Parry OP

I kinda feel like parry is op as it is. And not really dynamic from a spectator's standpoint
My brother let me know that when he watched over my shoulder.
I know, it's about playing yourself, but even then, a more dynamic, more difficult parry would enhance that as well.

So here's my take:
Make it so that parry just pushes the enemy back and prevents him from attacking for the same time he got stunned before. He can still dash and block, maybe his dexterity and stuff like that is lower. Chip damage through his block could be increased as well, as he's barely holding it together. His dash could be not as far and more like a stumble/roll back.
Now for the (parry) counter, I'd add the mechanic that if you parry and mirror the attack of your opponent on the right side of the screen at the same time you punch him once and hit him back like you would with a heavy attack, dealing similar damage
Parry should work neither on specials nor ranged attacks, just regular melee
Also a clash mechanic would be nice: If you and your enemy do the same attack and hit each other with it at the same time, you would clash. Now, in my mind it wouldn't slo mo or open up anything. Instead it would differentiate between clashing attack types.
If it's a light clash, you would just cross arms or legs or arms and legs for the frames of a regular attack (new animation) and both could attack instantly with no drawbacks
For a medium clash (swipe clash), it would push both characters back and give both parties the same drawbacks as they would if they were parried

Now that's not it. In an earlier thread, I already suggested adding a combo meter which would make comboing even more fun and rewarding and would be visualized by two vertical orange bars on the left side of the screen
Also, there are two orange buttons you can tap to use the combo meter either offensively or defensively.
The offensive one is on the upper left side of the screen right under your character's avi and the defensive one on the upper right side of the screen, right under your enemy's avi
On a sidenote, I'd change special meter to be three green bars no matter which special is active, just so it's cleaner from a design standpoint

So, to get to the meat of it, the combo meter consists of say 200 points you can fill up by doing all kinds of different stuff
Every hit in a combo over 5 fills it up by 10 combo points
Every hit in a combo over 15 fills it up by 20 points
Every hit in a combo over 50 fills it up by 50 points
Every hit in a combo over 100 fills it up by [ib100 points[/b], so you can use the first combo meter move every hit now aka God mode
Parrying fills it up by 10 combo points
A parry counter by 20
But the combo meter can also rapidly decrease if you lose the edge and control in a fight
For example, it can decrease if you simply don't fill it up for more than two seconds (apathy)- every additional second drains it by 10 points per second
Also, regular blocking (if you can't pull off a parry) drains it by 10 points per blocked medium hit, 5 for every blocked light hit, 20 for a blocked special hit
Getting hit can majorly screw your meter, as every unblocked light strike takes 20 combo points from you, every medium takes 50 from you and specials as well as guard breaks drain it completely
Clashes don't hurt or help it. Just watch out after a light clash to react quickly and don't get thrown off by the unusual clashing animation.

Now for the combo meter utility
You can use it in two ways defensively and in two ways offensively
With your first bar of 100 points you can do one of two things
d) instant counter: hold orange button (like green button for special 1) on the right side (defensive combo button) while tapping block at the time you would parry (the time frame is more generous). This breaks the guard of your enemy and prevents him from dashing and attacking for a very short 0.5 seconds (without the stun animation). So now you can tap, tap, swipe instantly for an open unblockable combo (maybe it just stuns your opponent for the same amount parry does right now and you can just take your time to do a combo if it's too hard to do animate more fluidly without causing bugs)
Also works on melee specials, not ranged ones tho
If you use this on ranged specials with two or more projectiles, it stops the special after the first projectile if you counter it- but no drawbacks or debuffs on enemy
o) combo ender: hold orange button on the left side (offensive combo button) at the same time you hit an enemy and let go after you've performed your character specific combo ender consisting of up to three strikes/shots
Depending on your character you have access to different types of combo enders
There are ranged (projectiles with a short one or two step range) combo enders for ranged characters, quick (two or even three punch) combo enders for fast martial artsy characters, but also effect laden combo enders (higher 50% chance of triggering a status effect change and/or debuff) for magic or telekinetic characters and finally hard hitting (single swipe) combo enders for bruisers like Hulk (it might be a smack to the ground which might have a small 20% chance of stunning your enemy)
Characters may or may not have two combo enders from which they can choose by doing the required input (ie Hulk could have combo ender+swipe for the ground smack & combo ender+tap, swipe for something else)

