Wasps passive stun ability

Was reading Wasp’s abilities and it talks about an ability to passively stun with using heavy attack charge. Does that mean she will be able to stun an opponent on a debuff immune node like the top right miniboss node in AW? It’s a passive ability not a debuff right? Looking for clarification...

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V1PER1987

I think passive is meant to imply that champs like AV, CB, and KP can’t shrug off/convert it.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

I think so ... At least it would make sense based on her abilities

Kabam Miike

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

Absimiliard

Haha. Don't want that whole Archangel debacle to rear its ugly head again, do you?

Hulksmasshh

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

DrBruceWayne

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

I would say so yeah

Appleisgod

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

Makes no sense

Absimiliard

I think it's the reason people were mad about Archangel. Kabam really needs to work on the conflicting rules they've established. I assume Wasp will good on some LOL, monthly quests, and AW nodes, but will be severely limited when facing down an AW boss or occasional uncollected monthly quest boss.

Icecold2099

That's going to be annoying since the AI always chains heavy attacks if you're blocking.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Appleisgod wrote: »

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

Makes no sense

It makes sense. Debuff immunity = immune to debuffs. Wasp stun is not a debuff.
Whoever, stun immunity is another thing. It gives immunity to both passive stun and stun debuff

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Icecold2099 wrote: »

That's going to be annoying since the AI always chains heavy attacks if you're blocking.

That depends if her ability works when she hits the enemy while he is blocking.

Vale84

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

No, we discovered yet another trash mechanic you decided to implement.

Literally, wasp is the combination of ALL the bs and bugs we had in the last 10 months incarnated in a champion.
At every future question about that broken mechanics we hate the most in Mcoc, instead of typing we'll be just able to post her Bio.

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Rockypantherx

I don’t suppose you could post the full list of wasps abilities, if you’ve got them of course. And yeh it sounds interesting but could screw a lot of people over

Stat

will-o-wisp wrote: »

Appleisgod wrote: »

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

Makes no sense

It makes sense. Debuff immunity = immune to debuffs. Wasp stun is not a debuff.
Whoever, stun immunity is another thing. It gives immunity to both passive stun and stun debuff

In what world is stun not a debuff? Even though it's passive, it's still a debuff. Iceman's coldsnap is passive, it still doesn't work on debuff immune nodes.

Vale84

My_Superior wrote: »

Lighten up buddy. We haven’t even got to play with her yet.

LEt's say i had a preview in the first rift i did today. You ain't gonna like it.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Stat wrote: »

will-o-wisp wrote: »

Appleisgod wrote: »

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

Makes no sense

It makes sense. Debuff immunity = immune to debuffs. Wasp stun is not a debuff.
Whoever, stun immunity is another thing. It gives immunity to both passive stun and stun debuff

In what world is stun not a debuff? Even though it's passive, it's still a debuff. Iceman's coldsnap is passive, it still doesn't work on debuff immune nodes.

Until now, stun was a debuff. Wasp stun is a passive. And "passive debuffs" don't exist...
And coldsnap is a debuff and doesn'twork on debuff immune nodes.

V1PER1987

These abilities are starting to get dangerous and pushing boundaries in a bad way. It seems to me if you wanted to implement something like that, you could make the first attack against her miss when she’s charging her heavy, kind of like Taskmaster.

PureRage13

Vale84 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

No, we discovered yet another trash mechanic you decided to implement.

Literally, wasp is the combination of ALL the bs and bugs we had in the last 10 months incarnated in a champion.
At every future question about that broken mechanics we hate the most in Mcoc, instead of typing we'll be just able to post her Bio.

This is spot on. I like the corporate spin of it being that "you can work a heavy into your combo." I've been doing that already. What this really means is that any time you're fighting Wasp she can stun you at will by triggering a heavy without touching you. Maybe at lower levels this is acceptable but at uncollected speed this will be complete BS. It's like the mesmerize node but worse because you have no way to play around it (like stun/3 combo) and the AI can trigger it at will instead of randomly based on percentage chance.

This will turn out just as broken as Domino and IMIW.

