5* Featured Cutoffs...increasing more and more?

Before cutoffs would around 40m-45m but it has been steadily growing and raising fast..

My closest Was being rank 146 for 5*imiw. I made less than 100k points....

What are your thoughts?
Korg cutoffs was crazy and i see way to many people miss out..

But if you look up scores for corvus 1st and 2nd round he recieved 0 hype and hrned out to be 1 of the best champions for AW . Corvus went extremely low...

And now omega arrives and 1st round cutoff just released by trucos.

Cant imagine the scores for emma so peolle will “feel” safe to be in top 150.

What are tour thoughts?

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DTMelodicMetal

Coruvs Glaive 1st round and Proxima Midnight 2nd round were outliers, possibly due to Infinity Dungeons and players not grasping their full potentials. End-game players continue to increase their 6* rosters. Players who go for new featured 5* champions should aim for 65+ mil for now.

Good to see you back on the forum @ContestOfNoobs

ContestOfNoobs

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

Coruvs Glaive 1st round and Proxima Midnight 2nd round were outliers, possibly due to Infinity Dungeons and players not grasping their full potentials. End-game players continue to increase their 6* rosters. Players who go for new featured 5* champions should aim for 65+ mil for now.

Good to see you back on the forum @ContestOfNoobs

Yes i could have goten him in 1st round.
Got him in 2nd round for a mere 33m.

But the increase scores will be going higher and higher as i can see it.
Emma already being speculated as being a top defender.

But by “rng” logic i cant seem t pull a dupe for corvus.

ContestOfNoobs

Suprised no responses, the trend for arena is crazy, but be aware of the upcoming scores and whoevers goes for omega for 2nd round of arena.

Emma will be hyped for sure and next month has potential to be venom related for october.

A l p h a

They should really consider adding a 5 star basic arena, that would help bring down the featured a little and i think is long overdue by now?

bm3epps

just wait for Emma Frost..even the 4* arena might put up record numbers 😂

Gamer

Emma is Not tha bad ryl just anyoing if u dont Think she is one ther. So.

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ESF

Scorpion989 wrote: »

They should really consider adding a 5 star basic arena, that would help bring down the featured a little and i think is long overdue by now?

Agreed, but let's not kid ourselves: Those scores could be every bit as crazy in a first-run Basic arena. So many people have not either gotten or been able to dupe 5-stars, some runs would still be insane -- Iceman, for example, has been around, what, two years

A 5-star Iceman basic arena would be something to behold

Gamer

ESF wrote: »

Scorpion989 wrote: »

They should really consider adding a 5 star basic arena, that would help bring down the featured a little and i think is long overdue by now?

Agreed, but let's not kid ourselves: Those scores could be every bit as crazy in a first-run Basic arena. So many people have not either gotten or been able to dupe 5-stars, some runs would still be insane -- Iceman, for example, has been around, what, two years

A 5-star Iceman basic arena would be something to behold

Also blade wuld be hug. Domino etc ikow donino pretty alot news. Corvus wuld go hige

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My_Superior wrote: »

RIP Renegade. I didn’t know him well but I know he never gave up.

Yea he never gave up...he believed

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zeezee57 wrote: »

It's funny because I think Emma is going to disappoint a lot of the high tier players placing her on D. IWIM is widely considered one of the best defenders and his top counter happens to be hers too. So all those who R4 and R5 Corvus arent going to have the trouble with her that's being speculated. All just my opinion obviously but i don't see any reason someone with i high ranked Corvus will have issues with her on in AW.

Todays war my imiw got 2 kill vs a corvus+prox synergy

Tier1 war btw.

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Ploop_Plaap

Just a thought, with every champ added, you can do a few more fights, and get more points, maybe the bar is just naturally raising? Also, people get better and better, fight more and lose their streak less, so there’s less point loss there too.

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DNA3000

Scorpion989 wrote: »

They should really consider adding a 5 star basic arena, that would help bring down the featured a little and i think is long overdue by now?

I'm not sure why. The 5* featured arena is clearly a competition, and rising scores just means fiercer competition. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with scores rising in the 5* featured: I would expect them to. In fact, if they were not, on the long trend, rising, then I would think something had gone wrong.

If you're not in the top 150 yet, you can't expect your own scores to rise towards the cutoff and not expect everyone else's scores to also rise to increase that cutoff. To get into the top 150 it is not enough to increase your scoring, you have to do so fast enough to overtake the people at the top who are also increasing their ability to score points over time. Meanwhile if you are in the top 150 now, you can't expect the people just outside the top 150 to not try harder to get into the top 150 and displace you.

The fact that the people at the top want to stay there, and the people outside of the top want to push into the top, is ultimately what pushes scores upward. And so long as there's strong competition for those top spots, scores will rise over time on average. That's what competition does.

DTMelodicMetal

Basic guidelines for scoring top 150 for new champions in 5* arena:

1) Have 3+ 6* champions

2) Be ready to use 9-12K+ units refreshing 6* champions, assuming the cutoff ends up being 60+ mil

3) Score 5+ mil over the highest cutoff prediction

DNA3000

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

Basic guidelines for scoring top 150 for new champions in 5* arena:

1) Have 3+ 6* champions

2) Be ready to use 9-12K+ units refreshing 6* champions, assuming the cutoff ends up being 60+ mil

3) Score 5+ mil over the highest cutoff prediction

If 151 people do this, at least one person will be disappointed. The only reason why any guidelines currently work is ironically because almost no one follows them. It is actually rule three that is the critical one, because it basically says "do more than anyone else thinks almost anyone is likely to do." Which is the only real way to end up in the top bracket.

