Developers Thoughts: Improving Alliance Wars Discussion Thread

Hey Summoners!

We've just posted a brand new behind the scenes look at the future of Alliance Wars, including some new changes coming to Alliance Wars Season 5! Make sure you take a read of the post over on our Blog: https://playcontestofchampions.com/developer-thoughts-improving-alliance-wars/

The Rotating Global Buffs kick off on October 17th! Prepare yourselves!

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gohard123

Solution 2: Improved Methods to Identify Offenders, More Severe Punishments, Matchmaking Improvements

Easy peasy,
For cheaters - keep doing what you have been doing before but now remove the player from the alliance. The community has been saying this since forever

For matchmaking collusion - Do matchmaking pools where all alliances have a set period of time to enter the pool and the server matchmakes with its usual matchmaking algorithm. People wont be able to collude and find easier matches and match ups would be fair. Again the community has said this before

Buff 2 – Bleed Immunity:

Bleed immunity affects Defenders
Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

wow make AA BP and GP even more useless than they are now

However, we’ve also seen a higher Alliance kick rate which we have attributed to the increased competition brought on by the added significance of Alliance War points and its effect on Alliance Ranking.

This is only a major problem when people are kicked after the war season reward cutoff has been passed.

KKNJ07

If you need diversity, restrict AW weekly to a specific set of champs alone as both offense & defense. Something like the set of champs in a featured crystal. Only buffs would not help achieving diversity.

user3948570293458

Have you considered the fact that any member found cheating will likely be booted and end up in another alliance where they do the same thing?

I just had 3 big accounts join my silver 2 ally today. Not complaining, but it seems a bit more than surprising.

What provisions are you considering to prevent the new alliance from being ruined also? I hate the idea of a scarlet letter, but.... The only other option is to not let a first time offender (in that alliance) cause any alliance level punishment. This means they could jump from ally to ally, unless there is a clear ban schedule (3 strikes, etc).

And will you be documenting the ban schedule for offenders for all aspects of the game so everyone know what to look for to identify cheaters and what the impact is if you cheat? How long they are banned for, what they are banned for (arena, aw, story, etc) and what the impact is?

We didn't chat much at NYCC, but I did mention this topic (about the tourney).

ShiiiiiiiiiD

Here's an idea for people caught cheating. You offer them a chance to submit a ticket saying yes I cheated for half of the rewards back the first time. The second time it's a 1/4 of the rewards back. The 3rd time they lose all rewards and are banned forever. Players not willing to admit they cheated lose all rewards and still are banned for ever after the 3rd time. The benefit is knowing who is cheating because the rewards do matter that much to top players. However either way the player has to admit it or lose everything. It's like an honor system.

Camby01

So I can put drax on the heap pile now too?

Bryon_502

I like the all the new ideas.

I would like to see a tie breaker system. I don't think a war should ever end in a tie.

I would like to see points getting awarded for defensive kills. Keep the attack bonus to reward player skill, but also award points for good AW placement.

Lastly, I I have an idea for cool node in my opinion. The node would have the standard attack and defense bonuses for whatever region of the map it's in. But this node effect would awaken the character placed and give them their Max signature ability.

Cat_Murdock

ShiiiiiiiiiD wrote: »

How about diminishing season rewards. If you start and finish with the same alliance the whole season you get 100% and every war you miss is a percentage of the rewards you'd receive. The same rules would apply for the alliance that you get rewards from. This would keep people from jumping as much and keep alliances together more.

I get what you mean, but that would really suck for alliances like mine that run two war groups and cycle people in and out

Evil_Devil

I would say if u want to spice wars a little bit, why don't u activate Synergy, so alliances will be placing champions with synergy that work with each one individually.
Imo i don't like this global nodes but for recruitment tool and updating search tool, it's gonna be super helpful and less stressful for all summoners
I'm from +10 time zone and it's hard to find alliances from the same time zone and that matches the difficulty which someone is looking for

Obi_Jedi0110101

How about a way to pro rate season rewards? Got kicked before rewards came out in season 3 bc I criticized leadership. So the whole season was for nothing

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Slux83

Yay I just r5 my 3rd 5*.. Blade

neb

Seriously though, can we just get a direct nerf to blade instead of making all bleed champs unusuable?

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Munrolm02

You want to know another thing that makes this idea so stupid the fact that the whole season 4 they put invulnerability boost in the Loyalty store only once....... for the whole season!!! They also try to make us buy War crystals for 120 units for a Health boost that's only worth 30 and you only get 3 tries every season. Let the little guys in Platinum 3 and below spend their money on completing War and let the top teams spend their money on crystals instead of just trying to make everything in possible and getting s*** for it

CosmicZen

Why not make an attacker diversity point system? Then you will have specialized diverse champs per path. This will also make content harder to beat. There are only so many bleed immune champs etc

DNA3000

Username72647 wrote: »

Why not just go whole hog and introduce a global node that reduces all attacker ability accuracy to 0% and then introduce attacker diversity?

