Alliance Wars Season 3 Discussion Thread

Summoners! We've just posted a list of Adjustments coming to Alliance Wars Season 3. Check out the post here. You've probably got questions, so ask away!

Remember, Season 3 starts on July 11th!

UPDATE: Summoners,

As many of you have reported, we are currently experiencing some unexpected hardware and software issues. This is causing many of you to experience limited access to the game, as well as sub par performance in game.

While we continue to investigate the issues and identify solutions, we will be delaying the start of Alliance Wars Season 3.

At this time, we do not have a timeline for when we will be launching Season 3, but want to ensure that we have time to work to resolve any interactions that are causing problems on iOS devices before starting the next competitive season.

We apologize for the delay, and appreciate your patience. We will update you all as soon as we have more information on these issues.

Comments

Brainimpacter

Tmm1224 wrote: »

Due to removing Diversity will we be getting full rank down tickets since a lot of champs have been ranked for just that?

Mike already stated no to tickets, take take take but no giving back as usual.

Archit_Tandon498

Oh great, now we are never gonna get rank down tickets.

Kabam can always say that hey we changed this cause it wasn't giving us enough money so eff you that you ranked this champ and he isn't useful anymore but hey we aren't gonna give you and RDTs since we might revert these changes in a decade or two so be patient and keep giving us money.

Zuko_ILC

Archit_Tandon498 wrote: »

Oh great, now we are never gonna get rank down tickets.

Kabam can always say that hey we changed this cause it wasn't giving us enough money so eff you that you ranked this champ and he isn't useful anymore but hey we aren't gonna give you and RDTs since we might revert these changes in a decade or two so be patient and keep giving us money.

The meta has changed.....

JimmyTemps

Wow we are getting kabamed again. Just come out and say we didn't make as much money as we planned. So we are screwing up the format along with that adding more miniboss to make you spend more. Don't forget about all the needless rank ups we got you to do for diversity and all the resources we made you waste on them. Way to screw your players once again. Thanks for giving it to us once again with no ****. The old kabam special.

DukeZman

CeresCPH wrote: »

8 weeks season + 2 weeks break = 10 weeks

4 weeks season + 2 weeks break + 4 weeks season + 2 weeks break = 12 weeks.

But the rewards are the same. So basically you nerfed the rewards (when considering rewards over time) and at the same time made AW harder.

Care to explain, @Kabam Miike?

Bro last season there was a 4-week break. This time there's 2 and going forward there will be 2. So it's not any shorter.

8 week season + 4 week break + 8 week seasons +2 week break = 22 weeks
4 week season +2 week break + 4 week season + 2 week break + 4 week season + 2 week break + 4 week season = 22 weeks.

Unless I'm missing something, it'll balance out to be the same. You just get season rewards payed out at more frequent intervals: every month instead of every 2 months.

Werewrym

In Kabams mind, alliances don't need to hit 100% exploration. However, in actuality, AW is so competitive it just means we have to spend more to win. Great solution.

XtremeMachine

It is clear, kabam has no idea what to do with war so they just said F it, let them bring their strongest defenders, let them fail as the money comes pouring in.
You create more problems than you fix, you know that right?
Instead of a leveled playing field that diversity provided, you just doomed everyone to Ironman:Infinity War hell! You can bet your ass allys will be putting all the ones they have on all those new minibosses nodes.
AW is already seen as a chore and not worth the effort, just like AQ, these are not fun events. You've taken the fun out of the game and I can see why the "B" word is being thrown around today. 2* wars for everyone!!! Lol

Ch1efster

Look how this took the attention away from other issues that people were bringing up. Seems like when they get overrun by one issue, they bring up another to take the attention away. Wonder whats next?

Usmcclt0316

0chris999999999 wrote: »

I am really struggling with trying to be positive, @Kabam Miike . I still like the idea I had of tiering item use based on difficulty, or better yet, eliminating them altogether.

You can not continue to change the meta of the game w/o offering the player base ways to adjust (RDT). Expecting folks to have to adjust by spending/grinding while major changes are applied are hurting this game.

I suggest for some type of third party intervention, like a seat on the board (many companies do this as part of restructuring), that basically injects empathy to the devs.

Actions taken are callous and insensitive; and you are not coming to the negotiating table. We need an independent arbitor because some people are addicted and therefore, need someone to intervene on said behalf. Especially when it’s a possibility that children play, you need to be responsible and IMHO tread softly lest you incur government intervention (I.e. Battlefront 2). The Star Wars IP is precious to the community and why such an uproar, Marvel is also a precious IP to us; don’t think you won’t get same attention. I just ask for some empathy, you wouldn’t want to be a player in this multiverse

I honestly don't think any of the devs or "support agents" actually play the game. Video game addiction is a real case-studied disease. These changes have a clear intent to further grab more cash from those who are already trapped in their addiction to this game. I for one will never spend another penny on this game. I will remain FTP...i don't care if I lose a war or complete a map. However, I feel a lot of empathy for those that feel compelled to waste their money on the game that actually offers a product of no value. No one is representing them.