With your full meter of 200 points you can do more game changing stuff
d) combo breaker: tap orange button while being stuck in an enemy combo to break out of it and throw your opponent back (deals no damage to him) but stuns him for 2 seconds
o) combo chainer/finisher: again, hold the left side orange button while you hit your enemy (can be the first or last hit of a combo) and then, with most characters, swipe up while still holding down that orange button to perform a character specific combo finisher with chaining potential
Spider-Man would be an exception to the swipe up rule as you would swipe right and swipe towards yourself (back/left) on the right side of the screen (I would also put fastest possible guard break to that command without holding orange button while still maintaining the held down channeling of guard break) to perform this combo ender which triggers a move where Spidey kicks his opponent away from him and then pulls him towards him with a web string. Now you can chain an unblockable light strike started combo to that move and originally the other combo (some heavier combo chainers might stun your enemy, so you can even chain a medium based combo)
If all that is too hard to animate, make it so that you just tap orange button after a hit for an additional strike that stuns the enemy and thus enables you to get another free combo

Thanks for reading, feel free to leave feedback...

Comments

Knoby

Josh2Play wrote: »

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zCqhPn7SLok

Dunno about you guys, but i would go crazy if i saw the analyzer parrying entire supers from Punisher 2099 like this.

That would be awesome, I agree. I'd like your parry a lot. Taking no damage and hitstun, and maybe cancelling enemy block and evade for half a second if it's a melee parry. That's what I'm talking about.

Knoby

Kromestone wrote: »

Excuse me, not every one is skilled enough to get a counter in, in 0.3 secs, if they implement this then mcoc is done, so don't even think about it.. And you say this isn't a nerf.....

Maybe raise it to 0.5 secs then. Cause 2 seconds or whatever it is maxed out is pretty damn long and looks ridiculous.

But it's been stated that enemies reduce the stun duration later in the game, so I'm willing to take that at face value. In that case, don't reduce the stun.
But if enemies are still standing around head banging while I'm licking all my fingers in anticipation to still give them a free combo after that, that is not a game I wanna play. And there's no way around that. I'm sure some people feel like me.
You gotta compromise between casuals who just want to collect and basically play a perverted super frustrating version of Marvel pokemon and more skilled ambitious players who actually want to fight and have fun while collecting characters.
Especially since it's easy to practice getting faster with inputs. Not so easy to practice getting bored less by a game. Major improvement in your input quickness should be noticeable only after a few matches (you'll be grinding anyway). But only if it's requested. If nobody forces you to get better, you won't. Cause why would you? So how can you say you can't react that quickly? Cause you will be able to do it real quick. Just don't expect it to work first try. And then it'll be like it's now for you, only that you can actually drop the counter if you are late night grinding and getting sleepy.

I get that it's a mobile game, but don't you guys want a little more manual challenge from a game? A fighter at that? Console versions are competitive. Mobile should at least be somewhat challenging (talking gameplay, not strategy).

Knoby

I don't want to stop playing this game, that's why I'm fighting for change right here. But if everyone is fine with it as is, have fun but I'm out. Wasted enough time on this pretty and fun but not really satisfying game, and especially this forum the last few days. I'm probably gonna fail this exam in two weeks

Speedbump

Cool, awesome! Plz quit

Knoby

Speedbump wrote: »

Cool, awesome! Plz quit

Necessary answer. There's a thing called ignoring people. I didn't need your input. Flag me while you're at it will ya?

Speedbump

Sure why not LOL

Knoby

Yeah, just what I thought lol

Knoby

At least you guys made it easier for me to quit playing this game. Cause it's pretty addicting cause of Marvel ip
But in the end, it's kinda pointless spending two thousand hours to collect two Pokémon with five moves and two abilities.

This forum is pretty pointless too if you can't criticize or advocate to change the game in the slightest without receiving major backlash among a few good enlightening answers
Can't blame the devs, as they didn't instigate- just the abundance of fanboys who feel like flooding the threads without having anything to add but a cheap joke or a one line criticism with no substance.

I know I look like the crazy one going out of this, and I probably am to an extent, but I'm not your enemy here, let that be clear.

Now I'm done ranting and done with this Contest of Champions. I'm sorry for everyone who may have liked my ideas. But there were too few and far in between. Good thing I didn't choose to go study game design as I seem to suck at it. Thanks for making that clear to me

thanks for everyone who was nice, I appreciate it. I'm really going through some **** right now, so it felt good to be treated like everyone treats me irl, with respect. Doesn't seem to be the norm on the internet though. Not a place for me. I'm too sensitive, I guess. At least right now.

