Its time to up the cut off for 5* featured arena from 150....

Almost 100 views and no grinders feel the same? 25M for a sh*t champ like beast is ridiculous.

Guess all the folks that put up 60M for OmegaRed and missed are still crying in a dark corner somewhere...

xNig

Regardless of the number of spots, with the developing rosters, cutoffs will definitely get higher.

In a point cutoff system like that, it’s all up to the players to decide the cutoff.

For those who put up 60m for OR and missed, you have my apologies but #150 wanted the champ too and was willing to put up more points for him.

EvilEmpire

Right now the scores are ridiculous from a financial perspective. Not even worth considering that amount of $$$ and time investment.

Heretodie

You want the newest champ pay the money or shut up, no one complained when 4* where going for 8 million and it was 24/3 grinds and boosts and selling a kidney. Guess what getting 5* shouldn’t be easy can those who want to spend are gonna spend and those who want to grind till their fingers are numb are gonna do that. In a pay to win system FTP my as well collect some milestones and relax.

ContestOfNoobs

@MaRvEl_MoNsTeR
As
Someone who grinded 10+ 5* featured arena

If they made it top 200,250,500
Someone will be the “cutoff” nomatter what.

People will always try to push harder.
201,251,501 will be cutoff

Also had friends who missed outside 150+ mark.
That feeling is horrible and i wouldnt want to be in those shoes, noone does.
But again people see these scores and hear the stories and dont want to be that “guy” thats why people push to be “safe” but if the amount of people who actially grinded is less than 150, people will instantly regret not going for them.

Please take a look ar corvus 5* featured scores. he went for a low 16m 1st round. I didnt go for him but he recieved 0 hype and in the 2nd round i decided to just grind and got him for a mere 33m just to be added to roster. I just thought 30m was gona be the cutoff. Now we know how god tier corvus is for aw, and if we all knew how good he was gonna be, i believe he will set all time records.

People want these god tier atk/defenders. You cant blame human nature for people wanting the champion, its a race,competitionz

There has to be a cutoff and people will miss.

I did 6m back in the day for NC basic 4* it was only top 5* and...
I didnt make it...ofcourse i was mad but that was when i had much smaller pool of 4* than what the veterans can do.
Now that i have been playing for some time and have a roster,

can totally feel how someone who has 20-30 5* compare to someone like me who has 90 5* and 115 4*. And feel that they cant compete yet. Its not your time and you need to grow your roster.

I only really use 10 5* for Aq, aw atk/def and questing.
But thats why they call them arena fodder.

Here is a post and i have said some things about my 5* grinds from barely making it.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/96907/5-featured-cutoffs-increasing-more-and-more#latest

I think it may soon be time to put it more in line with the other Arenas. Perhaps Top 1-5%. Availabilities are rising, and the amount of Grinding is just as significant. Only the Points have increased because the Champs being used are higher. Of course, that's entirely up to them and what they want to set.

ContestOfNoobs

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

I think it may soon be time to put it more in line with the other Arenas. Perhaps Top 1-5%. Availabilities are rising, and the amount of Grinding is just as significant. Only the Points have increased because the Champs being used are higher. Of course, that's entirely up to them and what they want to set.

Its about 12m (a milestone also) only rank 1500-2500 ish.
To garantee u a top 1-10%
I have seen someone who did 10.5m to just be placed 10-20%. So it alll depends how many peope go for.

To get into the top 5%
Maybe a 5* basic but not many people have time/roster to do 20m+

This will also devalue 5* in general.

i believe if they do this that arena will just be as brutal, cutoffs will increase and more people will cry about it being to high.
Theres always people gonna be missing.

Just like 4* featured, if 801 people go all out someone will miss

Same thing with 5* featured is 151 people go all out to grind they will miss.

So if they do a top 5%..and older featured champs like beast went for 25m

Alot more people will go for champs.

If 5.01% of people go for said champ..that .01% person will miss.