Neowantsyou

Kabam just do whatever tf they want to do, removing diversity when we clearly ranked champs so we could have a more diverse team. I seriously think, it's time to put Kabam in its rightful place. Enough of this bs, kabam have cemented their place as a money hungry company who only cares about money, and not their player base. This will cost you heavy. It's time we all join together, and teach this company a lesson. Oh, and you can delete my post if you want. I'll just post it again. You cannot silence us. You delete our comments not because we break the rules, but because we are right. You are guilty.

Captain_Hero

If the the intent was never to achieve 100% Exploration...why does it factor in to winning the war?

Tmm1224

Seems like we are getting screwed over. I am ok with making some changes “Some” but when you come up with diversity and have everyone ranking useless champs then take it away, you should at least make that part of it right! Do something positive that helps

Kpatrix

What about SYNERGY ! When is this going to be addressed ? I'm really not happy with the flip flopping on diversity, this was working fine, wars were working fine for those who played by the TOS. Nothing worse than advising someone to rank up a spidergwen to help with diversity only to find out the next day it's being eliminated.

As far as 100% completion goes, everyone shoots for that win or lose for the points towards season standings anyway. Now it's just going to cost more to maintain position and there is a net loss in rewards due to downtime between seasons.

You guys should focus on fixing the things that aren't working or buffing more champs instead of what you're doing now.

Pddp1369

@Kabam Miike I’m sure everyone is going to wonder the answer to this question. But can we get a look at what the rewards will be for the season rankings for alliance war?

Absimiliard

So I feel everyone should just place 2* on defense, 100% every map, and not spend anything on potions? Seems like a reasonable protest to the upcoming changes. Especially since I know a lot of guys out there ranked up a lot of pitiful champs to maintain diversity, myself included. Kabam is tone deaf in their approach and I haven't even got to check out the MD changes. I dread seeing what they are. I think it's time to go FTP, maybe even solo.

DNA3000

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

If the rewards are halved, but there's now an extra 2 weeks between the seasons, this would actually net less rewards over the same length of time

If Kabam made the season longer instead of shorter, you wouldn't be giving them credit for handing out more rewards.

Gamer

Im ryl one to get rank Down ticket rank so many champ op for devisty Not im never gone use Them @Kabam Miike why is it it always du thah is it becasse of the money u get of it get out of thah. bs.

Jokepool

I rank up some champs just thinking about defense diversity in AW. They ware not my first choice but because some members of my ally had stonger good champs,because of diversity I rank diferent champs than the one they have
Rank down tickets are needed to make some justice here,in order for us to rank up the true good champs up and the more mediocre down

Jokepool83

Keonex

If you want to make it more difficult to 100% complete, why not remove items and methods of payment?

You bring 5 champs instead and there is no reviving/pots allowed. This would highlight true skill.

Also, add prove yourself to mini bosses.

loganbub

will they ever fix the defensive synergies?

Jlemos818

My dog ate my wallet can't spend $ on units anymore.. Sorry kabam diversity was a good way of mixing it up deciding strategically on champion placement now war maps will be boring same champs over and over....:(

Captain_Kandice

Increasing difficulty shouldn’t even be a thing until you can fix all the issues in game, especially the issues with unresponsive controls. You actually have a node that profits even more on failed blocks and dash backs. Degen when you lose your combo? That’s a new low, even by your standards Kabam.

Zuko_ILC

Absimiliard wrote: »

So I feel everyone should just place 2* on defense, 100% every map, and not spend anything on potions? Seems like a reasonable protest to the upcoming changes. Especially since I know a lot of guys out there ranked up a lot of pitiful champs to maintain diversity, myself included. Kabam is tone deaf in their approach and I haven't even got to check out the MD changes. I dread seeing what they are. I think it's time to go FTP, maybe even solo.

I laughed at first but then thought this actually isn't a bad idea.

DNA3000

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Riegel wrote: »

I don’t see any solve for the 2* problem?

Actually, this does have a solution to it baked in. While we're also going to be making sure this is something we continue to monitor for, and act on, 2-Star Wars only became effective towards the end of a Season when there was no need to worry about moving up or down. This is no longer the case, because there is no time when you are "safe" anymore.

I'm sorry, but say what? The point to colluding with your opponent to place trivial defenses is that both sides maximize their points in that war while spending no potions. This doesn't just increase points and save potions, the act of saving those potions also potentially makes them stronger in any way they fight where there is no collusion and the fight is an actual competitive fight.

