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So I'm fighting magik, no biggie, I know she got that limbo so I'm playing fairly safe. Not trying to activate her limbo. But there's no way on beating her with skill along. I had to pause the game in order to take a screenshot. I'm 33 hits in and she is basically destroying me with limbo. Completely throws out the window the a players skill on this game. Now I know that there are a few champs that can counter her but I don't have any of them. I rely on my skills as a player. What can you guys suggest me to do or How to play around her? Am I doomed? Do I need to pull out my wallet? I know that's exactly what kabam wants. There has not been talks regarding her limbo. This is crazy, completely shuts down my love for this game...

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GroundedWisdom

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

beaupoem

@GroundedWisdom i feel like you're being too sensitive and seeing an attack where there is none. i've been playing 4 months and haven't met any Magik in war, tier 1 or otherwise. so obviously, my opinion about whether or not limbo should be nerfed/changed isn't as insightful as someone who has experience dealing with it.

GroundedWisdom

beaupoem wrote: »

@GroundedWisdom i feel like you're being too sensitive and seeing an attack where there is none. i've been playing 4 months and haven't met any Magik in war, tier 1 or otherwise. so obviously, my opinion about whether or not limbo should be nerfed/changed isn't as insightful as someone who has experience dealing with it.

This is not the first time someone has tried to discredit my view based on that fact. It's a constant issue. No one can speak for what I have and have not fought in the game. For that matter, anyone has a right to express a view, and they're all equally as valid. Some people don't like that fact, but that's how it is in a free discussion. If someone doesn't agree with what someone says, they are perfectly capable of presenting an argument and a case using their own facts, and it does not require people to put others on the spot and try to exploit their views. I'm not sensitive to it at all. I'm calling it as it is. If someone attacks where someone is at in the game, that is exactly what it is. If they debate on what someone is saying, that's entirely different.

Vdh2008

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

GroundedWisdom

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

DReckoning

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

GroundedWisdom

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

DReckoning

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

You're right that people aren't required to qualify for these discussions. Anyone can join in. Even the people who don't even know what marvel contest of champions is. But like i said. You and even they can have their opinions. Nobody is and should take that away from you. It's just that they aren't equal to say someone who's actually been playing the game since launch and has done most of everything the game has to offer. Don't kid yourself lol.

Justice_Evo_8

I read a few of the posts and all i keep seeing is complaining. When I see a magik boss in aw, I see a guaranteed easy boss kill. I can solo her every time. If she is on a regular node, fix your masteries and never take her into her l1 unless she is stunned. Always start baiting out her special as soon as she gets 1 bar or you can take a power drain/control champ. I take my magik (power control champ) and my Vision (power drain champ). I have beat magik with iceman, Thor, wolverine, DD, dr strange, sw, and the list goes on and on. If you learn how to fight her effectively then posts like this wouldn't exist.

The worst champ to go against in aw is dorm. Come to one of my wars (2500+ war rating) and take a shot at a R4 5* duped dormamu and see how long you last lol. Magik is nothing compared to him.

Justice_Evo_8

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

CoquiFongo wrote: »

Another Limbo post surprise surprise. Give it a rest spammers.

This forum is for people to discuss the game, and yes that includes complaints. And when these complaints are just ignored by kabam it makes people want to post them more because they're being ignored. You disagreeing with or being annoyed by the posts won't stop them, only kabam making a proper response to it will.

You think people complain now? Wait to see how many people complain if they nerf her Limbo. She's in most Wars. Not to mention the word nerf comes up everyday.

The last thing we need is more Champ changes. There are going to be some Champs that are harder than others. They take preparation and skill. Go in with what you need and work with your Ally for AQ and AW. Not everyone has to solo a Boss or Mini-Boss. That's why it's an "Alliance" Event. If we know she comes up, we can go in with the right Champs to deal with her, and be prepared to take Damage from time to time. Not every Fight will be over one try, no harm done. It's a game. If they removed every challenge, no one would want to play.

I'm not saying she should have a huge nerf, it should be more of a balancing in regards to how fair her abilities are to our wallets. There is no skill to taking huge chunks of damage. Her abilities shouldn't need to be changed back into what she was before her limbo buff, it just needs to be changed so it's a good defensive ability, but it is avoidable with skill. The top defenders can all be beaten by skill, Hyperion and mordo you need to bait, NC you need to switch him, Spidey needs patience. But magik with rank five MD doesn't involve skill, it involves hitting her until limbo overcomes you.