Captain_Kandice

People complained a lot when 4* were 8+ mil and top 200 or 400 or whatever it was. After every new champ featured arena the forums were full of people complaining about the rising scores. Eventually Kabam raised the cutoff.

As the 5* scores start to rise more and more people will complain more and more and eventually Kabam will raise the cutoff.

When that will be who knows? My guess after 6* have been around for a while and the desire/demand for 5* isn’t as high as it is right now.

I’m not a noob to arena by any means, put up 20M for 4* Dorm when he first came out. Have not missed one arena that I have gone for, but it is time to extend the cut off a bit.

If you have been doing arena for a while you also know how fast the scores drop after cut off. This should help the folks trying to get arena champs (aka sh*t champs) and not having too spend so much damn time.

With quest, dungeons, AQ, Ana AW, danger room, I am sure we can all agree how crazy it is at the moment for time management.

Raganator

This arena hasn't even been around that long. No changes required.

IsItthough

Curious to what you think, but would Kabam make more money if they set the champ as a milestone and set it at 45million, heck make it 60million. I wonder if that would entice more grinders and spenders knowing that there efforts weren't going to waste. I would never put that much time into the arena, but I have always thought the cutoff was a silly idea when people literally waste 3 days of their lives putting up ungodly numbers not to hit the cutoff.

ContestOfNoobs wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

I think it may soon be time to put it more in line with the other Arenas. Perhaps Top 1-5%. Availabilities are rising, and the amount of Grinding is just as significant. Only the Points have increased because the Champs being used are higher. Of course, that's entirely up to them and what they want to set.

Its about 12m (a milestone also) only rank 1500-2500 ish.
To garantee u a top 1-10%
I have seen someone who did 10.5m to just be placed 10-20%. So it alll depends how many peope go for.

To get into the top 5%
Maybe a 5* basic but not many people have time/roster to do 20m+

This will also devalue 5* in general.

i believe if they do this that arena will just be as brutal, cutoffs will increase and more people will cry about it being to high.
Theres always people gonna be missing.

Just like 4* featured, if 801 people go all out someone will miss

Same thing with 5* featured is 151 people go all out to grind they will miss.

So if they do a top 5%..and older featured champs like beast went for 25m

Alot more people will go for champs.

If 5.01% of people go for said champ..that .01% person will miss.

Disagree. The value of 5*s is still the same. When the 5* Arena was invented, there was an intended rarity placed on the Featured. There's no reason why it couldn't be reevaluated after some time has passed. Top 1-5% is not a gross devalue. As it stands, the Champ goes to the same few who Rank 150 most times, with numbers significantly greater.

RagamugginGunner

IsItthough wrote: »

Curious to what you think, but would Kabam make more money if they set the champ as a milestone and set it at 45million, heck make it 60million. I wonder if that would entice more grinders and spenders knowing that there efforts weren't going to waste. I would never put that much time into the arena, but I have always thought the cutoff was a silly idea when people literally waste 3 days of their lives putting up ungodly numbers not to hit the cutoff.

They'd prolly make much less on FGMC sales. You can spend $500+ on them and not get a champ but to get to 45-60M would only be like $200-$300 depending on time.

MaRvEl_MoNsTeR wrote: »

Kabam is there a timeline for the cut off in 5* arena to be increased? @Kabam Miike @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Zibiit

With scores increasing at a rapid rate for all 5* arenas let it be new champs or old champs, we need to re-evaluate the 150 cut off. It’s too low. Kabam please increase this to a more attainable number. Not asking for it to be like old 4* featured cut off but deff more than 150.

Thanks!!

I don't really understand this complaint. 150 people get him. Everyone else doesn't. I don't know why its okay if 150 get him and everyone else doesn't if the cutoff is 40 million but not if it is 60 million. Kabam could reduce the points earned per fight in that arena to lower everyone's scores, but I don't see how that's helpful. But it would directly attack this idea that there exists a score that is "too high" for competitors to achieve.