Mana_Pot

Don't worry about it. In a few months this will suddenly become a "bug" (cuz wasp, heh) and they'll "fix" it. After everyone has made rank up decisions based on it of course.

gohard123

Is the stun affected by limber?

Icecold2099

Vale84 wrote: »

My_Superior wrote: »

Lighten up buddy. We haven’t even got to play with her yet.

LEt's say i had a preview in the first rift i did today. You ain't gonna like it.

Yippee...lol

I'm not surprised. I understand that they want to make the game more difficult, but if they think adding ridiculous abilities to champs is the way, they're mistaken.

But I'll wait until i meet her in the battle realm for the first time to make any final judgements for myself. I'm just speculating right now that is gonna be BS...lol

V1PER1987

Vale84 wrote: »

My_Superior wrote: »

Lighten up buddy. We haven’t even got to play with her yet.

LEt's say i had a preview in the first rift i did today. You ain't gonna like it.

Yeah but were you using an appropriate champ? I feel like AA or most other ability accuracy reducing champs shouldn’t have much trouble.

Epsilon3

So… this is basically Evade before the patch and Archangel?

Hmm… Drax was “fixed” right after IMIW was introduced as well with the same medium effect of “ignoring evade”

Coincidence? Probably not

Fingfangfoomfanes

We will see later when the new monthly quest comes out. If wasp’s stun is like mesmerize, expect a barrage of outcries from players.

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Karuseus

So what, now you need mordo, the hood, and civil panther?

Vale84

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Vale84 wrote: »

My_Superior wrote: »

Lighten up buddy. We haven’t even got to play with her yet.

LEt's say i had a preview in the first rift i did today. You ain't gonna like it.

Yeah but were you using an appropriate champ? I feel like AA or most other ability accuracy reducing champs shouldn’t have much trouble.

Not everyone has the right counter, and you alwais have to consider the inviroinment around the champ. Wasp was made with the same purpose of IMIW being further spending in War. And with the new nodes in master brackets and the way the character play it's gonna be way worse then even IMIW.
The whole mechanic of "evade + unavoidable stun + unavoidable dmg (a lot) by shock + 3 hits heavy of which 2 will be granted critical hits by ability means that you're pretty much dead in 2 evades without any chanche of actually countering with skills.

Add that you won't alwais be able to locate her on the map, that the new mini nodes are hilarious, and the ill will of purposedly make content undoable and you got your perfect mix of ****.

Another thing is the stun on debuff immune: does it ring a bell? It was removed from AA in the worst professional way and now we know why, cause it had to be a unique feature of a new released champ which still havent monetized.

Finally, Wasp looks absolutely underwelming in every istance but War defense. Meaning, factually, that the moment the meta gets shifted again she'll be as useful as a used pamper. Another way to devaluate progression and literally let you waste resources without them keeping any "value", no matter how much you spend. Which in a game is absolutely trash.

ShadPrince

Stat wrote: »

will-o-wisp wrote: »

Appleisgod wrote: »

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

You've discovered something that makes Wasp very special! Wasp has a short duration Passive Stun as part of her Combo that does not interact with Debuff Immunity, or other Champion's abilities, like Shrugging it off or Converting it. But what's really cool is the reason that it exists. Historically, going into a heavy attack from a Combo is not a smart move, but with this short Stun, you can use it to string into a Heavy from your Combo!

Keep in mind, Stun Immunity will still affect this, and prevent you from being able to Stun your enemy!

So Wasp can heavy-stun debuff immunity nodes but she cannot heavy-stun stun immunity nodes? Just want to make sure that is right.

Makes no sense

It makes sense. Debuff immunity = immune to debuffs. Wasp stun is not a debuff.
Whoever, stun immunity is another thing. It gives immunity to both passive stun and stun debuff

In what world is stun not a debuff? Even though it's passive, it's still a debuff. Iceman's coldsnap is passive, it still doesn't work on debuff immune nodes.

Iceman’s coldsnap is an active debuff, it’s his frostbite charges that are passive and they work on debuff immune champs. Same thing for YJ’s power sting, it’s passive and it works.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

It all depends if her ability works or not when she hits in to the enemy's block. If not, then she ain't going to be anything too BS on defense