@Kabam Miike no responses at all? The negative criticism of these moves easily should have been anticipated, so surely in order to have decided to move forward, the team had to have some "rationale". Why did Kabam decide to do this? Please don't give the excuse of making maps impossible to 100% - the exploration rewards are scaled so the farther you get, the better rewards. Of course high end groups are going to push/pay to 100%.
Yalls motives are for money obviously, so let me put it this way to you. You have no idea how much money you will lose if you dont issue rank down tickets. You haveno idea howmany 1*ratings this game will recieve. You have no ideahow many people will quit this game. I understand you have to make money, but making the player base angry and doing something like this that completely ruins our game is not the way to do it. We used our hard earned resources to rank up champions for this system of gameplay and then you suddenly remove it. So what if it comes back in the future? If it isnt permanent nobody wants to rank up champions for it. We can just use what we have instead of ranking up others for specific purposes in diversity. In asking you as a player and customer, please give out rank down tickets. Even if you just give out two tickets for five stars and two for four stars, it will help the status of the game.
I support the evolution of the contest. However, these changes hurt your most loyal players, and further undermine the competitive integrity of the game we all enjoy. If Kabam wishes to restructure the entire approach to AW, that's perfectly reasonable, but find ways to allow your players to adapt so they can continue to enjoy their roster and the game. Moreover, you must find a way to maintain some semblance of competitive integrity, so that skill plays at least some part in season rankings. If these changes make it as hard as you claim to complete the AW map, then attacker bonus (at least somewhat skill driven) can be overwhelmed by another team simply spending their way through near-impossible nodes (IMIW with Counter Tactics).
Like many, I would suggest two key strategies: 1. Rank down tickets to allow players to redeploy their elite rank up materials (largely acquired through static content and thus irreplaceable) to adapt to the newly created meta. 2. Significantly reduce (or even eliminate) the cost of AW potions so that AW seasons are not decided exclusively by which alliances can spend the most.
Finally, please avoid these kinds of messes in the future by actively piloting proposals like this in an Open Beta, so that Kabam and the community can study together how a change like this is going to affect all of us.
Summoners! We've just posted a list of Adjustments coming to Alliance Wars Season 3. Check out the post here. You've probably got questions, so ask away!
Remember, Season 3 starts on July 11th!
Great job of responding to people after saying ask away! Your customer support is truly legendary in all the wrong ways
Why are the mods editing people’s posts? Sensorship much? When you make changes like this you are open to people’s feelings on the product, especially those that have a financial investment in the product.
and what about awakening gems for us that awakened champs used strictly for war?
You can still use those Champions on Defense if you please, and might want to use them again in the future. This was a choice based on the Meta of the game at the time. The Meta will always change, and what might be a great Champion on Defense now, might not be in a few weeks, or a month, and then could end up as the top defender again in another 4 months.
There will be no Rank Down Tickets, or anything of the like, for this Change.
EDIT: For Clarity
This is a sad post. If the meta can change at any point we would never know how to use the limited resources we have. A change in meta of this magnitude should have rank down tickets. This is a classic case of moving the goalposts. You see the goal, even if the shot is on target if you move the goalposts too far you'll not score. Unfair.
Please do a youtube live on mcoc official channel bi-weekly and respond to the questions asked by your community, that way you can maintain the transparency and we will know what to expect in the future.
When we all come together and demand to treated fairly, and like the dedicated community that we are. We are not all big spenders, we are not all free to play. We do all want to do our best and have some in game success. All anyone is asking to have a game where spending is not the deciding factor in all decisions made by Kabam. We just want to continue to be able to really care about this game that has made us care this much to begin with. It’s becoming harder to justify the actions taken by Kabam and I know I’m certainly at a point where all I want is to be able to enjoy this game again without worrying about what is coming next and what kind of outrage it will cause.
I suggested a while ago to offer a solo mode that is also seasonal. You can choose either Alliance Mode or Solo Mode...there will be a solo version of AQ and AW that allows us to get similar rewards but not have to rely on being in an alliance. I think that will solve a lot of problems.
People need to chill on the rdts. They aren’t going to solve this by themselves. Rdts don’t give back awakening gems or sig stones and if they are like the ones we got last time, we won’t get gold. So those rdts will end up costing you even more.