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DNA3000 wrote: »

MaRvEl_MoNsTeR wrote: »

Kabam is there a timeline for the cut off in 5* arena to be increased? @Kabam Miike @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Zibiit

With scores increasing at a rapid rate for all 5* arenas let it be new champs or old champs, we need to re-evaluate the 150 cut off. It’s too low. Kabam please increase this to a more attainable number. Not asking for it to be like old 4* featured cut off but deff more than 150.

Thanks!!

I don't really understand this complaint. 150 people get him. Everyone else doesn't. I don't know why its okay if 150 get him and everyone else doesn't if the cutoff is 40 million but not if it is 60 million. Kabam could reduce the points earned per fight in that arena to lower everyone's scores, but I don't see how that's helpful. But it would directly attack this idea that there exists a score that is "too high" for competitors to achieve.

The issue is that the arena has been out for a while now and before r5’s and 6* the scores were okish. However since then folks now have a ton of 6* for the spenders and everyone has at least 2/3 r5’s which the scores are getting bigger and bigger due to this. Just look at the scores before and after this last AW season. This puts the non spenders at a huge disadvantage. Arena has for the most part always been for grinders to be able to obtain heroes that spenders just “buy”.

Like it was said before the folks putting up 60M will still get the champ, however if they did 1-5% as suggested with less shards or only dupe level 1 instead of 20, it would be nice. Grinders are still going to use units due to changing masterys for AW, arena and some for AQ. The guys buying crystals are still going to buy them because they are impatient and want he champ now not a week later.

In the format it’s in now it’s gone from almost free to play to a true pay to play game.

MaRvEl_MoNsTeR wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

MaRvEl_MoNsTeR wrote: »

Kabam is there a timeline for the cut off in 5* arena to be increased? @Kabam Miike @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Zibiit

With scores increasing at a rapid rate for all 5* arenas let it be new champs or old champs, we need to re-evaluate the 150 cut off. It’s too low. Kabam please increase this to a more attainable number. Not asking for it to be like old 4* featured cut off but deff more than 150.

Thanks!!

I don't really understand this complaint. 150 people get him. Everyone else doesn't. I don't know why its okay if 150 get him and everyone else doesn't if the cutoff is 40 million but not if it is 60 million. Kabam could reduce the points earned per fight in that arena to lower everyone's scores, but I don't see how that's helpful. But it would directly attack this idea that there exists a score that is "too high" for competitors to achieve.

The issue is that the arena has been out for a while now and before r5’s and 6* the scores were okish. However since then folks now have a ton of 6* for the spenders and everyone has at least 2/3 r5’s which the scores are getting bigger and bigger due to this. Just look at the scores before and after this last AW season. This puts the non spenders at a huge disadvantage. Arena has for the most part always been for grinders to be able to obtain heroes that spenders just “buy”.

It was never the case that non-spenders were not at a significant disadvantage in the top featured arena. The place for the non-spenders to grind for a champ has always been the basic arena.

In the format it’s in now it’s gone from almost free to play to a true pay to play game.

This is almost laughably false. It costs money to keep up with the top players of the game, and that's perfectly fine: someone has to keep the lights on. But it costs nothing to be one of the top ten percent of players of the game, say, and the amount of stuff you can get completely for free in this game makes it one of the best free to play games I've seen ever. It is hard to take seriously the complaint that the game is pay to play, when it literally can be played for free to basically the top ten percent of all players.

You don't want to get the top ten percent for free. You want the top 0.001% to be free. Laudable, but in a probably self-annihilating way.

At some point down the road, a 5* basic arena will probably materialize, and that will become the place for more grinders to get 5* champs directly, and that's fine also. It preserves the fundamental balancing metric for F2P games, otherwise known as "impatience is expensive." But I don't think the game currently suffers from a lack of it yet. Players are still getting used to being able to grind out a 5* a week under the current system. Until that becomes taken completely for granted, you'd be wasting a progressional ladder step to release 5* basic arenas too soon.

If it’s free to play tell me how many FTP players can get to 63M for arena without refresh? Don’t worry I’ll wait... and I’m not talking about the guys that spend and say they don’t.