I'm not advocating removing every challenge and you saying I am is twisting my words (does that make me a victim?), any so called challenge that doesn't require skill to beat and only requires opening your wallet is not a good challenge. Yes there are a few champs that can beat magik easy but by kabams own words, that's separating the haves and the have nots. Which was their reasoning behind the nerfs of witch strange etc.

I'm wondering what tier of AW you are in? Because I mean, if you were in tier 20 fighting 2* magiks then your opinion doesn't hold as much power as some others. Personally I've been in tier 1/2 back and forth for about 4 months, in the last month I stepped back a bit for personal reasons, and over the next month i won't be playing due to travel. But after that I'm back in tier 1 and 2 fighting rank 4 5* magiks. So I know how irritating it is. Do you?

The first paragraph was to you. The following one was a general statement. I'm quite aware of how frustrating Magik's unavoidable Damage is. That doesn't mean I'm advocating changing it. Champs like Magik, Iceman, NC, Yondu, Nebula, Quake....they present a challenge. That gives us something to grow from. As I said, no one would want to play the game for long if there was nothing that presented some sort of challenge. It would be boring. For that matter, the only reason the Limbo is scaled that high is because it's higher Tier. It's supposed to be a challenge at that level. We can't expect to have Top Rewards without some form of difficulty, and we can't expect to win every Fight without the possibility of taking Damage or being KO'd now and then.

But what Aw tier are you in? Because that will give me and others a good idea of how much experience you have with difficult magiks. And then it will help our conversation further. Magik and iceman don't present challenges. They present damage that is unavoidable. There's a difference between a challenge that is Nightcrawler who is bloody difficult to fight but can be beaten and iceman and magik who just damage you by doing nothing. Why does it matter what you directed at me and what you said as general talk? I was responding to both anyway.

@GroundedWisdom's response was spot on. It really doesn't matter what tier you're in for this discussion. Magik is magik. Use some glory for potions and heal up after you fight a magik or iceman. Simple solution. Iceman is a piss easy fight lol.

GroundedWisdom

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

You're right that people aren't required to qualify for these discussions. Anyone can join in. Even the people who don't even know what marvel contest of champions is. But like i said. You and even they can have their opinions. Nobody is and should take that away from you. It's just that they aren't equal to say someone who's actually been playing the game since launch and has done most of everything the game has to offer. Don't kid yourself lol.

Every opinion is equal. The question of where someone is at in the game has nothing to do with my comment. I said these Champs present a challenge, and I understand how unavoidable Damage is frustrating, but if we didn't have challenges, the game would be boring. I said the higher you go, the more Damage you can incur, and that's the reason Limbo is scaled so high. Finally, I said that the Top Tiers are supposed to be hard for some people because they are the top. None of that statement warrants questioning where I'm at in the game. What you're saying is everyone has the right to express their opinion, but it's only as valid as their position in the game. That's a contradiction. Their opinion is valid. Every opinion is equally valid in a discussion. Opinions are not the same as experience. Anyone can have an understanding on the game regardless of where they are at, and if someone is choosing to focus on the person's status rather than the validity of their points, it's a small-minded view that will inevitably lead to missing some real information. A human being does not equal their Rank. Neither does their knowledge or understanding on it. I'm going to leave the conversation because this has turned into something that the topic is not about. I've stated my opinions. If people want to question where I'm at because they don't like them, that's up to them.

DReckoning

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

You're right that people aren't required to qualify for these discussions. Anyone can join in. Even the people who don't even know what marvel contest of champions is. But like i said. You and even they can have their opinions. Nobody is and should take that away from you. It's just that they aren't equal to say someone who's actually been playing the game since launch and has done most of everything the game has to offer. Don't kid yourself lol.

Every opinion is equal. The question of where someone is at in the game has nothing to do with my comment. I said these Champs present a challenge, and I understand how unavoidable Damage is frustrating, but if we didn't have challenges, the game would be boring. I said the higher you go, the more Damage you can incur, and that's the reason Limbo is scaled so high. Finally, I said that the Top Tiers are supposed to be hard for some people because they are the top. None of that statement warrants questioning where I'm at in the game. What you're saying is everyone has the right to express their opinion, but it's only as valid as theor position in the game. That's a contradiction. Their opinion is valid. Every opinion is equally valid in a discussion. Opinions are not the same as experience. Anyone can have an understanding on the game regardless of where they are at, and if someone is choosing to focus on the person's status rather than the validity of their points, it's a small-minded view that will inevitably lead to missing some real information. A human being does not equal their Rank. Neither does their knowledge or understanding on it. I'm going to leave the conversation because this has turned into something that the topic is not about. I've stated my opinions. If people want to question where I'm at because they don't like them, that's up to them.