People need to chill on the rdts. They aren’t going to solve this by themselves. Rdts don’t give back awakening gems or sig stones and if they are like the ones we got last time, we won’t get gold. So those rdts will end up costing you even more.
and what about awakening gems for us that awakened champs used strictly for war?
You can still use those Champions on Defense if you please, and might want to use them again in the future. This was a choice based on the Meta of the game at the time. The Meta will always change, and what might be a great Champion on Defense now, might not be in a few weeks, or a month, and then could end up as the top defender again in another 4 months.
There will be no Rank Down Tickets, or anything of the like, for this Change.
EDIT: For Clarity
This is a sad post. If the meta can change at any point we would never know how to use the limited resources we have. A change in meta of this magnitude should have rank down tickets. This is a classic case of moving the goalposts. You see the goal, even if the shot is on target if you move the goalposts too far you'll not score. Unfair.
The meta is always changing. But how it changes is important to take note of. If you rank up Juggernaut because you think he's a good defender and then Kabam adds Blade to the game, the meta has changed: Juggernaut's value as a defender has dropped. But you don't have the right to demand compensation for that change because the developers didn't subtract value from the game, they added value elsewhere. Game developers have to be allowed to do that, and they can't compensate every player every time they add value to the game that alters the value calculations of everything else. Juggernaut did not get worse in absolute terms, Juggernaut because relatively worse because something else became relatively better. You simply have to deal with that. In a game that changes constantly, the future will be different than today. Decisions you make today won't have the same value tomorrow. That's what you sign up for when you play a game like this.
But removing defender diversity points isn't altering the meta of the game by adding value elsewhere. It is directly reducing, or flat out eliminating, the value of many champions on defense. Because of the way diversity points are calculated, which defenders have become valueless is different for every player and every alliance, which obfuscates things, but for each individual player in each individual alliance, some champions now have no value on defense that had value previously. That's a different kind of change. It is fundamentally no different than if Kabam changed the rules of AW to say that some champions were no longer going to be allowed to be placed on defense at all. The value of those champions as defenders has been reduced to zero by fiat. That's very problematic in my eyes.
I hate diversity points. I think they were a kludge, they create problems, and they avoid having to deal with the real systemic problems of alliance war defense. What I hated the most when they were first introduced was the fact that they added arbitrary value to defenders for no gameplay reason: for a given alliance there were now a set of defenders that, if they placed them, simply automatically gave them points just for being there, no matter what actually happened during the war. To me, that was asking for trouble. Well, trouble has arrived. Those same arbitrary points that people were getting for placing them, which arbitrarily prompted those players to rank up those champions, were the only things giving those rank up decisions value. By eliminating diversity points, Kabam has now arbitrarily destroyed the value of those rank ups, and in effect destroyed the value of the resources used in those rank ups. That should never happen in a properly managed game.
Trying to keep this constructive??? How ???? If kabam wants do to what they want to do without trying to listen our disgust.
My honest opinion. Considering what they’re doing, this response is more than reasonable and we would be totally justified in being way more outspoken on here.
So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?
The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.
what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?
100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.
This is a bold faced lie! Until you limit the amount of potions and revives that can be used, Maps will consistently be cleared 100%, which, you already know and would have put in place if Kabam truly wanted to limit the amount of map clears. This is the most obvious money grab you guys have done in... let's see, when was the last "special" you guys offered in the unit store?...
It’s becoming evident that this company is not trustworthy.
Haven't trusted them since 12.0. I have approached the game in a manner that regardless of what you do, Kabam can take it away the next day.
I stopped trusting them when they removed item caps. To me that was the worst thing they’ve ever done, full stop. There’s no way it could even remotely be about making the game better. It was just about making people spend more.
We are asking for the wrong solution from Kabam
I don't know about you guys but I would much rather keep Diversity around instead of getting rank down tickets. I would love to rank down some champions I ranked up just for defense but I would much rather not have to fight IWIM, Medusa, Domino, Dormamu, 10x each war.
With these changes in AW, where diversity no longer matters, we players had to raise champions that we would not normally win (because we had to have diversity) from 4* to R5 and 5* to R3, and now with that change many players need the CC4 to raise champions that we need, it would be good to have at least 2 tickets to lower (1 of 4* and 1 of 5*).