Oh, and mods? Can you please delete my account on this forum and probably game if you can. Can't find any way to do so myself. Don't take my criticism to personally. I got triggered by forum answers mostly. Thanks. And to everyone playing it still, it's a great game to cool down with, but don't put too much time in it, you'll regret it. There are far better games out, especially on console. I can understand if you can't afford one. Still, watch as to not play more than half an hour or an hour a day. And don't spend money on it if you can't really afford it. I hate mobile games like this cause they exploit people with addiction problems and other struggles and who really love the ip. Especially kids! Go read a comic book after playing, it will saturate your Marvel need and be way more fun and rewarding, even satisfying in the long run. You'll learn more too, other than swiping and tapping. But I'm sure you were doing just fine on that end anyway. Take care and have fun! I hope I didn't seriously offend the wrong people. You too, Speedbump. You caught me at the wrong time.

I know this wasn't needed by anyone in any way, but I needed it just to settle my karma and it's my thread. Also it's game related, so I feel like it has its place still. Even if it has little to do with the thread title lol

Knoby

I'm a good nice guy actually, just not my brightest hours.

Speedbump

I'm not mad, I was playing with you. But yes it does seem that you need to move on in the MCoC world. Time to go see the sun and whats under it. Take care and best wishes IRL! take care bye bye

Spirit

words.....words.....words....words......PARRY IS TOO OP........words.....words......words.
This is probably how your comments looked. Just as a request please keep it short and direct, makes it much easier for a lot of us.

And as such I feel the suggestion is not right since parry is an offensive technique that is very useful. There are many places where there are un-stunnable nodes and so parry is useless, thats where parry is countered.

Also I feel it not a good idea to mix Combo meter with this helpful mastery

Knoby

Thanks for the kind words. I wish I could cruise around, would be nice to get out of this state. But I need some cash for that and right now I'm studying and have a weak student job two days of the week. Still keeping student loans in mind. You're right tho, I'm picking it up full time again, taking it more serious, not thinking about what could've happened if I had studied game design.
This game wasn't helping with that right now.
Maybe if I'm settled, finished studying and stuff, I can come back and maybe the game is better or, at least, more appealing to a console fighter guy like me then. Failing and rising again is the message superheroes stand for, after all. I feel like the game could use some more of that energy.
Hopefully it's fairer and less time consuming to get strong and your fav characters in the future too. Cause I can see mobile games changing as they rise to the top. If they want that, at least. It can always remain niche exploiting a few people, but to get really big they eventually have to realize they can't screw their players like that. Console players won't take that.

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Tmasters1984

You'll also be sorry when Knobys "Competition of Defenders" is a worldwide smash hit

Yagami9999

You probably need more than what you're playing now.

At your level, parry is OP but in the higher levels of the game where enemy have nodes with Limber and others, you can't rely on parry. THEN you will miss whatever OP'ness you have while you're buying that revive and potion to heal

While Collector laughs at you

Rotmgmoddy

This was really difficult to read, just because of the sheer length of the actual post. If the post only had the first 3 paragraphs, that's long but fine, but you then add another 3 more paragraphs that are very long, and in the end, you have made a post that is so long that it actually deters people to read the entire thing due to its wordiness, especially when you are trying to prove an unpopular opinion of "parry being op". You should have added a tl;dr at the end.

Because of this, I'll only comment on the main point of the post of parry being too op. It isn't, especially against certain champions (with certain masteries), or certain nodes.

For example, parry doesn't work well against champs like Mordo or BPCW as they can turn the stun against you. Parry also doesn't work well against Groot or Rogue if they have a high level or maxed limber, as your parry would be too short for you to even throw in a hit.

Parry's effectiveness is also heavily reduced when you are fighting certain nodes, such as stun immune, immunity and limber (after parrying a couple of times), since most of parry's effectiveness comes from being able to stun the opponent with well-timed blocks.

Furthermore, it takes quite a decent amount of time to time your block properly. Too early and you will take the normal block damage, and too late and you will end up receiving a lot of damage from the opponent's combo. It rewards you for being able to time your blocks well, hence it is well balanced.

Long reply right? This is when tl;dr is useful:

TL;DR: Parry is not OP as it can be countered by specific champions, masteries and nodes. It also takes skill to land a parry and rewards you for doing so.

Crazybaca2323

Let's just stop post like this kabam has taken enough from us as the players, no need for more nerfing, concepts not sure how people come up with stuff like this!

JayT1996

Cmon dude , dont ruin this for everyone .. Horrible idea.

Crazybaca2323

Every time I see a post in this forum like this it just makes me look back and think, why the hell would you even ask for something like this!

Tmasters1984

They should nerf willpower. It's too strong.

Also, nerf WW2 Cap so his perfect block synergy can't be used to breeze through Rol.

Fel_95

you want kabam to nerf Parry again like 12.0?
because these posts is the right way to do it

Tmasters1984

They should nerf everything except for my champs.