Except a human being does equal rank lol. This whole game even revolves around ranks, brackets etc. AQ brackets? AW war ratings? Arena ranks? All opinions being equal is just wishful thinking lol.

Anyways that being said I don't want Magik to get nerfed

xtremegamer

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

You're right that people aren't required to qualify for these discussions. Anyone can join in. Even the people who don't even know what marvel contest of champions is. But like i said. You and even they can have their opinions. Nobody is and should take that away from you. It's just that they aren't equal to say someone who's actually been playing the game since launch and has done most of everything the game has to offer. Don't kid yourself lol.

Every opinion is equal. The question of where someone is at in the game has nothing to do with my comment. I said these Champs present a challenge, and I understand how unavoidable Damage is frustrating, but if we didn't have challenges, the game would be boring. I said the higher you go, the more Damage you can incur, and that's the reason Limbo is scaled so high. Finally, I said that the Top Tiers are supposed to be hard for some people because they are the top. None of that statement warrants questioning where I'm at in the game. What you're saying is everyone has the right to express their opinion, but it's only as valid as their position in the game. That's a contradiction. Their opinion is valid. Every opinion is equally valid in a discussion. Opinions are not the same as experience. Anyone can have an understanding on the game regardless of where they are at, and if someone is choosing to focus on the person's status rather than the validity of their points, it's a small-minded view that will inevitably lead to missing some real information. A human being does not equal their Rank. Neither does their knowledge or understanding on it. I'm going to leave the conversation because this has turned into something that the topic is not about. I've stated my opinions. If people want to question where I'm at because they don't like them, that's up to them.

challenge is other thing and frustration is another
you havent experienced her in tier 1 fight and I have, today I fought 5star r4 magik with md5 on 200% power gain node and ended up using 2 team revives.
and there is no balance in aw defence this time every war we know there will be magik or dormammu will be on boss node its boring now things should be change.

Sirnoob

What the hell did I just read
Seriously can someone summarize all the essays in this thread?

Sirnoob

Ok so read thru a few of them someone correct me if I'm wrong but is the purpose of this thread for the op to find tips on beating magik?

kunal_rules01

Lol people who just started playing are talking too much on the forum creating more spam!

MEŦAPħҰS

Please make another thread to argue about this. This has gone so far off topic and in no way helps the OP

Cheyneed

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

Forgive me for jumping in thinking logically here, but if everyone's opinion is equally valid then aren't the opinions that are disagreeing with you, by your own admission, valid? That's the problem with trying to hide behind a buffer like that. You are either discredited because you affirm the validity of other's posts about you and their right to do so, or you dismiss them and become a hypocrite. I wonder which one you will choose? ****mind blown ****

To the OP, Magik is a very difficult champ. Power lock champs, champs with energy resistance (except Ultron, thanks Kabam), high regen champs, and even some power gain champs work the best against her. You can also adjust your masteries to give you a bit of an edge if she is a consistent problem. Also, in t1 AW you have to be really careful about triggering MD with dexterity. Probably the best champ against Magik funny enough, is Magik. Hope this helps.

GroundedWisdom

Cheyneed wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Vdh2008 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

Sorry, but you're not in the right here. It certainly DOES matter where you're "at" in the game because that informs you're opinion. Or should.

If you haven't faced a T1 Magik boss, your opinion is not as valid as someone who has. That's just common sense. It doesnt mean you can't have an opinion, it just means yours isn't as valid when the discussion moves that way.

You are welcome to comment and give advice, but make the caveat statement that you don't know what it's like at the top tires do people who are looking for that type of opinion can safely ignore yours.

I expressed my opinion. People agree, people disagree. That's fine. What's not acceptable is devaluing that opinion based on where they are. I didn't give advice. What you're saying is, someone's opinion is welcomed, but people have the right to devalue it by demanding to know what they have and have not fought. That's a contradiction. I didn't state where I was and was not in the game. That's the point. That's not the topic. The topic is about the effect of Limbo. Sorry, people don't have the right to take a dump on someone's opinion by demanding they validate it with Rank. That's not a respectable conversation.

Ok simple question. Not insulting anyone here.
Theres someone from MMXIV or CØRE talking to someone who started playing the game yesterday. They are having a conversation about act 5 and the difficulties faced. Does the person who started yesterday have a valid opinion on act 5 when he hasn't played it? Just say yes or no please.