And in this change, AW's spending will be very high for us players, because on the map now we will only have (Spiderman, Nightcrawler, Magik, Mephisto, Dormammu, MODOK, Mordo and especially now Iron Man Infinite War), besides that will have more sub-boss now.
We are asking for the wrong solution from Kabam
I don't know about you guys but I would much rather keep Diversity around instead of getting rank down tickets. I would love to rank down some champions I ranked up just for defense but I would much rather not have to fight IWIM, Medusa, Domino, Dormamu, 10x each war.
Bro spenders have and will have those ready and ranked up no matter what
How about then instead of rank down tickets we get:
Depending in rating:
400k+ rating
1 feature 6 star crystal
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
3 t4cc
3 t4b
300+
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
2 t4cc
2 t4b
Below 200k
1 feature 5 star crystal
1 t4cc
1 t4b
1 four star awakening gem crystal
This is fair or gives us the 5 rank down tickets for 5 stars champs
That's not a solution. Kabam is trying too hard to create a PAY TO WIN aw environment. It's not just about diversity. It's about how much you'll spend in the future aw.
How about then instead of rank down tickets we get:
Depending in rating:
400k+ rating
1 feature 6 star crystal
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
3 t4cc
3 t4b
300+
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
2 t4cc
2 t4b
Below 200k
1 feature 5 star crystal
1 t4cc
1 t4b
1 four star awakening gem crystal
This is fair or gives us the 5 rank down tickets for 5 stars champs
Unfortunately I didn’t thoroughly read through @DNA3000 bit on the RDTs in recent posts...but working under the scenario that they hand out RDT/have some sale...considering kabam pulled this recent stunt, what makes you think they wouldn’t go back to diversity once everyone adjusts their roster to accommodate the same handful of champs? Something to consider...
How about then instead of rank down tickets we get:
Depending in rating:
400k+ rating
1 feature 6 star crystal
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
3 t4cc
3 t4b
300+
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
2 t4cc
2 t4b
Below 200k
1 feature 5 star crystal
1 t4cc
1 t4b
1 four star awakening gem crystal
This is fair or gives us the 5 rank down tickets for 5 stars champs
That's not a solution. Kabam is trying too hard to create a PAY TO WIN aw environment. It's not just about diversity. It's about how much you'll spend in the future aw.
It is not a solution, but nothing is. The fact is that we need some compensation because this is just not fair
This is ridiculous and huge slap in the face to the community! While tall sit back and "monitor" wars to again make drastic unrealistic changes whaled are still going to buy wins! 100% maps will still happen. You did nothing but screw over those that were forced to diversify their roster with weak useless champs that are now irrelevant. This is not in the best interest of the players or the game.
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Yalls motives are for money obviously, so let me put it this way to you. You have no idea how much money you will lose if you dont issue rank down tickets. You haveno idea howmany 1*ratings this game will recieve. You have no ideahow many people will quit this game. I understand you have to make money, but making the player base angry and doing something like this that completely ruins our game is not the way to do it. We used our hard earned resources to rank up champions for this system of gameplay and then you suddenly remove it. So what if it comes back in the future? If it isnt permanent nobody wants to rank up champions for it. We can just use what we have instead of ranking up others for specific purposes in diversity. In asking you as a player and customer, please give out rank down tickets. Even if you just give out two tickets for five stars and two for four stars, it will help the status of the game.
Like many, I would suggest two key strategies: 1. Rank down tickets to allow players to redeploy their elite rank up materials (largely acquired through static content and thus irreplaceable) to adapt to the newly created meta. 2. Significantly reduce (or even eliminate) the cost of AW potions so that AW seasons are not decided exclusively by which alliances can spend the most.
Finally, please avoid these kinds of messes in the future by actively piloting proposals like this in an Open Beta, so that Kabam and the community can study together how a change like this is going to affect all of us.
Great job of responding to people after saying ask away! Your customer support is truly legendary in all the wrong ways
This is a sad post. If the meta can change at any point we would never know how to use the limited resources we have. A change in meta of this magnitude should have rank down tickets. This is a classic case of moving the goalposts. You see the goal, even if the shot is on target if you move the goalposts too far you'll not score. Unfair.
Please do a youtube live on mcoc official channel bi-weekly and respond to the questions asked by your community, that way you can maintain the transparency and we will know what to expect in the future.
