Do do want rank down tickets this December?

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Just STOP already!! Have a LITTLE gratitude and appreciation for all the massive amount of dedication, hard work, and the many improvements Kabam has already made over the past four years! They’ve given us the ability to alter how the game is played, through the devoloper content program, beta, and many other feedback forums.

So much is taken into consideration, done as well as they could, then fixed if needed. No ones perfect though, there will literally never be a game that makes everyone happy. Am I happy with MCOC?? Consedering I’ve been playing four years now, must be doing something right.

Do I “want” rank down tickets? Another yes. Do I NEED rank down tickets.. maybe.. if only because my roster reflects useless champs from a bygone era and my MD was maxed, plus other massive change that would have altered my decision to use precious class cats, yes I feel I may need one or five..

The “rank up 2015 gem” could be made into a “rank down 2016 gem” so it would be used in a more suitable manner for those that actually need it. Not saying it’s a must, because I am happy with this game and do appreciate how much love Kabam is & has shown for its player base.

Thanks for an awesome gift for Xmas, I’ve wanted Taskmaster :-) although.. 4* is like the new 3* so it’s basically a trophy. You could have thrown me Lobo Santa Clause and I would have been just as satisfied.

Maybe a unique champ only available XMas day 24 hour login?? Like a surprise? It’s all up to Kabam though. I hate seeing posts about “nerf this” or “nerfed that” it just freaks me out in a freaky way that’s freakin uncool and freakishly uncalled for so don’t freak out and happy holidays to yahs all.

Rank that down.

Tax

Nice poll. Thanks for posting it. Every other RTD thread pulls the same 6 people out to complain about how stupid RTDs are, should never be allowed, blah, blah. Glad to see a poll where everyone can see how strongly favored RTDs are by the community.

Animejay70

Of course i DO! I don't expect them though.

I'm okay without them.

XxLoganTDCxX wrote: »

What is the point of RDT's? I honestly don't know

You may have been asking a valid question, but this is my sentiment. The game is built around earning, and/or purchasing, Champs and the materials to Rank them. I don't work for Resources just to Rank Champs, so I can take them down again. It's counterproductive. Honestly, we have to live with our choices and move on. If I was waiting on Tickets, I'd never play the game to earn more Resources.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

XxLoganTDCxX wrote: »

What is the point of RDT's? I honestly don't know

You may have been asking a valid question, but this is my sentiment. The game is built around earning, and/or purchasing, Champs and the materials to Rank them. I don't work for Resources just to Rank Champs, so I can take them down again. It's counterproductive. Honestly, we have to live with our choices and move on. If I was waiting on Tickets, I'd never play the game to earn more Resources.

1 - no-one is ranking champs JUST to rank them down again.
2 - NO-ONE in the history of the game has EVER stopped earning ranking resources because they're waiting to use RDTs.
Apart from those two awful, awful statements, you're absolutely right.

EgeC

It's be nice of Kabam if they gift/sell at least ONE rank down ticket so we might have a small opportunity to readjust some champs. This wasn't a good year for the players anyways with multiple issues, lots of items and money spent. I think we deserve one.

Snizzbar wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

XxLoganTDCxX wrote: »

What is the point of RDT's? I honestly don't know

You may have been asking a valid question, but this is my sentiment. The game is built around earning, and/or purchasing, Champs and the materials to Rank them. I don't work for Resources just to Rank Champs, so I can take them down again. It's counterproductive. Honestly, we have to live with our choices and move on. If I was waiting on Tickets, I'd never play the game to earn more Resources.

1 - no-one is ranking champs JUST to rank them down again.
2 - NO-ONE in the history of the game has EVER stopped earning ranking resources because they're waiting to use RDTs.
Apart from those two awful, awful statements, you're absolutely right.

Yet we come here month after month and the requests for Tickets keep coming. Which means people are either Ranking with the expectation of a do-over, or they're focusing more on a fast track than earning them. Choices. We make choices. Then we use those choices to earn more and Rank different Champs. The point is, with the Tickets, you can just bypass weeks and months of playing to earn materials. What's the point of playing? That's my point.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Snizzbar wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

XxLoganTDCxX wrote: »

What is the point of RDT's? I honestly don't know

You may have been asking a valid question, but this is my sentiment. The game is built around earning, and/or purchasing, Champs and the materials to Rank them. I don't work for Resources just to Rank Champs, so I can take them down again. It's counterproductive. Honestly, we have to live with our choices and move on. If I was waiting on Tickets, I'd never play the game to earn more Resources.

1 - no-one is ranking champs JUST to rank them down again.
2 - NO-ONE in the history of the game has EVER stopped earning ranking resources because they're waiting to use RDTs.
Apart from those two awful, awful statements, you're absolutely right.

Yet we come here month after month and the requests for Tickets keep coming. Which means people are either Ranking with the expectation of a do-over, or they're focusing more on a fast track than earning them. Choices. We make choices. Then we use those choices to earn more and Rank different Champs. The point is, with the Tickets, you can just bypass weeks and months of playing to earn materials. What's the point of playing? That's my point.

