Alliance Quest Miniboss and Sentinel Refresh - April 2018 - Discussion Thread [Updated April 13]

Summoners,

We've just announced a small refresh of Alliance Quests that will start April 2nd. This will include new Minibosses, and a farewell to our Symbioid friends!

Read all about it, then ask your questions!

UPDATE:
We've just posted an update in regards to your feedback on Alliance Quests. This post includes some adjustments to Sentinels and Alliance Quests that will be coming with the next series (Starting April 18th). Take a look right here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/62626/upcoming-adjustments-to-alliance-quests-april-18th-2018

Comments

Piviot

Maat1985 wrote: »

No need for insults.....

I get the analagy just fine....
But it is not totally correct....

My boss asks me to do a harder task then normal....
I ask him for more money....
He says well do it for a while... we will see how you go and then we will talk....

Hard work first.... pay increase after....

How can you not understand that.... Action A happens before Action B happens....

Evn if i go to my boss and say
I need more money...
He will say
Do this harder job.... once i i know you can do it well then we will talk...

Hard work first.... more money later... simple

THIS IS NOT A JOB

Granted you pay with your time or money

But it is NOT a job should be fun not work

But I agree in a sense they are trying to make it a job

Maat1985

Piviot wrote: »

Maat1985 wrote: »

No need for insults.....

I get the analagy just fine....
But it is not totally correct....

My boss asks me to do a harder task then normal....
I ask him for more money....
He says well do it for a while... we will see how you go and then we will talk....

Hard work first.... pay increase after....

How can you not understand that.... Action A happens before Action B happens....

Evn if i go to my boss and say
I need more money...
He will say
Do this harder job.... once i i know you can do it well then we will talk...

Hard work first.... more money later... simple

THIS IS NOT A JOB

Grantented you pay with your time or money

But it is NOT a job should be fun not work

Yes you are correct....

i have said that.....

I am not the one who used this analagy.... i am saying how it is not right to be used here....

I find this game fun.....
Very fun.... which is why i play it....

People here complain so much and say it is not fun.... why do they play it then???
If it is no longer bringing you joy then it is time to find something that does

Mana_Pot

Maat1985 wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

Maat1985 wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

Maat1985 wrote: »

Mana_Pot wrote: »

Maat1985 wrote: »

Legendsend wrote: »

Maat1985 wrote: »

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Speeds80 wrote: »

Wtf would you welcome this change, there is no benefit to the player, the sentinels may be fun to fight someone different for a week or two, but then they will be the same more repetitive and long fights than ever, I’ll be fine, I have r4 5* blade, sparky, magik, Ultron, (soon to be r5 one of them) maybe it will mean splitting up my r4s from war on day 5, no biggy, maybe I’ll use a boost that have been going to stash since I finished act 5 and war isn’t hard since I play in a mid level alliance. but it’s actually the 90% that I feel sorry for, and the reason I am protesting this weak stingy and unthoughtful change to aq . Honestly I would campaign to give rdts to those under 250k, it’s the up and coming dudes in my alliance who are hating this the most, the ones who only have a handful of r5s and they were all specifically ranked for aq and now suck. They are probably going to die on day 5 map 5. I don’t need one but it’s the ones who were relying on their few healers to make it through that this affects. Well probably drop to doing 55533 if that’s a problem, again it’s them I feel sorry for if we do as they are the ones gagging for t4cs. As usual a kabam decision that benefits none of the players, gotten used to their ethics and I happily no longer spend a dime

There is benifit to me.....
Not everything is about ease of rewards for everyone....
The benifit to me is something different to do and challenge myself with.
Atm i think they are a little hard and annoying to fight.... i now have he challenge of getting better at it.....

Those after easy rewards will not welcome this
Those after a challenge without concern for hard tomget rewards will welcome this....
Those somewhere in between will fall somewhere in between:
Happy to have a change and a challenge.....
And
FML these are too hard for what the rewards are....

