    I am noticing a change

    But not with blocking

    It's the difficulty of the AI, it just feels more aggressive to me.

    I was just fighting an AQ symbioid and every time I did a 5 Hit Combo I blocked and went to attack, the symbioid wènt very aggressive and countered
  • Ortem420Ortem420 Posts: 76
    Similar issue with Classic and SYM Spidey’s SP1 and Dormammu’s SP2. Was able to evade them but now to no avail.
    I also noticed when trying to evade some heroes hard hit like Ultron or Jugg or any one that does the uppercut hit, my characters doesn’t react to the swipe back. It stays frozen and receives the hit. I can evade any other hard hit with no problem. But when it comes to those, it’s like a 40/60 chance it’ll respond to my command.

    I’m using an iPhone 6s iOS 11.2.6(latest)
    Also, I don’t experience this on my LG V10 Android 7.0. So it seems like it’s only an iPhone/iPad issue.
  • ImranImran Posts: 212
    Ya, happened to me also while evading cable sp1!
    Device: Samsung Galaxy s6
  • rockykostonrockykoston Posts: 750
    Can confirm, it is impossible to evade a special mid-way now which was easily evadable pre-update.

    All bullet specials or even multi hit energy attacks cannot be evaded anymore (after taking the first as block damage)
  • AcanthusAcanthus Posts: 447 ★★★
    edited March 2018
    Have you guys checked your internet connection? That is usually the problem when things aren't working as intended.

    Don't forget to post your phone model and OS first
  • YoMovesYoMoves Posts: 334 ★★
    Miike, thank you for at least clarifying what you said. You left us in a bit of a tizzy earlier and it's at least reassuring to know something is being done as opposed to the nothing we were worried of. Thanks for checking back in.
  • RobkidsRobkids Posts: 8
    I can confirm these same issues. I'm playing on an iphone8 and was running act 5.3.2 and 5.3.6 yesterday and the gameplay for blocking and evading was way off. it is hard to nail down exactly what was wrong, but my item use shot way up just for a few passes. luckily i cut my losses before it got too expensive. Please look into this issue ASAP.
  • EvangelionlovrEvangelionlovr Posts: 307 ★★
    I have noticed this as well specifically with Spiderman's SP1. Usually if I am unable to evade it right when he uses it I can still evade after the first two hits but I have noticed that since the update my character just stands there for the duration of the SP1. It is really annoying for war and Act 5 because taking that much block damage is not good for hard content.
  • Mcord117Mcord117 Posts: 1,287 ★★★★
    Palanthrax wrote: »
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    Hey everyone!

    Thanks for the information and thread on this. We're sharing this with the rest of the team and getting it looked into.

    Sir, it's obvious that recovery timings have been altered for us while being buffed for the AI. Why are you acting as though this is new information that should be sent to the team?

    I'm gonna stop you right there. Nothing has been changed with Block Timing at all. We've already confirmed this with the team. Jumping to conspiracy theories like this is not okay, and is not constructive. We don't make changes without letting you guys know, as long as we are aware.

    @Kabam Miike, as your comment stirred the waters here a little, I'm going to volunteer that what you meant to say was "nothing has intentionally been changed" regarding block recovery time. I believe this is the message you were trying to get across, and if that's the case I'm totally on board with it.

    We know that there is an issue with block recovery time because it is now a provable fact, i.e. we have video evidence of partially evading Agent Venom's SP1 all over YouTube, an example of which I posted in this thread, and we have the provable fact that evading the same SP1 mid-special is now not possible.

    This is all people need to focus on in this thread, just the facts - not hyperbole, personal attacks or trying to turn this into an answer for every problem anyone has with the game.

    Block. Recovery. Time.

    Yes and no. Let me clarify, nothing has been changed with Blocks or Reaction to those blocks. That doesn't mean that something isn't off, but it does mean that we have to look at other possible causes. What I was trying to address was the jumping to the conclusion that we made a change on purpose and didn't tell you guys.

    We've looked at the aspects of the game that surround Blocking, and nothing has changed, intentional or unintentional. We're currently looking into what could be causing this problem, and will let you all know when we find something.

    I would then like to interject that some degree of quality control is need d before releasing. It is immediately noticeable in a small number of fights. I am running through uncollected on second account and it is utterly impossible to dash out of bishops l2. Can only block now taking massive damage where as just a week ago I could easily evade with near no damage at all. The players aren’t asking for much, just that when you release an update it actually functions and or when something like this sneaks through you own up to it and compensate
  • _noyes_noyes Posts: 51
    edited March 2018
    Blocking has changed. Flat out. Intention doesn't matter if the facts are present.

    @Kabam Miike This was brought to your attention a long time ago, so quit playing coy

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/41246/major-issues-with-recovery-timings-dexterity-and-all-combat-mechanics-under-investigation/
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    Can agent venoms sp1 get sorted out first this should be the easiest one to fix we can't evade his bullets.
  • CihagCihag Posts: 279
    edited March 2018
    _noyes wrote: »
    Blocking has changed. Flat out. Intention doesn't matter if the facts are present.

    @Kabam Miike This was brought to your attention a long time ago, so quit playing coy

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/41246/major-issues-with-recovery-timings-dexterity-and-all-combat-mechanics-under-investigation/

    To be honest: this actually works a bit against our argument... I’ve only noticed the issues quite recently, after the latest update... If you are saying that such issues have been brought to Kabam’s attention quite a while ago, it might be completely independent from the update and thus even more difficult to identify what the problem is...
  • Mcord117Mcord117 Posts: 1,287 ★★★★
    It’s not the same thing as the previous issue. The ability to block the beginning of a projectile special then dash back to evade the rest has only changed in this update.

    Wonder if one of the new champs will have an sp this benefits
  • _noyes_noyes Posts: 51
    The ability to evade after blocking an attack has been discussed for quite some time. If it took AV's sp1 to bring more people to the conversation, so be it. It's still combat mechanics. It's still undocumented changes to the game. It's still something that will likely get overlooked. Sorry to be so salty, but I've seen too many small changes like this one brought to their attention, go "Under Investigation" and then get ignored or the issue closed.
  • FluffyPigMonsterFluffyPigMonster Posts: 220
    Is this related to the lag in reset of a champion’s medium hit at the end of a combo? If I M-L-L-L-M with certain champs I get destroyed because my champ can’t reset after the second medium attack. It’s quite frustrating and costs health/etc.
  • DJSergyDJSergy Posts: 166 ★★
    I’m seeing this bug also. iPhone 6plus. In addition to the specials mentioned, I’ve seen issues trying to dash back while blocking the AI to prevent further block damage
  • I'm having the same issues as OP. Please fix this.

    Device: Samsung Galaxy J7
    Model: SM-J700H
    Android Version 6.0.1
    Play on Wi-Fi
    Happens in all game modes
  • YoMoves wrote: »

    If they're gonna change it, fine, whatever, but not telling us is an absolute foul on the developer's part.

    Actually it's not fine at all!
  • SomeoneElseSomeoneElse Posts: 424 ★★★
    I have been noticing this problem for a while too. I lumped it in with all of the combat mechanics issues. I have noticed that even when the AI does slow combo hits, I cannot go from blocking to evade the way I used to. I am “block-locked” once I block that first attack. The amount of block damage that we take now makes this unacceptable.

    It is hard for me to imagine that these changes are unintentional. The timings change in almost every release. I don’t understand how these changes could be accidental, and I definitely don’t understand how these “bugs” aren’t discovered during testing.
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