This way, it really doesn't matter who you bring as long as they are diverse.

Because that would be a bad idea.

roastedbagel

I feel like half the population of blade lovers forget the fact that he still deals some of the highest damage in the game even without bleed...

With that said I'm looking forward to no longer seeing the trinity on 9 out of 10 attack teams per bg.

They're specifically wanting us to use other Champs on attack - so yes - your favorite vampire hunter might not be the best choice anymore...adapt! Put him on defense, use him in AQ, use him in story mode....Break out that cyclops! 😂

Mike_1978

I am not to sure about the buff change, but it would be nice to have another champion on offensive team instead of just 3. I think they should also reduce the cost of heals and revives in alliance war or offer more options to obtain these in game rather than using units.

tkt546

So these global nodes are supposed to get you to use your increase roster? What about the people that have 1 R5 or just a couple R4. Yeah, if you have 20 R4 you can just swap out attackers and defenders. Anyone that took AA to R4 or R5 for attack is going to get boned hard by the global node.

ShiiiiiiiiiD

Cat_Murdock wrote: »

ShiiiiiiiiiD wrote: »

How about diminishing season rewards. If you start and finish with the same alliance the whole season you get 100% and every war you miss is a percentage of the rewards you'd receive. The same rules would apply for the alliance that you get rewards from. This would keep people from jumping as much and keep alliances together more.

I get what you mean, but that would really suck for alliances like mine that run two war groups and cycle people in and out

Not necessarily, because those guys would still be in the same alliance. I was thinking more for people who jump alliances. As long as you're with the same alliance there's no penalty. And whatever alliance you are with when the final 5 wars start that's the one the percentage of rewards is based on. Great point tho. At least it wasn't shot completely down.

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neb

I'm not a blade lover, I just think the harder they try to devalue him the more they devalue all the bleed champs that actually rely on their bleeds.

PaytoPlay

Evil_Devil wrote: »

I would say if u want to spice wars a little bit, why don't u activate Synergy, so alliances will be placing champions with synergy that work with each one individually.
Imo i don't like this global nodes but for recruitment tool and updating search tool, it's gonna be super helpful and less stressful for all summoners
I'm from +10 time zone and it's hard to find alliances from the same time zone and that matches the difficulty which someone is looking for

I kinda agree with this. Make defense synergy viable will push ppls to use different champs even if they are a terrible defender... But maybe put in a balancing, negative debuff for each synergy that is active so we have to think twice on what synergy to apply, debuff can be something like dash vulnerability... Maybe you guys can introduce more negative buff...

Run477

So basically...more nerfs to blade is what this long post says.

And of course now, also makes deep wounds irrelevant in alliance war despite so many people ranking that to full.

Finalily, the claim that you don’t want people to be so reliant on one champ or that the rng to get that champ or not get that champ is not your intention is laughable for 2 reasons.

1. That’s the entire idea behind your featured grand master crystals. You have been coming out with god tier champs and encouraging people to test heir luck there. It’s entirely rng based
2. Where rng should be eliminated is he season war rewards—which has been brought up before. People getting the bare minimum possible of t5bs and t2as while others in the ally who may have done less get more rewards bc of “rng” is simply a dumb game idea. I understand it from the champ perspective (although you now say it’s aupoosedly not the point of the game). It makes zero sense from rewards perspective.

So in summary:

1. Stop nerfing blade with every change. People already aren’t placing villains and mystics meaning he’s not OP anyway.
2. Make season rewards not rng dependent if you want to make a productive change.

BCdiscman

I will probably be called a KABAM SHILL for saying this but honestly... this is the most encouraging post I have read from KABAM in a LONG LONG TIME. It is actually the start of the unrealized promise made by KABAM after the 12.0 debacle. Finally open and honest dialogue BEFORE changes have been made. I LOVE this! MORE of this please!!!

Even if you do not agree with the proposed changes or wish they would go farther, you must agree that having the open dialogue and being willing to discuss these future changes and plans is a giant step forward in their communication with the community of players. Again I want to thank KABAM and encourage you to continue with more of this going forward!

Ankalagonn

what about rewards? any buff on the rewards?

Run477

tkt546 wrote: »

If you don’t want people using the same small group of defenders, why do you release the auto-block, control-reversing, potion sucking, defense specific champs. Adding global nodes isn’t going to suddenly make Spider-Gwen a great defender, it’s just going to make the top 5 defenders that much harder.

When they come up with ideas like this, it reinforces my belief that the developers don’t actually play the game.

Erunnu_87

Ha anyone thought about extending fight’s timer? With 5* r5 and 6* r2 in the picture, timing out is becoming more common, only avoidable by using boosts, and 3 minutes aren’t enough to finish a fight

Maldroit2

1. Why introduce conflicting global buffs? Most for the top tier female champs rely on bleed for their damage.
2. How will these global buffs improve defender diversity?
3. Are any specific nodes being adjusted?
4. Will the rewards change?

issamaf80

i see now kabam Want Us to Use Cyclope oh guess what ....... Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr