Iron Man infinity war plasma bug on immune champs

kikobobkikobob Member Posts: 45 ★
in Bugs and Known Issues
IMIW sp3- 100% chance to instantly ignite and electrify the target inflicting a plasma passive that deals X damage over 6 seconds.
However using iceman (an incinerate immune champion) the plasma passive is still activated not just shock. If you look at archangels ability to apply a neurotoxin passive on his sp3 by applying a poison and a bleed; the neurotoxin does not apply if a character has immunity to poison/bleed and only applies the poison/bleed that the character is not immune to.

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  • TheSquish671TheSquish671 Member Posts: 2,880 ★★★★★
    Developer Note: Since Plasma is a Passive and Special 3 inflicts Plasma without requiring Incinerate or Shock Debuffs, it’s possible to start “juggling” Plasma on a Debuff-immune target by opening with a Special 3. The easier access to Plasma is offset by the much higher damage output of the Shock and Incinerate method. Consider Special 3 a backup strategy if you find it difficult to get Shock or Incinerate to stick.
    ^^From his champion spotlight. Not a bug.
  • TwmRTwmR Member Posts: 662 ★★★
    kikobob wrote: »
    IMIW sp3- 100% chance to instantly ignite and electrify the target inflicting a plasma passive that deals X damage over 6 seconds.
    However using iceman (an incinerate immune champion) the plasma passive is still activated not just shock. If you look at archangels ability to apply a neurotoxin passive on his sp3 by applying a poison and a bleed; the neurotoxin does not apply if a character has immunity to poison/bleed and only applies the poison/bleed that the character is not immune to.

    Archangel doesn't apply a neurotoxin on sp3 he applies a bleed and a poison which if the opponent is not immune can often lead to a neurotoxin. IMIW his special 3 states it causes a plasma
  • Samar_1092Samar_1092 Member Posts: 46 ★
    kabam really went out of their way to find loopholes in their own text to make imiw so damn op
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    Not really an OP mechanic though is it...
  • VimesVonlipVimesVonlip Member Posts: 177 ★★
    Mr_Platypus wrote: »
    Not really an OP mechanic though is it...

    Not that one thing but it's everything together. He's so broken.
    Unstunable regular initial attacks, check
    Passive armor ups that activate around Medusa's armor smash, check
    Unblock specials, check
    Power gain, check
    Damage over time debuffs (that are passive so they activate on heros that normally don't allow those debuffs), check

    It's some ridiculous nonsense
  • dparmdparm Member Posts: 109 ★
    TheSquish671 wrote: »
    Developer Note: Since Plasma is a Passive and Special 3 inflicts Plasma without requiring Incinerate or Shock Debuffs, it’s possible to start “juggling” Plasma on a Debuff-immune target by opening with a Special 3. The easier access to Plasma is offset by the much higher damage output of the Shock and Incinerate method. Consider Special 3 a backup strategy if you find it difficult to get Shock or Incinerate to stick.
    ^^From his champion spotlight. Not a bug.


    Ugh, so it's another one of these weird contradictory things they had to introduce in order to overcome conflicting abilities like AA reduction on AA reduction-immune champs. This kind of stuff drives me nuts because it is not well explained and not intuitive.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,013 ★★★★★
    dparm wrote: »
    TheSquish671 wrote: »
    Developer Note: Since Plasma is a Passive and Special 3 inflicts Plasma without requiring Incinerate or Shock Debuffs, it’s possible to start “juggling” Plasma on a Debuff-immune target by opening with a Special 3. The easier access to Plasma is offset by the much higher damage output of the Shock and Incinerate method. Consider Special 3 a backup strategy if you find it difficult to get Shock or Incinerate to stick.
    ^^From his champion spotlight. Not a bug.


    Ugh, so it's another one of these weird contradictory things they had to introduce in order to overcome conflicting abilities like AA reduction on AA reduction-immune champs. This kind of stuff drives me nuts because it is not well explained and not intuitive.

    No ... His sp3 simply puts a plasma passive on the enemy. Just that.
    It doesn't say anything about "apply an incinerate and shock debuffs" . Archangel also does not apply a neurotoxinon his special 3. He applies a bleed and a poison debuff, which in most cases they are combined to create a neurotoxin
  • kikobobkikobob Member Posts: 45 ★
    I posted IMIWs sp3 in my post. It says that he instantly ignites and electrifies target. Surely though a character who is incinerate immune cannot be ignited and so the passive should not be placed. AA sp3 inflicts posion and bleed so I dont see why they should be any different.
  • TheSquish671TheSquish671 Member Posts: 2,880 ★★★★★
    kikobob wrote: »
    I posted IMIWs sp3 in my post. It says that he instantly ignites and electrifies target. Surely though a character who is incinerate immune cannot be ignited and so the passive should not be placed. AA sp3 inflicts posion and bleed so I dont see why they should be any different.

    All it says is that it ignites and electrifies, not applies a shock and incinerate, so even though those are basically the same thing, by saying "ignites and electrifies the target", kabam is trying to say "instantly inflict a plasma", but since the only way to inflict plasma is by combining an incinerate and shock debuff, the "ignites and electrifies the target" is added for clarity only and is extra information.
  • TheSquish671TheSquish671 Member Posts: 2,880 ★★★★★
    VimesVonlip wrote: »
    Mr_Platypus wrote: »
    Not really an OP mechanic though is it...

    Not that one thing but it's everything together. He's so broken.
    Unstunable regular initial attacks, check
    Passive armor ups that activate around Medusa's armor smash, check
    Unblock specials, check
    Power gain, check
    Damage over time debuffs (that are passive so they activate on heros that normally don't allow those debuffs), check

    It's some ridiculous nonsense

    1. It's just like fighting a stun immune, plus you can easily intercept his heavy.
    2. As long as you don't armor shatter him, you can use medusa to remove his armor passives using medium attacks
    3. Sp1 not that hard to dodge, plus second 2 hits are blockable and can be dodged
    4. Keep his power bar low when he's near deflector protocol. Then bait.
    5. Don't let him get to sp3, and no plasma.
  • kikobobkikobob Member Posts: 45 ★
    It's not really the champ as a whole that bugs me. He is a good defender that needs some skill to fight. It is merely the inconsistency between his sp3 and AAs and the fact that he can seemingly incinerate champions that are immune to it. I can understand it for champs that shrug off incinerate charges like red hulk for example but a champ like iceman who is fully immune should not be effected.
  • kikobobkikobob Member Posts: 45 ★
    Thank you squish for clarifying that it is not a bug. Just saying I disagree with the logic behind it now.
  • TheSquish671TheSquish671 Member Posts: 2,880 ★★★★★
    It makes sense though. AA's neurotoxin does way more damage than plasma, so it shouldn't be something that can be inflicted to all champions, unlike IMIW's plasma which deals less damage and lasts a shorter duration
  • VimesVonlipVimesVonlip Member Posts: 177 ★★
    TheSquish671 wrote: »
    It makes sense though. AA's neurotoxin does way more damage than plasma, so it shouldn't be something that can be inflicted to all champions, unlike IMIW's plasma which deals less damage and lasts a shorter duration

    Damage amount shouldn't be a deciding factor. There should be consistency across all champs.
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  • STOPCRYINGSTOPCRYING Member Posts: 147 ★
    Just get the champ and then i bet you wont complain
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