Well, Adaptoid did one thing for the community...

Now you know how the poor AI feels most of the time when they play unfair human beings.

I wonder how many times AI has complained to Kabam about nerfing humans?

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BitterSteel

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GroundedWisdom wrote: »

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Dropfaith wrote: »

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Helicopter_dugdugdug wrote: »

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ZzyzxGuy wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Raganator wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Raganator wrote: »

The poll regarding nerfing adaptoid would suggest the community doesn't feel that strongly about adaptoid's difficulty.

Actually, the Poll proves that 24% of the community feels that strongly about it. I'd say that's a significant amount enough to be an indicator that there's something to it.
As for why we need to try and outnumber people who have a problem, or scoff at them, that would require much more research.

And yet you continue to bait. So what is the threshold for there "being something to it." And what does "something to it mean" - that a nerf should definitively happen? What percentage would that require? Does that not require much more research?

That's not bait. It's giving another view that's ignored. Blatantly ignored.
I'm not the one who decides when it should happen. Neither are we, so trying to overspeak people who do isn't going to stop the process. They take the feedback and examine the data. Feedback that is not only necessary for a nerf, but necessary for the process of creating future EQs.
As for your question, if one or two people, perhaps even 5 or 10, agree, you might find they're just not applying themselves. 60 people is enough to see there's most likely a real concern there.

Lol 60 people are cause for concern.

Well, yes. Even if you're operating out of the biased logic of trying to debunk every person's argument, it becomes intrinsically harder the more people with the same argument.

You should play easy and normal. May be one time run of Heroic. Rest of the difficulties are too advanced for you

Yeah that's right. I should play Beginner and Normal. Been around for 2 and a half years and doing Master every month for a good portion of that, but clearly I'm not skilled enough. I can haz skills?
Seriously, that response is condescending.

Micheal Jordan likely couldnt .make the NBA all star team this year..

It's not condescending its fact if you cant do it you cant do it

So if someone with a reasonable amount of experience with overcoming the challenges in an EQ has an issue with the amount the difficulty has increased, that just means they can't do it? Nothing to see here, then? Right. My point exactly.

Lol dismiss my point entirely. This monthly.isnt harder then thanos. Argueable hes level with guilly (although that was my favorite eq boss ever).
All I'm saying is just because you could do prior has zero bearing on current at all different champs new nodes.. that's called progression

That's where we disagree. I did Thanos and Guilly and this was harder. They were challenging, yes. Guilly more so. I don't think they were worse.

And that is exactly why the tips are relevant.. guilly with the right champs wasnt bad thanos same this same.

You bring the right team to the right fight..
I didnt have the same counters ranked for guilly as i do for this.

Bittersteel broke down a ton of options over 20 percent of the available champs. Likely.more he hasn't tried.. red skull for example can do.it.. easy heal blocks solid power control.

Hadn’t thought of red skull, haven’t used him yet so not very familiar.

DNA3000

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Raganator wrote: »

The poll regarding nerfing adaptoid would suggest the community doesn't feel that strongly about adaptoid's difficulty.

Actually, the Poll proves that 24% of the community feels that strongly about it. I'd say that's a significant amount enough to be an indicator that there's something to it.
As for why we need to try and outnumber people who have a problem, or scoff at them, that would require much more research.

You of all people should not take the position that forum polls are an indicator that there's a problem that should be addressed. And you tend not to, except when they swing in your favor.

The fact that a lot of players expressed the belief that the content was too hard for them indicates that the content was likely too hard for most of them. However, as it was intended to be too hard for many players, that feedback doesn't carry a lot of significant information, except that the content did what it was intended to do.

When Ice Phoenix first arrived there was a lot of feedback that the content was too hard. But that wasn't really interesting because Ice Phoenix was intended to be hard. The feedback that contained the useful information was that her cold snap was dealing more damage than the health of a large majority of champions that existed at the time, and *that* was clearly unintended. When cold snap damage was reduced, there was still a large number of players complaining that she was too hard, but as she was now exactly as too-hard as she was intended to be, those complaints when unheeded.