We get it - you don't agree with RDTs. Lots of us DO want them, for various reasons - hard to get cats can expire, RNG can gut punch you in the face, Kabam can AT ANY TIME change anything they want with the 'meta' of the game.
I have a 5/50 Medusa that I ranked before I got my 5* Medusa. If I'd got the 5* first then naturally I'd have ranked that one first, and having a 5/50 hasn't meant that I've been able to do content that I wouldn't be able to do with a 3/45 Medusa. What's the problem with me reallocating the cats from one to another?

SiriusBreak

@GroundedWisdom - You're saying that as if there'd be an infinite number of RTDs available. 1-2 champs swapped on a roster of 300+ is justifiable in my book. As others also have said, that wouldn't stop the grind for more resources for other champs. Not by a LONGSHOT. Typically I appreciate your perspective and candor. This time, agree to disagree I guess.

Fact remains, some COULD use a couple to make a COUPLE changes. These should NEVER be made readily available. Ever. However, once a year to tweak a couple things??? That's quite justifiable, and more than understandable. To say they shouldn't exist at all is no better than having excessive access to them. In both scenarios there's pitfalls, and problems. There's champs that have LONG past their prime. Is it SO unreasonable to ask for the ability to make a little swap go down resource wise ONCE a year? This would be meeting people in the middle instead of acting as though it serves no purpose at all. Just my 2 cents. Happy Holidays and 4th Anniversary to my fellow MCoC players and the Kabam crew.

What's the problem? Well, there are a number.
1. The game is not designed that way. We don't get to redo Ranking. Progression is one-way.
2. People need to make choices wisely and live with them. They discourage people from learning how to choose wisely and take responsibility for their own reasoning.
3. It contradicts the whole point of the game, which is to earn the Resources needed to Rank, through a number of modes.
4. Once they're given, it just feeds an insatiable expectation to have them, and every excuse is made. The meta, fixes, buffs, rarity of materials, new Champs being introduced, it never ends.
5. It affects the financial aspect of the game because countless earnings are made through people playing game modes to earn Resources. Although not the sole reason, I would be a fool not to acknowledge it as an aspect.

I could probably go on.

Dshu

Snizzbar wrote: »

I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying you are.
It's not asking for 'free stuff'. We want refunds for the hard-earned materials that we spent in good faith on the logical and understandable assumption that champs would be worth the same now as they were when they were ranked up.
Why should we have to live with our choices when Kabam can, and will, at any time make any change to any champ that they want to?

You buy a car today and in a year a better car comes out. Will a dealership give you a refund on your last purchase ? Kabam didn't nerf any champs and returned the resources spent on md if you ranked as mystic simply for defense that was your choice. I'm sure you probably also ranked a blade for attack. People had already found ways around md and the changes did nothing to alter the use of the champ. All the md changes did was give the playerbase what they were screaming for before blade was introduced to the contest. It fixed a mastery that was broken when used on defense. The same argument could be made by anyone who ranked a spiderman for defense since he was destroyed as an aw defender with the venom buff or iwim since people learned how to fight him with his auto block. Life is about making choices and living with those decisions stop begging for rank down tickets to correct your bad choices

Ok I believe I understand now GW. You think the whole point of the game is ranking champs, whereas I think the whole point of the game is completing content. We're coming at it from different angles, and now I can see why we disagree.
You're quite incorrect that the point of the game is ranking champs (clearly it is secondary to content completion), but it certainly explains about 10,000 of your RDT posts.

V1PER1987

I’m more towards the anti RDT side but I could see why a once a year distribution of maybe one ticket is justifiable. There are only so many resources you can earn for rank ups, excluding offers for money. If we just take a look at T2A from permanent content only, you get 4 from Act 4 exploration, 5 from Act 5 completion, 4 from LOL completion, and 8 from LOL exploration totaling 21. Now with those 21 you could choose to have 5 4/55, 1 5/65 and 2 4/55, or 2 5/65. If you obtained these resources and allocated them right away (who wouldn’t unless you have no viable champs to rank), you would be ranking older champs. In Act 4 days you would probably be ranking SL, Magik, Ultron, Antman (thorns defense), Jugg, OG Spiderman, etc. However if you are a new player finishing Act 4 now, you have far better options with new champs. Newer champs are designed with far more utility, abilities, and power than original champs. This puts newer players ahead in progression because they have much better options to rank with Sabretooth, Killmonger, Domino, Ghost, Void, and CAIW. So what are older players supposed to do? Just hold onto resources forever while champs continue to get devalued more and more? When is the “appropriate” time to rank? If everyone knew abilities were going to be more powered up and dwarf any champ we’ve known in the game to date, do you think people would have ranked Juggs, OG Spidey, or any other obsolete defender? Basically people with an R4 Jugg just has wasted resources just sitting collecting dust because Jugg is no longer a good defender. The game is constantly shifting and making older champs obsolete. So what happens to those resources people worked for? They just go to waste? There is basically no incentive to rank champs then because you are always waiting for the next best thing.

