They MUTILATED VENOM!

So in order to actually compare pre and post buffs I decided to take screenshots and video of venom’s abilities. Lo and behold… they killed his fury. What used to be roughly 40-50% has been stripped to less than 20%

Unbelievable!!! Almost Half his base attack was devalued to less than 1 fifth!

Notice the 4 Synergies

Notice the 7 Synergies

Comments

Ch1efster

Green numbers scale as you rank up. Spotlight showed max rank in values.

Edit: Would have thought it would be at least close though to what it currently was at the same rank. So, looks like they may have nerfed low rank values at least.

Epsilon3

Both are MY venom

V1PER1987

It’s 15% attack. Plus you can actually control how many fury buffs you can and max out at more buffs. This is still a buff.

Ch1efster

After looking again...maybe your right. Other values have increased, but not the fury.

Epsilon3

Again with my 4* because I wanted to be sure

Notice the 4 Synergy

Notice the 7 Synergy

Epsilon3

They cut his fury by over half

Darkstar4387

They gave him a lot of ultility and made him a better champions overall so they definitely didn't mulitate him I got to test him on my alt in the beta and was pleased with him so were a lot of others

Epsilon3

V1PER1987 wrote: »

It’s 15% attack. Plus you can actually control how many fury buffs you can and max out at more buffs. This is still a buff.

@V1PER1987
Except Kabam lied. In the patch notes they label Venom’s fury going from 11% to 15%

I don’t know about you but almost half is not 11%

V1PER1987

Epsilon3 wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

It’s 15% attack. Plus you can actually control how many fury buffs you can and max out at more buffs. This is still a buff.

@V1PER1987
Except Kabam lied. In the patch notes they label Venom’s fury going from 11% to 15%

I don’t know about you but almost half is not 11%

I’m confused by your comment. If it’s 15% and in the patch notes it’s 15%, how did they lie?

Epsilon3

All increased in strength
11% to 15%

LOL

Epsilon3

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Epsilon3 wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

It’s 15% attack. Plus you can actually control how many fury buffs you can and max out at more buffs. This is still a buff.

@V1PER1987
Except Kabam lied. In the patch notes they label Venom’s fury going from 11% to 15%

I don’t know about you but almost half is not 11%

I’m confused by your comment. If it’s 15% and in the patch notes it’s 15%, how did they lie?

@V1PER1987 they claimed it was an increase. I mean how is that hard to understand that they lied about this?

Ch1efster

I'm not sure... Unless "Attack" is different from "Attack Rating"? It is 15% either way. Maybe original just didn't show right.

V1PER1987

Epsilon3 wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Epsilon3 wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

It’s 15% attack. Plus you can actually control how many fury buffs you can and max out at more buffs. This is still a buff.

@V1PER1987
Except Kabam lied. In the patch notes they label Venom’s fury going from 11% to 15%

I don’t know about you but almost half is not 11%

I’m confused by your comment. If it’s 15% and in the patch notes it’s 15%, how did they lie?

@V1PER1987 they claimed it was an increase. I mean how is that hard to understand that they lied about this?

Because it doesn’t matter what it was before? It’s 15% now and that’s what they said it would be. The numbers do look weird before but now it’s 15% so I don’t understand why you’re bent out of shape. On his new spotlight it shows 15% attack.

Epsilon3

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Epsilon3 wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Epsilon3 wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

It’s 15% attack. Plus you can actually control how many fury buffs you can and max out at more buffs. This is still a buff.

@V1PER1987
Except Kabam lied. In the patch notes they label Venom’s fury going from 11% to 15%

I don’t know about you but almost half is not 11%

I’m confused by your comment. If it’s 15% and in the patch notes it’s 15%, how did they lie?

@V1PER1987 they claimed it was an increase. I mean how is that hard to understand that they lied about this?

Because it doesn’t matter what it was before? It’s 15% now and that’s what they said it would be. The numbers do look weird before but now it’s 15% so I don’t understand why you’re bent out of shape. On his new spotlight it shows 15% attack.

*sigh* because of what the buff technically should have been about 75% boost to his fury. Take that 234 and change and multiply it by 1.75 and you end up just above 410 per fury on a 3/30 4*. Stack that up to 8 and you’d be capable of nearly 3300 total fury from that 3/30 4*

See THAT is what would have happened if their numbers actually lined up.

V1PER1987

I think the bigger question is why did they think Venom’s fury was only 11% and they were boosting to 15%. 15% seems more reasonable than 50-75% anyway. Anyway I’ll sidestep this conversation now. Sorry to interrupt.