What??? I'm commenting on all your comments since you feel the need to do that to everyone else...Just because you want to be compensated for what you do does not mean you are after easy rewards, don't group the few with the many. Compensation for what you do is the right thing, you know... Like when you want your paycheck for the work you do, or should ppl not be paid properly for their work due to them looking for easy money

Once upon a time you probably thought map2 symbiods at 3000pi were hard....
But hey you got better champs....
You got better skills.....
This is the same....

And besides everyjob i have ever been in things always got harder before i got more money...
Start doing more/harder work.... after a while money went up...
Once you are able to do the job properly....
If the job hets harder and you can no longer do it you would get fired....
If he job got harder and you Proved you were up to it then you get more money....

You chose a very bad analagy there....

His analogy was accurate. You're just warping it to your point of view.

Not really cus my point is that we do this for a while.... then next aq season comes and rewards get better.....

Same with a job.... slog it out tough for a while.... next pay review comes.... push for fair pay based on wat you have done...

You prove yourself.... that is life....

You dont ask for a payrise based on what you may or may not do.... you ask for pay rise based on wat you have done....

Besides this is a game not life....

Not in government work you don't. Also, what's with all the "..." ? It's like you're transcribing the breaths you take between each thought.

...... is just the way i type... so what???

Government work is not an accurate representation of the real world....

Government workers barely work and get paid way tooo much.... atleast in my country anyway....

Real people actually have to work for their money....

................................................................... thread is becoming derailed..........
Waiting for kabam to shut it down!!!!!!!!!!!!

Naturally a counterpoint to your opinion is invalid. Typical. Why announce you're waiting for this to be shut down? You know you're a contributor to the derailment.

Every argument has a counterpart..... mine, yours, everyones..... i can write a debate for both sides of a topic without a problem.... everything can be countered ether by highlighting certain points or ommiting certain points.....
Heck if you know anything about government work that is politics....

And yes i am contributing to the derailment.... but i dont care cus it will stop all the people compaining:...

And also i suggested we agree to disagree but instead i have someone rebutt me.... of course if someone revitts me i will have something to say.....
It is a debate.... thats what this is....

Wait. You're stopping people from complaining how exactly? Pretty high opinion of yourself, lol.

Piviot

I just read the comment meant no offense

Didn’t go look at your history to read what you wrote

Just from the quote I reposted

GroundedWisdom

Piviot wrote: »

Maat1985 wrote: »

No need for insults.....

I get the analagy just fine....
But it is not totally correct....

My boss asks me to do a harder task then normal....
I ask him for more money....
He says well do it for a while... we will see how you go and then we will talk....

Hard work first.... pay increase after....

How can you not understand that.... Action A happens before Action B happens....

Evn if i go to my boss and say
I need more money...
He will say
Do this harder job.... once i i know you can do it well then we will talk...

Hard work first.... more money later... simple

THIS IS NOT A JOB

Granted you pay with your time or money

But it is NOT a job should be fun not work

But I agree in a sense they are trying to make it a job

Correct, it's not a job. It's a game. However, to adjust to changes and compete, it takes work. It takes work to change and grow. If it was all fun and easy, we would be playing Candy Crush, same thing over and over, varying candies thrown in. Add a combination now and then, but still the same thing. Theoretically you don't have to make work of it. You can play and have fun. You just won't be able to maintain a competitive level.

Speeds80

Dear everybody else in this convo, we know that maat thinks everything will be fine and is trying to shut this thread down, we have heard his point of view and there is no point fueling his attempt to derail l this conversation, so let’s not engage him further, let’s get back to hearing what other people think, I’m not seeing much positivity, my r4 5* Ultron just got slaughtered on the bleed path, mystic sent. with mystic dispersion, can just spam l2 non stop (my Ultron isn’t duped), this will not be doable by day 5, this change clearly has not been tested well and the frustration is real and growing

Maat1985

Speeds80 wrote: »

Dear everybody else in this convo, we know that maat thinks everything will be fine and is trying to shut this thread down, we have heard his point of view and there is no point fueling his attempt to derail l this conversation, so let’s not engage him further, let’s get back to hearing what other people think, I’m not seeing much positivity, my r4 5* Ultron just got slaughtered on the bleed path, mystic sent. with mystic dispersion, can just spam l2 non stop (my Ultron isn’t duped), this will not be doable by day 5, this change clearly has not been tested well and the frustration is real and growing

Here here.....
Well said....
I must say though i firmly believe the sentineloids are a good thing.....
A tough challenge....
A pain in the ass....
But a welcome change from the sentineloids that were getting stale and boring....