TheSOURA

I think doing opponent parry stun is a technique. So parrying is a skill. It is not auto happen. It is to b earned.

CrusherOfDreams

Yes, we should nerf Parry. It's way too OP. A special ability that prevents the enemy from moving? Come on, that's way too good. I think we should just get rid of Stun altogether. I mean, why not? Certain champs having certain abilities that exist only to make opponents worse? So unfair. This is true of all debuffs. Why even have them? They're so negative. So degrading. It's bad enough that we have buffs. Why should people become better than one another? It's just not okay. No buffs, either. And, speaking of people being better than one another, what about class advantages? Those aren't good, either. It just isn't fair to give people advantages. Hey, the same is true for Synergies! We should toss those out, too! And everyone should get nerfed. No one should be any better than each other. No masteries either. You never know what mastery setup someone will have, so it's too unpredictable. Let's just make it a tapping game. No strategy and no advantages. That would make it so much better, right?

Parry, along with all the things listed above, is another aspect that makes this tap-and-swipe game entertaining. If it weren't for those aspects, the gameplay would be so far from explosive that is might literally implode on itself from boredom. Removing these types of abilities would bore players, and it pushes Kabam down a dangerous path.

Spirit

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Yes, we should nerf Parry. It's way too OP. A special ability that prevents the enemy from moving? Come on, that's way too good. I think we should just get rid of Stun altogether. I mean, why not? Certain champs having certain abilities that exist only to make opponents worse? So unfair. This is true of all debuffs. Why even have them? They're so negative. So degrading. It's bad enough that we have buffs. Why should people become better than one another? It's just not okay. No buffs, either. And, speaking of people being better than one another, what about class advantages? Those aren't good, either. It just isn't fair to give people advantages. Hey, the same is true for Synergies! We should toss those out, too! And everyone should get nerfed. No one should be any better than each other. No masteries either. You never know what mastery setup someone will have, so it's too unpredictable. Let's just make it a tapping game. No strategy and no advantages. That would make it so much better, right?

Parry, along with all the things listed above, is another aspect that makes this tap-and-swipe game entertaining. If it weren't for those aspects, the gameplay would be so far from explosive that is might literally implode on itself from boredom. Removing these types of abilities would bore players, and it pushes Kabam down a dangerous path.

God your starting of the comment is sooo misleading, for a moment I thought u were serious!

CrusherOfDreams

Spirit wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Yes, we should nerf Parry. It's way too OP. A special ability that prevents the enemy from moving? Come on, that's way too good. I think we should just get rid of Stun altogether. I mean, why not? Certain champs having certain abilities that exist only to make opponents worse? So unfair. This is true of all debuffs. Why even have them? They're so negative. So degrading. It's bad enough that we have buffs. Why should people become better than one another? It's just not okay. No buffs, either. And, speaking of people being better than one another, what about class advantages? Those aren't good, either. It just isn't fair to give people advantages. Hey, the same is true for Synergies! We should toss those out, too! And everyone should get nerfed. No one should be any better than each other. No masteries either. You never know what mastery setup someone will have, so it's too unpredictable. Let's just make it a tapping game. No strategy and no advantages. That would make it so much better, right?

Parry, along with all the things listed above, is another aspect that makes this tap-and-swipe game entertaining. If it weren't for those aspects, the gameplay would be so far from explosive that is might literally implode on itself from boredom. Removing these types of abilities would bore players, and it pushes Kabam down a dangerous path.

God your starting of the comment is sooo misleading, for a moment I thought u were serious!

That was the point lol. I slowly walked down the road that showed how ridiculous this idea is.

Knoby

Lol guys I already realized how stupid it is, please forgive me man.

I was in a very strange spot and thinking too complicated. I just couldn't stand the animation of stun. I'm used to it now. First time using a forum and not in a stable situation is a mean cocktail.

Hope my struggle could make some of you guys chuckle. Judging by the numbers I sure could. In the future I'm keeping it shorter and more streamlined. Sorry for any inconveniece and sorry for my criticism, Kabam squad! I really like your game, I just think it could be nicer to players. I just have no clue how to make that happen, so I'll just shut up.

Maybe I'll try screwing around with kits for new champs cause I really like stuff like that.

Knoby

Maybe we get this to a thousand views! I'm so sorry for making you guys read this **** lol

Maybe someone can relate to the frustration. Reading your replies, I also feel the need to make clear that I never wanted to make this game more frustrating. I just wanted something, can't remember what now lol

Knoby

Sometimes I feel like a nutcase smh

Knoby

Title is making me roll too. So subtle for what's to follow lol