I’m not suggesting a basic 5* arena, only that the cut off be re-evaluated for the current arena. For the guy that suggest the 1-5% cut off also a awesome idea.

Your idea that free stuff comes along and everything is peachy is laughable. We are not talking about rewards like t4b, t1a’s, and things of the like, this is about 5* champs. More importantly new 5* champs. With AW being the most important thing in this game right now, new champs are needed to stay competitive in masters bracket, shoot even for Plat1 and may ever event other lower tiers. Deaths have never been more important than they are right now. For that you “NEED” new champs. Which makes some folks having to spend $300-500 in arena insane. Again not saying it should be free but simply more attainable for a few more folks.

MaRvEl_MoNsTeR wrote: »

If it’s free to play tell me how many FTP players can get to 63M for arena without refresh?

It is hard to think of a better way to demonstrate my point than you did. That was most effective.

Batman05

Refreshes cost units not money. FTP can still refresh

Y’all must not do arena much.

How many units do you have left over from an arena that your won the arena before? If what you are saying is true you would have approximately 6000 units left over for the next arena after you just spent that much on the arena before. For some that went for Omega Red it was 9000 units to get him and grinding 24/7. How is that “free to play”.

MaRvEl_MoNsTeR wrote: »

Y’all must not do arena much.

How many units do you have left over from an arena that your won the arena before? If what you are saying is true you would have approximately 6000 units left over for the next arena after you just spent that much on the arena before. For some that went for Omega Red it was 9000 units to get him and grinding 24/7. How is that “free to play”.

Ask Brian Grant. He is 100% free to play, plays in a tier 1 alliance, has done pretty much all of the content, and occasionally grinds the featured when he decides it is a champ he wants badly enough.

As I said before, you don't want free to play. You want free to be top dog in everything everywhere, and that's simply not a fair use of the term. Free to play means you can play for free, and you can. And if you're willing to put in the time, there is very little you can't do in-game. Maybe you can't be the top 150 finisher in every single featured arena every single time, but if you're calling the game pay to play just because you can't do that without spending, those words must mean something different where y'all are from.

DTMelodicMetal

4* featured arena was originally top 400. It was later raised to top 800 around 12.0. Maybe 5* featured arena will undergo a similar change at some point and go from top 150 to top 300.

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

4* featured arena was originally top 400. It was later raised to top 800 around 12.0. Maybe 5* featured arena will undergo a similar change at some point and go from top 150 to top 300.

That would be reasonable.

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

4* featured arena was originally top 400. It was later raised to top 800 around 12.0. Maybe 5* featured arena will undergo a similar change at some point and go from top 150 to top 300.

I wouldn't bet against it. However, I don't think it is likely in the immediate future. It isn't easy to extrapolate precisely from the past, because I think Kabam screwed up progression from 4* to 5*, and they learned those lessons in the jump from 5* to 6*. The biggest lesson they learned is to transition slower. The original 5* ranking ladder had way too much overlap between 4* and 5*, which made lower ranks too redundant. 1/25, 2/35, and 3/45 are roughly comparable to 3/30, 4/40, and 5/50, which means 5* champs didn't become really interesting progress-wise until we could rank them up to 4/55. That placed a lot of pressure on Kabam to increasing the supply of T4CC and (to a lesser extent) T2A. 6* champs have very little overlap: 1/25 is already 4/55-levels of power, and we can't even rank them past 2/35. So 6* is much more useful right out of the box, and there's a huge ladder of progress they don't have to rush; ranks 3 through 5 on 6* champs.

I think when 3/45 6* starts to become a reality, Kabam will start to consider 5* champs to be more of a stepping stone in the progress ladder to 6*, and they will start shifting the balance of 5* availability from shards and crystals to a bit more towards arena events. At that point I would expect them to consider widening the featured bracket and maybe start thinking about a basic event. But I would expect to see Act 6 and T5CC first, and increased 5* arena availability somewhat after that, and not just immediately following.