Kobster84

Venoms fury didn’t scale before meaning that the 11% was on a maxed out 5 star

OMC_Pinto

Epsilon3 wrote: »

All increased in strength
11% to 15%

LOL

The screenshot you show is NOT what the change to venom is, however it is an edit to the changes they originally had for the beta. In the beta as it came out at first the fury was changed to 11%. after initial feedback from the beta testers they decided to increase it to 15%. The increase from 11-15% was not Pre Beta Venom vs Post Beta Venom, it was Beta Venom Version 1 and Beta Venom Version 2. (not entirely sure if i am explaining that well)

V1PER1987

OMC_Pinto wrote: »

Epsilon3 wrote: »

All increased in strength
11% to 15%

LOL

The screenshot you show is NOT what the change to venom is, however it is an edit to the changes they originally had for the beta. In the beta as it came out at first the fury was changed to 11%. after initial feedback from the beta testers they decided to increase it to 15%. The increase from 11-15% was not Pre Beta Venom vs Post Beta Venom, it was Beta Venom Version 1 and Beta Venom Version 2. (not entirely sure if i am explaining that well)

Ah so that’s what it was. That makes sense then.

DNA3000

The patch notes appear to be in error, although I think it is a bit strong to claim they "lied." If all errors are lies, then pretty much all of the players posters are also liars. Including you:

What used to be roughly 40-50% has been stripped to less than 20%

The original fury appears to have been 33%. I haven't updated yet so I can both look at the values and also field test it. It shows as essentially 33% and it appears to boost damage by 33% of base attack in actual game play.

Now, is this a "mutilation?" Not necessarily, because of two factors. First, the number of mutation buffs was increased from five to eight. On average, you'd expect to get two of those furies, plus or minus, for a 66% base attack boost. Now, you're likely to get on average about three, for a 45% base attack boost. Plus, the actual Klyntar mutation buff itself now appears to contain an attack buff of 15% while it is active, which doesn't exist in the current version of Venom. So overall you're likely to max out around the same level of Fury, but short of high nullification environments you're likely to average more Fury, because you'll start at +15% not zero. In actual game play, this is going to roughly even out.

In fact, I suspect a spreadsheet jockey tried to make it exactly even out in rough terms. Your statistical maximum fury benefit in the old Venom is 5/3*33 = +55%. The new Venom is going to get a max average benefit of about 8/3*15+15 = +55%. If that's a numerical coincidence, it is a pretty good one.

V1PER1987

DNA3000 wrote: »

The patch notes appear to be in error, although I think it is a bit strong to claim they "lied." If all errors are lies, then pretty much all of the players posters are also liars. Including you:

What used to be roughly 40-50% has been stripped to less than 20%

The original fury appears to have been 33%. I haven't updated yet so I can both look at the values and also field test it. It shows as essentially 33% and it appears to boost damage by 33% of base attack in actual game play.

Now, is this a "mutilation?" Not necessarily, because of two factors. First, the number of mutation buffs was increased from five to eight. On average, you'd expect to get two of those furies, plus or minus, for a 66% base attack boost. Now, you're likely to get on average about three, for a 45% base attack boost. Plus, the actual Klyntar mutation buff itself now appears to contain an attack buff of 15% while it is active, which doesn't exist in the current version of Venom. So overall you're likely to max out around the same level of Fury, but short of high nullification environments you're likely to average more Fury, because you'll start at +15% not zero. In actual game play, this is going to roughly even out.

In fact, I suspect a spreadsheet jockey tried to make it exactly even out in rough terms. Your statistical maximum fury benefit in the old Venom is 5/3*33 = +55%. The new Venom is going to get a max average benefit of about 8/3*15+15 = +55%. If that's a numerical coincidence, it is a pretty good one.

Don’t forget the fact that similar to Joe Fixit, you can use a heavy attack to “reroll” your previous buff. With this mechanic you are easily able to achieve more fury buffs than you were able to before, not only due to having the cap of buffs raised, but also because you rely a little less on RNG to get the ideal setup.

DNA3000

Also, I wasn't in the Venom beta, but having been in the AQ early access preview, I have a suspicion as to what happened. I suspect that the initial iteration of Venom's update had an 11% fury, and that was increased to 15% and the internal patch notes specified that the buff was increased from 11% to 15%, and this leaked into the live patch notes incorrectly. Also, the Venom beta didn't have as many nit-picky editorial previewers as the AQ early access.

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