ContestOfNoobs

DNA3000 wrote: »

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

Basic guidelines for scoring top 150 for new champions in 5* arena:

1) Have 3+ 6* champions

2) Be ready to use 9-12K+ units refreshing 6* champions, assuming the cutoff ends up being 60+ mil

3) Score 5+ mil over the highest cutoff prediction

If 151 people do this, at least one person will be disappointed. The only reason why any guidelines currently work is ironically because almost no one follows them. It is actually rule three that is the critical one, because it basically says "do more than anyone else thinks almost anyone is likely to do." Which is the only real way to end up in the top bracket.

Very true and if less than 150 people go for the champ lets says exactly 149 put up 60m+ and 150m did 24m people will go crazy and be made they wasnt the 150th

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DNA3000

ContestOfNoobs wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

Basic guidelines for scoring top 150 for new champions in 5* arena:

1) Have 3+ 6* champions

2) Be ready to use 9-12K+ units refreshing 6* champions, assuming the cutoff ends up being 60+ mil

3) Score 5+ mil over the highest cutoff prediction

If 151 people do this, at least one person will be disappointed. The only reason why any guidelines currently work is ironically because almost no one follows them. It is actually rule three that is the critical one, because it basically says "do more than anyone else thinks almost anyone is likely to do." Which is the only real way to end up in the top bracket.

Very true and if less than 150 people go for the champ lets says exactly 149 put up 60m+ and 150m did 24m people will go crazy and be made they wasnt the 150th

We don't get as much data as we used to in the old arenas, but I used to deep-dive the submission data for the older arena scores. What tends to happen is that the scores are heavily influenced by what people *think* the required score is, and the cutoff tends to end up around the bottom third of the consensus guess range. A graphic might explain this better:

This is the score distribution for the Hyperion basic (4*) arena way back in the day. It is the clearest example I could find: the data tended to be a little "messier" than this, but usually showed the same pattern. Those are the scores and rank for that score, and I've pointed to the cutoff for the 10% of that arena (~ 6.3 million). Notice that there are always high fliers, but it quickly settles down to a plateau of scores, in this case between about 8 million and 6 million. And then right about 6 million the scores fall off a cliff. This hints at the notion that among actual grinders the push was to get over 6 million: if you couldn't get to 6, you were far less likely to push hard. That was approximately the minimum consensus cutoff guess. The maximum was about 8 million: far, far fewer people tried to push past eight million than tried to get to about 8 million. The actual cutoff was in the bottom third of that gentle slope where scores are bunched together tightly.

The guy just to the right of that arrow thinks he just missed. But the guy just to the right of him also just missed bumping him. So why do scores rises? Because everyone just to the right of that arrow "just missed" and many of them will try a little harder next time. And every single one of them that succeeds will bump someone just to the left of that arrow, who will now have an incentive to push even harder next time. Everyone talks about the guys way over to the left, the guys putting up the huge numbers. But they don't matter at all. The only people who matter are those people crowded around that arrow. They, and they alone, determine who wins, and who loses.

The important point here though is that there is always a very specific group of people who have any chance at all and aren't just blowing the doors off the arena. In this case, it was the group of people who decided to stop between 6 million and 8 million. And in every arena, *some* of those people have to be wrong. Even in the featured arena where there used to be only 800 winners instead of 10000+, the data showed that about 1200 people tended to have a legitimate shot, and about 400 guessed wrong. I don't know what it is like exactly in the 5* featured, but I would bet something like this is still happening.

Pjane22

What else is to be expected? Lower scores? People expand their rosters, there is alot mercs out there, as there is alot grinders, but requirements to score 5* feautred surpass most of other games, people don't spend so much time playing real time PvP competitve games.

And having youtubers pumping scores doesn't help, but i personally don't care, there is not a single champ in this game i would spend 6k-10k units and 3 days of my time to get it.

And Kabam gameplan worked out prefect, scores will and should be higher for every super hyped champion it's "nature" of the game.

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@Pjane22

As expected the cutoffs will always be increasing, as someone who went for 10+ featured 5* grind.

I have done grinds where i only
33m for 5* corvus
45m for 5* stooth
41m for 5* sentinel

Back then grinds was manable but people who seen the trends of arena decided to keep going higher to be “safe”

Then the started increasing
I did 55.4 for imiw because i wanted to be “safe” and people hated imiw on defense and he recieved alot of hyped, screenshots of him recieving alot of defenders kills gor example.

With 55.4m i barely made it to 146
Because people “chose” to do over 55m for the champ

@DNA3000
Good example, people who miss and people who barely made it will try harder..

Hencewhy when i did 55.4 m for imiw inwas shocked to see i barely made it...

Then korg/omega comes and along sith the hype, alot more people went for him and chose to out up 60m to be..”safe”

ContestOfNoobs

Emma arena is upon us!!

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bm3epps

what will 4* featured cutoff be...I only grind one time and that was for Omega Red and barely made the cut after putting up a little over 14 million

TheRealApoc

Time will tell if the bans help the score lower? A lot of these players will not have a chance at her which is great! I've heard of arena bots, I personally would love to see arenas monitored a lot more. I think some of them are bots tbh. No clear proof just assumptions.

bm3epps

I may grind for 15 mil..

ICE_ICE_BABY

bm3epps wrote: »

just wait for Emma Frost..even the 4* arena might put up record numbers 😂

looking at possibly 16m