Maat1985

Try Luke Cage V mystic sentineloid.... he works amazingly in war against mystic dispersion

Speeds80

Yeah just don’t have him past 4* yet, considering all my r5 bench warmers now I haven’t done 4* ranks for months, I may bring him up, would have liked to r3 my 5*yj I got last week first but I’m considering him or rulk now to do poison lane

Maat1985

My luke will be coming up.... i have him in my second at r5 and he does well but that is not really a test cus that is against easier opponents

ChiSox_2005

Where are the rank down tickets? We spend time and resources upgrading champs to help us, then they make drastic changes which require champs we don't have ranked up to compete.

phillgreen

This will sound harsh but isn't the usual advice given to everyone on the forum who has an issue with content difficulty to either "git gud" or "not all content is for all summoners blah blah blah"?

Seems to me, some might benefit from dropping a map down, you know, where the content suits their ability and roster?

kmbell81

I’m still trying to figure out my response to this. I run the debuff immune path in section two and I’m already getting trashed pretty bad on day two.

I think I have an idea but I’m afraid to share it here lest Kabam turn around and nerf the solutions I am thinking of.

ItsTheBroski

phillgreen wrote: »

This will sound harsh but isn't the usual advice given to everyone on the forum who has an issue with content difficulty to either "git gud" or "not all content is for all summoners blah blah blah"?

Seems to me, some might benefit from dropping a map down, you know, where the content suits their ability and roster?

The problem with most on here isn't skill. It's the fact that Kabam make AQ harder without bumping up the rewards you feel?

GroundedWisdom

I'm not entirely convinced the Rewards would make a difference. People would still be unhappy. Why? They're not as efficient at it as they were with the Syms. People don't like failing. Unfortunately, it's almost inevitable when trying something new. Players are proud. When they die or take Damage, they take it personally.

Maat1985

I have also tried to offer suggestions to help people adapt....
Ie try luke cage v mystic sentinel....
Always try for class advanatage.....

Because regardless of how people feel about this chamge...
It is here...
And we need to work out how to best deal with it

Karakanli

Yes and I appreciated your suggestion approx 20 Pages ago. Thanks again for this, im serious here.

What I read on the last 15 pages looks to me like: everything is Said but Not by everybody...

So maybe its a good Moment to read something from kabams side?!?

GroundedWisdom

Maat1985 wrote: »

I have also tried to offer suggestions to help people adapt....
Ie try luke cage v mystic sentinel....
Always try for class advanatage.....

Because regardless of how people feel about this chamge...
It is here...
And we need to work out how to best deal with it

I find Hulk smashes through them fairly well.

ItsTheBroski

Maat1985 wrote: »

I have also tried to offer suggestions to help people adapt....
Ie try luke cage v mystic sentinel....
Always try for class advanatage.....

Because regardless of how people feel about this chamge...
It is here...
And we need to work out how to best deal with it

The best thing to do is get used to it's animations. I can easily kill a 10k rating Sentinel with a 3k rating x-23 now. Before I couldn't and it was difficult, but now it's a lot easier. It's all about getting the animations down.

Maat1985

Yeah timing to come in during / after a heavy through me at first.... but now i bait the heavy and then jump in for a combo it makes it alot easier....

Evading the sp2 is much eaiser the greater the distance between you and the sentinel. At close range it is quite challengeing asnthe rockets are very close together... further away you have more time between each rocket..

