Kabam Miike wrote: » TheVyrus wrote: » I just do not understand the purpose of this thread. It was presented as an opportunity for the community to DISCUSS possible changes to the AW format. Clearly after 26 pages of conversation the general consensus was this change was not cared for by the players. While some people just screamed about being nerfed and wanting a hand out of some sort, there were many mature responses providing alternative ideas to accomplish the goals Kabam wanted. So why invite the community to participate in this, if you were not going to listen and discuss with us? Clearly there were no intentions of listening, discussing, or changing the plans. I was really hoping, as this was discussed on the boards that Kabam would listen to their customers and at the very least delay their plans and look for an alternative. Instead we were once again ignored and made to waste our time and energy. It is really unfortunate that it went down like this. I love the idea of including the community, but to do that we need to heard and acknowledged. Hey there, Remember, discussion threads are not meant to be only between Summoners and the Game team, but also for summoners to speak to each other! We are aware of how some of you feel, and have said that we're going to continue to monitor this, but we're not going to change anything until you've actually had a chance to experience the Global Rotating buffs. Additionally, remember that while there are about 700 comments, that is far from meaning 700 different people sharing the same opinion, or even 700 different summoners commenting. This thread is a great example of a lot of back and forth between a small group of Summoners, and that's what Forums are for! While it's not safe to say that "everybody liked this change", it's also an exaggeration to say that everybody was against it. Outside this thread, there were other threads started where the sentiment was not very close to what you see here. We've also received a lot of feedback via email and on other channels. We will continue to review all feedback we receive, and appreciate you sharing your thoughts. The Contest is constantly evolving, and this is all a part of us working to keep things fresh while also constantly improving the experience!
TheVyrus wrote: » I just do not understand the purpose of this thread. It was presented as an opportunity for the community to DISCUSS possible changes to the AW format. Clearly after 26 pages of conversation the general consensus was this change was not cared for by the players. While some people just screamed about being nerfed and wanting a hand out of some sort, there were many mature responses providing alternative ideas to accomplish the goals Kabam wanted. So why invite the community to participate in this, if you were not going to listen and discuss with us? Clearly there were no intentions of listening, discussing, or changing the plans. I was really hoping, as this was discussed on the boards that Kabam would listen to their customers and at the very least delay their plans and look for an alternative. Instead we were once again ignored and made to waste our time and energy. It is really unfortunate that it went down like this. I love the idea of including the community, but to do that we need to heard and acknowledged.
TheVyrus wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » TheVyrus wrote: » I just do not understand the purpose of this thread. It was presented as an opportunity for the community to DISCUSS possible changes to the AW format. Clearly after 26 pages of conversation the general consensus was this change was not cared for by the players. While some people just screamed about being nerfed and wanting a hand out of some sort, there were many mature responses providing alternative ideas to accomplish the goals Kabam wanted. So why invite the community to participate in this, if you were not going to listen and discuss with us? Clearly there were no intentions of listening, discussing, or changing the plans. I was really hoping, as this was discussed on the boards that Kabam would listen to their customers and at the very least delay their plans and look for an alternative. Instead we were once again ignored and made to waste our time and energy. It is really unfortunate that it went down like this. I love the idea of including the community, but to do that we need to heard and acknowledged. Hey there, Remember, discussion threads are not meant to be only between Summoners and the Game team, but also for summoners to speak to each other! We are aware of how some of you feel, and have said that we're going to continue to monitor this, but we're not going to change anything until you've actually had a chance to experience the Global Rotating buffs. Additionally, remember that while there are about 700 comments, that is far from meaning 700 different people sharing the same opinion, or even 700 different summoners commenting. This thread is a great example of a lot of back and forth between a small group of Summoners, and that's what Forums are for! While it's not safe to say that "everybody liked this change", it's also an exaggeration to say that everybody was against it. Outside this thread, there were other threads started where the sentiment was not very close to what you see here. We've also received a lot of feedback via email and on other channels. We will continue to review all feedback we receive, and appreciate you sharing your thoughts. The Contest is constantly evolving, and this is all a part of us working to keep things fresh while also constantly improving the experience! I did not say all were against it, I stated the General Consensus. That would just indicate the majority and by reading the posts I feel that is accurate. I also feel that saying you are not going to change or listen until you do the change first goes right along with my original comments of "why present it to us one way and do it another way". More importantly however are the emails and "other channels" of feedback you received. What is the email address and what are the other channels? I would love for a way to reach out more directly than the forums, where I run the risk of violating policies from time to time.
Championcritic wrote: » Again, bleed immune global buffs are only for one season. You'll be able to wreck with bleed champs again next season. Why not bring out that 2/25 or 3/35 non-bleed champ and give yourself a challenge in war for once? You guys that have explored act 5 always said you wanted a new challenge right? here's your chance.