Now that I've played through uncollected once, to me it seems harder than last month (but last month was one of the easiest uncollected of recent months) but not the hardest. Maybe one of the harder, but not outside the range of what I expect in uncollected monthly content. The adaptoid in particular is highly analogous to RoL Wolverine. If you don't bring a champion that works, it is completely impossible. But if you do, it is just a matter of outlasing him and just like RoL Wolverine the Adaptoid doesn't have SP3, so power control is not even essential. If you can eliminate or outdamage the healing, you just have to not get hit by specials and not forget to wait out the unstoppable.

I'm not only basing my view on the Poll. I happen to believe it's overboard, and I've maintained that. I was pointing it out because the assertion was made that the community has no issue with it. That's not an accurate statement, and is blind to the fact that people do have an issue with it.

If 76% is not enough to assert that the community believes something, then 24% is not enough to assert the community believes something either. To the extent that "the community" has any opinion of anything, 76% consensus would be a very strong consensus, if the poll results were trustworthy. If they are not, then they can't be used to demonstrate anything.

I try to stay away from making such assessments based on a majority because it's not representative of everyone. That's the whole point. The community is not completely representative by a majority. All that equates to is, "76% think you're wrong. Nothing to see here.". While that seems logical, there's a great deal of feedback missed by dismissing people that way.

If you believe it is a fair characterization to state that the majority is dismissing the minority opinion, it is equally true that when you say things *must* be a problem because a minority of players claim it to be and because of your own personal opinion, you're dismissing the majority of players opinions. You can't have it both ways here.

No one's feedback is being "missed" because of disagreement, even if it is rude disagreement (which people shouldn't be). The posts are still here, and the devs are free to read them whenever they want. But while everyone has the right to express their opinion, no one has the right to have their opinions go unchallenged. If you are offended by challenge, this forum is not the place for you. It isn't a place for free unrestricted expression, it is explicitly stated to be a place for player discourse. Discourse explicitly includes me having the right to say someone else is wrong. I'm only required to be polite, I'm not required to be agreeable.

GroundedWisdom

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Raganator wrote: »

The poll regarding nerfing adaptoid would suggest the community doesn't feel that strongly about adaptoid's difficulty.

Actually, the Poll proves that 24% of the community feels that strongly about it. I'd say that's a significant amount enough to be an indicator that there's something to it.
As for why we need to try and outnumber people who have a problem, or scoff at them, that would require much more research.

You of all people should not take the position that forum polls are an indicator that there's a problem that should be addressed. And you tend not to, except when they swing in your favor.

The fact that a lot of players expressed the belief that the content was too hard for them indicates that the content was likely too hard for most of them. However, as it was intended to be too hard for many players, that feedback doesn't carry a lot of significant information, except that the content did what it was intended to do.

When Ice Phoenix first arrived there was a lot of feedback that the content was too hard. But that wasn't really interesting because Ice Phoenix was intended to be hard. The feedback that contained the useful information was that her cold snap was dealing more damage than the health of a large majority of champions that existed at the time, and *that* was clearly unintended. When cold snap damage was reduced, there was still a large number of players complaining that she was too hard, but as she was now exactly as too-hard as she was intended to be, those complaints when unheeded.

Now that I've played through uncollected once, to me it seems harder than last month (but last month was one of the easiest uncollected of recent months) but not the hardest. Maybe one of the harder, but not outside the range of what I expect in uncollected monthly content. The adaptoid in particular is highly analogous to RoL Wolverine. If you don't bring a champion that works, it is completely impossible. But if you do, it is just a matter of outlasing him and just like RoL Wolverine the Adaptoid doesn't have SP3, so power control is not even essential. If you can eliminate or outdamage the healing, you just have to not get hit by specials and not forget to wait out the unstoppable.

I'm not only basing my view on the Poll. I happen to believe it's overboard, and I've maintained that. I was pointing it out because the assertion was made that the community has no issue with it. That's not an accurate statement, and is blind to the fact that people do have an issue with it.

If 76% is not enough to assert that the community believes something, then 24% is not enough to assert the community believes something either. To the extent that "the community" has any opinion of anything, 76% consensus would be a very strong consensus, if the poll results were trustworthy. If they are not, then they can't be used to demonstrate anything.

I try to stay away from making such assessments based on a majority because it's not representative of everyone. That's the whole point. The community is not completely representative by a majority. All that equates to is, "76% think you're wrong. Nothing to see here.". While that seems logical, there's a great deal of feedback missed by dismissing people that way.

If you believe it is a fair characterization to state that the majority is dismissing the minority opinion, it is equally true that when you say things *must* be a problem because a minority of players claim it to be and because of your own personal opinion, you're dismissing the majority of players opinions. You can't have it both ways here.

No one's feedback is being "missed" because of disagreement, even if it is rude disagreement (which people shouldn't be). The posts are still here, and the devs are free to read them whenever they want. But while everyone has the right to express their opinion, no one has the right to have their opinions go unchallenged. If you are offended by challenge, this forum is not the place for you. It isn't a place for free unrestricted expression, it is explicitly stated to be a place for player discourse. Discourse explicitly includes me having the right to say someone else is wrong. I'm only required to be polite, I'm not required to be agreeable.

Nor am I required to agree with a majority, and if I feel I'm not being represented in Blanket Statements that imply the community is fine with it, I will speak up.

Nick_Caine_32

Ok mods, time to shut this down. Its going nowhere and yet another thread has been derailed by one person. Close it and let’s stop giving attention where it’s not needed or useful. Hopefully the players coming here will read the useful information and tips for these fights.

ZzyzxGuy

Nick_Caine_32 wrote: »

Ok mods, time to shut this down. Its going nowhere and yet another thread has been derailed by one person. Close it and let’s stop giving attention where it’s not needed or useful. Hopefully the players coming here will read the useful information and tips for these fights.

Or maybe use a little empathy and see what it feels like to be AI.

DrBruceWayne

Nick_Caine_32 wrote: »

Ok mods, time to shut this down. Its going nowhere and yet another thread has been derailed by one person. Close it and let’s stop giving attention where it’s not needed or useful. Hopefully the players coming here will read the useful information and tips for these fights.

How about we all make an agreement to put hin on Ignore and not reply to his comments/posts? Seems very fair to me, we want constructiveness in our discussions, not bait.

Nick_Caine_32

The_Unknown wrote: »

Nick_Caine_32 wrote: »

Ok mods, time to shut this down. Its going nowhere and yet another thread has been derailed by one person. Close it and let’s stop giving attention where it’s not needed or useful. Hopefully the players coming here will read the useful information and tips for these fights.

How about we all make an agreement to put hin on Ignore and not reply to his comments/posts? Seems very fair to me, we want constructiveness in our discussions, not bait.

@The_Unknown agreed and we will be all the better for it

Shaun01

The Adaptoid is WAY to amped up,,,, ,,,, If you go into it blind, power through with whatever team you decided to bring the first try OR do not have one of the 20+ counters that the community has so diligently researched, tested, and put together to make it easy for everyone.

Going in blind and using up a ton of items before actually checking to see if the community has came up with an answer, like they do 99.9% of the time, does not justify a crusade to change content. Being open to suggestions and listening to other more experienced players is and always has been the key to this game. Patience is a virtue.......

The More You Know****

Shaun01

In many ways this poll and it's results are a reflection of the state of affairs currently in the US. The Results are in and there's always one who "refuses" to recognize it. They campaign, they rally, and they stomp and kick yet none of this changes the facts. If someone refuses to acknowledge the facts that's on them. The refusal to acknowledge those facts does not in any way change those facts. We don't have to always like the outcome but accepting it is kind of what adults do.

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