Tonedef

In a couple weeks we’ll all be better at fighting them, and totally bored of fighting nearly the exact same thing 25-50 times per week.

Mhykke

I was looking forward to this change, now I see it’s awful.

Bleed immune champs take forever to take down a sentinel....and doing alternating attacks? Can’t imagine a less fun way to play. This is disgusting.

The worst 3.5 million health fights in labyrinth were much more enjoyable than this.

I’m about ready to sell all the champs I can and quit. I’m not doing this five days a week.

GroundedWisdom

Mhykke wrote: »

I was looking forward to this change, now I see it’s awful.

Bleed immune champs take forever to take down a sentinel....and doing alternating attacks? Can’t imagine a less fun way to play. This is disgusting.

The worst 3.5 million health fights were more enjoyable than this.

I’m about ready to sell all the champs I can and quit. I’m not doing this five days a week.

You think they're hard now. Try selling all your Champs. XD

Seriously though, it will get easier.

Spurgeon14

If a lot of the player base has trouble with Sentinels in AQ Kabam will make adjustments somewhere. For sure. We just have to wait.

Tonedef

I feel like I’m getting hunted by some kinda anti-grav atomic-powered supervillain robots. I’m having nightmares of them just waiting for me to dash back so they can slide forward 0.001 seconds later and combo my face.
My R4 5* Angela has been doing way better against them than my 5/50 Medusa. I’m surprised.

Mhykke

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mhykke wrote: »

I was looking forward to this change, now I see it’s awful.

Bleed immune champs take forever to take down a sentinel....and doing alternating attacks? Can’t imagine a less fun way to play. This is disgusting.

The worst 3.5 million health fights were more enjoyable than this.

I’m about ready to sell all the champs I can and quit. I’m not doing this five days a week.

You think they're hard now. Try selling all your Champs. XD

Seriously though, it will get easier.

It’s not that it’s hard. It’s no fun. Read my post again. Fights in labyrinth against mobs with 3.4 million health and hard enigmatics are hard fights....but they’re fun.

These sentinel fights are mind numbingly boring.

raffster

Alliances have to review the member's lane assignments in AQ and validate against their rosters. It's become essential now that we take in at least two champs that can handle Sentinels and one champ that clears the usual nodes in the lanes.

In the future it would be better if Kabam rolled out a small pilot first to see how this goes vs doing a roll out like this without really knowing the repercussions.

It's NOT A BIG deal per se but it's very clear that little thought and planning was done around this. And the comments and reactions on this thread validate whatever the general sentiment against this "mini Change" has done to AQ before the full refresh.

GroundedWisdom

Mhykke wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mhykke wrote: »

I was looking forward to this change, now I see it’s awful.

Bleed immune champs take forever to take down a sentinel....and doing alternating attacks? Can’t imagine a less fun way to play. This is disgusting.

The worst 3.5 million health fights were more enjoyable than this.

I’m about ready to sell all the champs I can and quit. I’m not doing this five days a week.

You think they're hard now. Try selling all your Champs. XD

Seriously though, it will get easier.

It’s not that it’s hard. It’s no fun. Read my post again. Fights in labyrinth against mobs with 3.4 million health and hard enigmatics are hard fights....but they’re fun.

These sentinel fights are mind numbingly boring.

26 pages says they can't be that boring. Lol.

Maat1985

Tonedef wrote: »

I feel like I’m getting hunted by some kinda anti-grav atomic-powered supervillain robots. I’m having nightmares of them just waiting for me to dash back so they can slide forward 0.001 seconds later and combo my face.
My R4 5* Angela has been doing way better against them than my 5/50 Medusa. I’m surprised.

Should only be suprised to a point.... That angela has a huge difference in challenger rating when comapared with your medusa....

Tonedef

I can’t remember the last time anyone in my BG was 100% dead before fighting Dormz. Even without losing my Angela because of Freeze-Lag I’m still in much worse shape than I usually would be at this point on Day 5. I guess I ought to start doing the Halls of Boredom again.