Every opinion is valid in an open discussion. That's just how it works. You may agree or disagree. That doesn't give you the right to demand that everyone validate their opinion. My statement was general. I did not question anyone's progress or skill. I did not direct it at anyone, or ask them to validate their views. I stated my opinion.

DReckoning wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

This is exactly the reason people can't have a discussion. It turns into an attack on where someone is at in the game. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. All it is, is an attempt to bully someone's opinion out of the conversation using an arbitrary fact like what Tier they're in. The conversation is not about what Tier someone is in. It's about Limbo. This is an open Forum. Anyone can engage in a conversation, and it's not required to be in a certain Tier, Level, or Rating. It means sweet #### all, other than the fact that people try to use it to judge others. If you can't have a conversation without resorting to behavior like that, then perhaps you want to look at the validity of your own points.

It's called finding out a person's credentials. You know like how real life works too. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is equal to another person's opinion.

That's not how it works in a Forum. People are not required to qualify for discussions. It's actually an ignorant point of view. Any opinion is valid, and people aren't screened based on progress. It's not how it works here. A discussion is not a job interview. People are not required to prove anything. The credential argument doesn't hold here. We have a discussion about Limbo, and an effort to discredit someone's opinion rather than a respectful debate.

Forgive me for jumping in thinking logically here, but if everyone's opinion is equally valid then aren't the opinions that are disagreeing with you, by your own admission, valid? That's the problem with trying to hide behind a buffer like that. You are either discredited because you affirm the validity of other's posts about you and their right to do so, or you dismiss them and become a hypocrite. I wonder which one you will choose? ****mind blown ****

To the OP, Magik is a very difficult champ. Power lock champs, champs with energy resistance (except Ultron, thanks Kabam), high regen champs, and even some power gain champs work the best against her. You can also adjust your masteries to give you a bit of an edge if she is a consistent problem. Also, in t1 AW you have to be really careful about triggering MD with dexterity. Probably the best champ against Magik funny enough, is Magik. Hope this helps.

I never said that people who disagree with me aren't valid. I said the topic had nothing to do with proving what Tier you're in. That was what was questioned. On the subject of nerfing Magik, I commented. Never said anyone didn't have the right to express their views. On the contrary. My validity was questioned when I in no way questioned the validity of others. You are adding conjecture and twisting my comments. What does it have to do with the topic? Nothing. If it were anyone else commenting, they would not be questioned as to where they are. That makes it personal. The only person whose views are challenged here are mine.
Therefore, the discussion about me will end. The topic is Limbo. I commented. Anyone else is free to offer their view. It just doesn't have to involve making the Thread about me.

Slux83

Kromestone wrote: »

Watch this video and with you dd's perfect block chance, you can beat the **** outer her

https://youtu.be/-fAqpD6cxRk

That's why I place magik on stun immune nodes

KoperBoy

Justice_Evo_8 wrote: »

I read a few of the posts and all i keep seeing is complaining. When I see a magik boss in aw, I see a guaranteed easy boss kill. I can solo her every time. If she is on a regular node, fix your masteries and never take her into her l1 unless she is stunned. Always start baiting out her special as soon as she gets 1 bar or you can take a power drain/control champ. I take my magik (power control champ) and my Vision (power drain champ). I have beat magik with iceman, Thor, wolverine, DD, dr strange, sw, and the list goes on and on. If you learn how to fight her effectively then posts like this wouldn't exist.

The worst champ to go against in aw is dorm. Come to one of my wars (2500+ war rating) and take a shot at a R4 5* duped dormamu and see how long you last lol. Magik is nothing compared to him.

When you say you beat her with Wolvie and Dr Strange, she probably wasn't on boss node right? If I understood correctly, you use only vision and magik if she is on a boss node.

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Maat1985

Archangel all day long...... he eats her for breakfast........ and dinner too........ always take my AA into wars he is my staple my #1 goto in all fights unless i suspect an immune champ... it does suck using AA but when i see mystic and expect to see majik and instead see UC.... lol.... he be dead.... lol....
different story however coming across her in arenas..... lost so many arena fights to her just cus limbo sucks...

also when archangels neurotoxin expires it still stuns even when opponent is on a stun immune node ie AW BOSS.......

World Eater

Maat1985 wrote: »

Archangel all day long......

also when archangels neurotoxin expires it still stuns even when opponent is on a stun immune node ie AW BOSS.......

Really? If that is really happening, I'm pretty sure it's a bug.

Kabam Spice

It seems that this thread has gotten way off topic. Locking this down now