Bodhizen wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » TheVyrus wrote: » I just do not understand the purpose of this thread. It was presented as an opportunity for the community to DISCUSS possible changes to the AW format. Clearly after 26 pages of conversation the general consensus was this change was not cared for by the players. While some people just screamed about being nerfed and wanting a hand out of some sort, there were many mature responses providing alternative ideas to accomplish the goals Kabam wanted. So why invite the community to participate in this, if you were not going to listen and discuss with us? Clearly there were no intentions of listening, discussing, or changing the plans. I was really hoping, as this was discussed on the boards that Kabam would listen to their customers and at the very least delay their plans and look for an alternative. Instead we were once again ignored and made to waste our time and energy. It is really unfortunate that it went down like this. I love the idea of including the community, but to do that we need to heard and acknowledged. Hey there, Remember, discussion threads are not meant to be only between Summoners and the Game team, but also for summoners to speak to each other! We are aware of how some of you feel, and have said that we're going to continue to monitor this, but we're not going to change anything until you've actually had a chance to experience the Global Rotating buffs. Additionally, remember that while there are about 700 comments, that is far from meaning 700 different people sharing the same opinion, or even 700 different summoners commenting. This thread is a great example of a lot of back and forth between a small group of Summoners, and that's what Forums are for! While it's not safe to say that "everybody liked this change", it's also an exaggeration to say that everybody was against it. Outside this thread, there were other threads started where the sentiment was not very close to what you see here. We've also received a lot of feedback via email and on other channels. We will continue to review all feedback we receive, and appreciate you sharing your thoughts. The Contest is constantly evolving, and this is all a part of us working to keep things fresh while also constantly improving the experience! Kabam merges threads all the time. If this thread was THE PLACE TO DISCUSS THE CHANGES OUTLINED BY THE MODERATION TEAM, SET UP BY THE MODERATION TEAM, why was greater deference paid to players who discussed this issue elsewhere? This feels fishy and does not give me faith in this process, let alone the "good faith" assumption of the response from Kabam.
mostlyharmlessn wrote: » Championcritic wrote: » Again, bleed immune global buffs are only for one season. You'll be able to wreck with bleed champs again next season. Why not bring out that 2/25 or 3/35 non-bleed champ and give yourself a challenge in war for once? You guys that have explored act 5 always said you wanted a new challenge right? here's your chance. Well the issue here is that it is for the full season. It's not a rotating buff as is it is called. Many ranked up champs that use bleed and invested heavily into Deep Wounds for the advantage in AW just to get slapped in the face by a global node that neutered those champs. Like I've said it wouldn't be too bad if it was on every other war.
Demonzfyre wrote: » mostlyharmlessn wrote: » Championcritic wrote: » Again, bleed immune global buffs are only for one season. You'll be able to wreck with bleed champs again next season. Why not bring out that 2/25 or 3/35 non-bleed champ and give yourself a challenge in war for once? You guys that have explored act 5 always said you wanted a new challenge right? here's your chance. Well the issue here is that it is for the full season. It's not a rotating buff as is it is called. Many ranked up champs that use bleed and invested heavily into Deep Wounds for the advantage in AW just to get slapped in the face by a global node that neutered those champs. Like I've said it wouldn't be too bad if it was on every other war. Rotating per season. New globals each season.
mostlyharmlessn wrote: » Demonzfyre wrote: » mostlyharmlessn wrote: » Championcritic wrote: » Again, bleed immune global buffs are only for one season. You'll be able to wreck with bleed champs again next season. Why not bring out that 2/25 or 3/35 non-bleed champ and give yourself a challenge in war for once? You guys that have explored act 5 always said you wanted a new challenge right? here's your chance. Well the issue here is that it is for the full season. It's not a rotating buff as is it is called. Many ranked up champs that use bleed and invested heavily into Deep Wounds for the advantage in AW just to get slapped in the face by a global node that neutered those champs. Like I've said it wouldn't be too bad if it was on every other war. Rotating per season. New globals each season. It still seems to be missing the point of rotating. If that is truly the intent it would be after every AW or a week of AW not a full season. Their own statement, no two AW's should be the same. Doing the buff for the entire season means that the entire season will be the same.
Demonzfyre wrote: » mostlyharmlessn wrote: » Demonzfyre wrote: » mostlyharmlessn wrote: » Championcritic wrote: » Again, bleed immune global buffs are only for one season. You'll be able to wreck with bleed champs again next season. Why not bring out that 2/25 or 3/35 non-bleed champ and give yourself a challenge in war for once? You guys that have explored act 5 always said you wanted a new challenge right? here's your chance. Well the issue here is that it is for the full season. It's not a rotating buff as is it is called. Many ranked up champs that use bleed and invested heavily into Deep Wounds for the advantage in AW just to get slapped in the face by a global node that neutered those champs. Like I've said it wouldn't be too bad if it was on every other war. Rotating per season. New globals each season. It still seems to be missing the point of rotating. If that is truly the intent it would be after every AW or a week of AW not a full season. Their own statement, no two AW's should be the same. Doing the buff for the entire season means that the entire season will be the same. @mostlyharmlessn it literally says in the 2nd paragraph of the section about the nodes that its for season 5 and the 2 weeks prior. You are reading to much into what is being said. They spelled it out for you quite clearly several times.
RagamugginGunner wrote: » The bleed immunity is annoying but you can work around it. It's honestly just lazy and I'm sure took almost zero thought to add. My worry is what are they going to pus in next season after seeing that people are still going to use the r5 Blades? I'm also still waiting to hear how adding 5 new mini-bosses and a global node doesn't make AW harder.
RagamugginGunner wrote: » In essence, nothing will actually change except for AW becoming harder and more stressful while the rewards stay the same.