Change on a scale of 1 (worst) to 10 (great):
Community expectation: 5
Kabam: We are making a 1!
After backlash from community...
Kabam: Ok we are making a 3 because we listen to you!
Community is happy with a 3.
How about you chill???
The meta is always changing. But how it changes is important to take note of. If you rank up Juggernaut because you think he's a good defender and then Kabam adds Blade to the game, the meta has changed: Juggernaut's value as a defender has dropped. But you don't have the right to demand compensation for that change because the developers didn't subtract value from the game, they added value elsewhere. Game developers have to be allowed to do that, and they can't compensate every player every time they add value to the game that alters the value calculations of everything else. Juggernaut did not get worse in absolute terms, Juggernaut because relatively worse because something else became relatively better. You simply have to deal with that. In a game that changes constantly, the future will be different than today. Decisions you make today won't have the same value tomorrow. That's what you sign up for when you play a game like this.
But removing defender diversity points isn't altering the meta of the game by adding value elsewhere. It is directly reducing, or flat out eliminating, the value of many champions on defense. Because of the way diversity points are calculated, which defenders have become valueless is different for every player and every alliance, which obfuscates things, but for each individual player in each individual alliance, some champions now have no value on defense that had value previously. That's a different kind of change. It is fundamentally no different than if Kabam changed the rules of AW to say that some champions were no longer going to be allowed to be placed on defense at all. The value of those champions as defenders has been reduced to zero by fiat. That's very problematic in my eyes.
I hate diversity points. I think they were a kludge, they create problems, and they avoid having to deal with the real systemic problems of alliance war defense. What I hated the most when they were first introduced was the fact that they added arbitrary value to defenders for no gameplay reason: for a given alliance there were now a set of defenders that, if they placed them, simply automatically gave them points just for being there, no matter what actually happened during the war. To me, that was asking for trouble. Well, trouble has arrived. Those same arbitrary points that people were getting for placing them, which arbitrarily prompted those players to rank up those champions, were the only things giving those rank up decisions value. By eliminating diversity points, Kabam has now arbitrarily destroyed the value of those rank ups, and in effect destroyed the value of the resources used in those rank ups. That should never happen in a properly managed game.
My honest opinion. Considering what they’re doing, this response is more than reasonable and we would be totally justified in being way more outspoken on here.
Haven't trusted them since 12.0. I have approached the game in a manner that regardless of what you do, Kabam can take it away the next day.
Depending in rating:
400k+ rating
1 feature 6 star crystal
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
3 t4cc
3 t4b
300+
1 fearure 5 star crystal
1 random awekening gem
2 t4cc
2 t4b
Below 200k
1 feature 5 star crystal
1 t4cc
1 t4b
1 four star awakening gem crystal
This is a bold faced lie! Until you limit the amount of potions and revives that can be used, Maps will consistently be cleared 100%, which, you already know and would have put in place if Kabam truly wanted to limit the amount of map clears. This is the most obvious money grab you guys have done in... let's see, when was the last "special" you guys offered in the unit store?...
I stopped trusting them when they removed item caps. To me that was the worst thing they’ve ever done, full stop. There’s no way it could even remotely be about making the game better. It was just about making people spend more.
This is fair or gives us the 5 rank down tickets for 5 stars champs
I don't know about you guys but I would much rather keep Diversity around instead of getting rank down tickets. I would love to rank down some champions I ranked up just for defense but I would much rather not have to fight IWIM, Medusa, Domino, Dormamu, 10x each war.
And in this change, AW's spending will be very high for us players, because on the map now we will only have (Spiderman, Nightcrawler, Magik, Mephisto, Dormammu, MODOK, Mordo and especially now Iron Man Infinite War), besides that will have more sub-boss now.
Bro spenders have and will have those ready and ranked up no matter what
That's not a solution. Kabam is trying too hard to create a PAY TO WIN aw environment. It's not just about diversity. It's about how much you'll spend in the future aw.
Unfortunately I didn’t thoroughly read through @DNA3000 bit on the RDTs in recent posts...but working under the scenario that they hand out RDT/have some sale...considering kabam pulled this recent stunt, what makes you think they wouldn’t go back to diversity once everyone adjusts their roster to accommodate the same handful of champs? Something to consider...
It is not a solution, but nothing is. The fact is that we need some compensation because this is just not fair