Dshu wrote: »

Snizzbar wrote: »

I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying you are.
It's not asking for 'free stuff'. We want refunds for the hard-earned materials that we spent in good faith on the logical and understandable assumption that champs would be worth the same now as they were when they were ranked up.
Why should we have to live with our choices when Kabam can, and will, at any time make any change to any champ that they want to?

You buy a car today and in a year a better car comes out. Will a dealership give you a refund on your last purchase ? Kabam didn't nerf any champs and returned the resources spent on md if you ranked as mystic simply for defense that was your choice. I'm sure you probably also ranked a blade for attack. People had already found ways around md and the changes did nothing to alter the use of the champ. All the md changes did was give the playerbase what they were screaming for before blade was introduced to the contest. It fixed a mastery that was broken when used on defense. The same argument could be made by anyone who ranked a spiderman for defense since he was destroyed as an aw defender with the venom buff or iwim since people learned how to fight him with his auto block. Life is about making choices and living with those decisions stop begging for rank down tickets to correct your bad choices

Close, but not quite. In my case, I took my car in for a service and the mechanic detuned the engine. And then he said I can't sell it and use the money to buy a new car - I have to start saving up all over again. And, in fact, I can NEVER sell another car ever again, so now I've got thirty detuned cars sitting on my front yard doing nothing.

Greifmaster911

Man the anti rdt people seem really salty

10or_Strong

I am definitely on the side here of having RDTs VERY RARELY available for adjustments to a player's roster, such as the once-a-year timeframe that others have said. I by no means think it upsets any balance or status quo in the game, and I hardly look at it as negating the work we all do for limited resources. Like others, I have a few champs that were ranked up early in the game out of necessity. I put the time and effort into getting those resources, and since then, over the years, have had the fortune of acquiring other champs that would help me best progress through the next steps of the game. I don't see why some folks seem to find it so personally offensive that through the use of a limited tool (such as a SINGLE RDT), a player such as myself would like to tweak their roster a bit; if resources were about to expire due to there not being enough capacity in the game to store more, then I feel it's reasonable to hope for a RARE chance to re-purpose those hard-earned resources for something more beneficial when you have the improved roster to do so. I can re-spec my masteries at my convenience (and at times like now, even at no cost for a limited time). How, in my roster of 402 champs, 91 of which are 5* champs, is it a problem for other people if I were to make a shift to 2 champs (1 ranked down and 1 ranked up with those limited resources)?

The anti-RDT attacks tend to get nearly abusive from some users. If you don't agree with the RDTs, fine, but there is a limit to how high-and-mighty you should be getting when attacking other players as lazy when they may have reasonable reasons for their desire to re-use the materials they had worked to earn in the first place.

Austin555555

@Kabam Miike is there possibility that this can happen?

LeNoirFaineant

Honestly I don't care if we get rank downs or not. I would be opposed to a ton of rank downs as this would just be a prestige machine for the top lol. But I don't see the harm in a rank down or two at Christmas and don't really get the strong opposition side.

D_S_

Stop asking already

CapWW2

Yesss i need one badly

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Kb2_4 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

What's the problem? Well, there are a number.
1. The game is not designed that way. We don't get to redo Ranking. Progression is one-way.
2. People need to make choices wisely and live with them. They discourage people from learning how to choose wisely and take responsibility for their own reasoning.
3. It contradicts the whole point of the game, which is to earn the Resources needed to Rank, through a number of modes.
4. Once they're given, it just feeds an insatiable expectation to have them, and every excuse is made. The meta, fixes, buffs, rarity of materials, new Champs being introduced, it never ends.
5. It affects the financial aspect of the game because countless earnings are made through people playing game modes to earn Resources. Although not the sole reason, I would be a fool not to acknowledge it as an aspect.

I could probably go on.

How do rank ups or down affect financial aspects of the game....they dont. You make it seem like the spenders who buy items to rank up champs or pay to get through content first woudlnt still continue to do so. Unless of course you're saying someone would rank down then re rank a different champ for a certain path quest etc etc. The majority wait them. You dont...that's awesome and great for you. I'm proud of you good job on making the best choices all the time. The game is about progression and the rate at which the needed resources to rank up champs isnt very good. That is unless your in a top group that has a stranglehold on the game and just dont want others to gain any ground.

Stop and think of the amount of revenue generated by running game modes for Resources or purchasing them. It's in the thousands, yearly.

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LeNoirFaineant

I'm changing my vote to "yes". I don't really care, but if we get one for Christmas it'll be a blow to the Staunchly Opposed crowd lol

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LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

I'm changing my vote to "yes". I don't really care, but if we get one for Christmas it'll be a blow to the Staunchly Opposed crowd lol

I suppose I would be one of those, but on principle alone. Doesn't affect me personally if people get them. I'll still use mine for Level-Up. Lol. Take down the Champ, Level them again. The bigger issue for me is the other 364 days people ask. XD

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