I'm not sure precisely what you're thinking here, but whatever it is, it is wrong. Collusion always benefits both alliances colluding provided both agree which alliance would have won. At higher tiers where there are fewer alliances, there are more obvious mismatches, more certainty about who has the higher probability of winning, and greater benefits to collusion. This has nothing to do with what point during the season you are in. If collusion was actually legal, it would be beneficial to do this throughout the entire season whenever the opportunity arose.

Raganator

DNA3000 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Riegel wrote: »

I don’t see any solve for the 2* problem?

Actually, this does have a solution to it baked in. While we're also going to be making sure this is something we continue to monitor for, and act on, 2-Star Wars only became effective towards the end of a Season when there was no need to worry about moving up or down. This is no longer the case, because there is no time when you are "safe" anymore.

I'm sorry, but say what? The point to colluding with your opponent to place trivial defenses is that both sides maximize their points in that war while spending no potions. This doesn't just increase points and save potions, the act of saving those potions also potentially makes them stronger in any way they fight where there is no collusion and the fight is an actual competitive fight.

I'm not sure precisely what you're thinking here, but whatever it is, it is wrong. Collusion always benefits both alliances colluding provided both agree which alliance would have won. At higher tiers where there are fewer alliances, there are more obvious mismatches, more certainty about who has the higher probability of winning, and greater benefits to collusion. This has nothing to do with what point during the season you are in. If collusion was actually legal, it would be beneficial to do this throughout the entire season whenever the opportunity arose.

He's right you know.

Kabam Miike

DNA3000 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Riegel wrote: »

I don’t see any solve for the 2* problem?

Actually, this does have a solution to it baked in. While we're also going to be making sure this is something we continue to monitor for, and act on, 2-Star Wars only became effective towards the end of a Season when there was no need to worry about moving up or down. This is no longer the case, because there is no time when you are "safe" anymore.

I'm sorry, but say what? The point to colluding with your opponent to place trivial defenses is that both sides maximize their points in that war while spending no potions. This doesn't just increase points and save potions, the act of saving those potions also potentially makes them stronger in any way they fight where there is no collusion and the fight is an actual competitive fight.

I'm not sure precisely what you're thinking here, but whatever it is, it is wrong. Collusion always benefits both alliances colluding provided both agree which alliance would have won. At higher tiers where there are fewer alliances, there are more obvious mismatches, more certainty about who has the higher probability of winning, and greater benefits to collusion. This has nothing to do with what point during the season you are in. If collusion was actually legal, it would be beneficial to do this throughout the entire season whenever the opportunity arose.

I definitely see where you're coming from, and agree with basically all of it. However, from what we saw, the bonus from actually Winning Alliance Wars, especially in the beginning of the Season, can make a huge difference for progression and standings on the Leaderboards, and 2-Star Wars saw a resurgence towards the end of the Season.

But like I said, we've also made our stance clear on that, and will be monitoring for, and taking action against Alliances that partake in this kind of behaviour.

Markjv81

Stop calling them seasons, a new season would imply that everyone starts on a level playing field and where you finished last season or what you did during the off season would have no effect on a new season but we all know that's no the case with AW.

Sn1pes130

Kabam Miike wrote: »

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

Remember when map 6 of AQ wasn’t intended to be run more than once or twice a week, and never intended to be run 5x’s? That’s what this “rare instance” of 100% a map feels like

Adamdrt2006

I am going to have to agree with dave on this

https://youtu.be/Mxq-H1VJ1Uw

DNA3000

Kabam Miike wrote: »

I don't recall saying that, but please let me know if I did. We always said that Diversity was meant as a tie breaker, and that it should always be a trade off between getting the diversity points, or trying to limit your Opponent's progression with a better suited Defender for that Node.

Please stop saying it, because defender diversity is not a tie breaker, does not function as a tie breaker, and cannot possibly function as a tie breaker.

The term "tie breaker" refers to something in a game that, when there is a tie, serves to declare a winner rather than having the opponents tied. By definition, tie breakers do not do anything UNLESS there is a tie. Calling defender diversity a tie breaker is like calling field goals a tie breaker in American football.

Some people like defender diversity because it is another way to score points besides fighting the map. Some people don't like defender diversity because it is another way to score points besides fighting the map. But continuing to call it a tie breaker makes a lot of people on both sides think Kabam doesn't even understand how their own alliance war scoring system works.

People did not rank up defenders to break ties. They ranked up defenders to score points. I personally am not in favor of giving RDTs for alliance war scoring rules changes. But at least I understand *why* the players that do feel that way. They did not spend rank up materials on tie breakers. They spent rank up materials on point scoring champions, no different than spending rank up materials on Blade because he scores points, or Medusa because she scores points, or Iceman because he scores points.