Hyperion and mordo too overpowered

Why has nothing been done with Hyperion and mordo. They are way to overpowered. They keep merging other champs but have yet to address the 2 worst while killing other champs. Please fix this or I might say fu

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Dusky_Dawn

Mordo and hyperion have one problem. They have power gain. If you have used either, then you know that the fight is always in your favor. You should just bring a power control champ to deal with them. But i do think hyperion needs a power gain timer like mordo

Cuteshelf

We 'might' miss you then.

Morderro

Read that one

Morderro

Why don't you stop complaining and learn to fight them? For hyperion use a power control charecter or a charecter with high attack to end the fight quicker, and for mordo, don't parry stun him, simplementation as that.

Wafflesallday

Mordo isn't that bad at all. At least his power gain stops when you hit him and his specials aren't bad at all anyway.

Hyperion is a huge pain in the ass though. One I hate facing the most
Hood works well against him, for me, but you miss a few power gains and it's Ko

SomeoneElse

I don't have too much trouble with Mordo. The AI blocks too much, and you can abuse that. In fact, he's the only one I use a heavy attack against. All the other champs counter a heavy immediately, making it pretty much worthless.

I don't have trouble with lower level Hyperions because he usually spams his L1. Higher level Hyperions are ridiculous. I was against a 5* duped Hyperion tonight. He was super aggressive, and his power gain seemed to be on almost as much as it was off. I did not even have to bother trying to bait him. He was relentless, and was gaining power constantly.

That's poor game design plain and simple. It's Gaming 101 that High Risk = High Reward and Low Risk = Low Reward. Power gain, especially on this level, is No Risk = High Reward.

High level Visions can suffer from the same problem. If they are very aggressive and won't bait, you aren't left with any options.

DLegend

Wafflesallday wrote: »

Mordo isn't that bad at all. At least his power gain stops when you hit him and his specials aren't bad at all anyway.

Mordo's power gain is activated every 5 seconds and cannot be stopped when Mordo is struck.

SnakeEyes69

Instead of asking for nerfs....LEARN how to fight them!!!

Rotmgmoddy

It's been repeated many times in the past, but I'll say it here too.

Both Mordo and Hyperion's main strength is power gain, in fact, they focus pretty much all their strength on that. If you can cutoff that power gain (such as nullifying it using Dormammu or SW) or prevent them from gaining power (Power locking with SW, Dormammu, Magik, etc.) or drain it (Vision, the other vision, Winter Soldier), they will very easily go down since you just cutoff their main power and strength.

LeNoirFaineant

Wow. Mordo isn't even good on offense. His one strength is D and he's not that hard to fight anymore. He is miles away from being over powered. Hyperion really isn't a good defender. He loves his L1 and L2 so much. Thankfully Kabam doesn't nerf champs every time people who aren't good at the came call for it.

SomeoneElse

Using a strategy that is based on having certain champions is not a valid argument when the game is designed to award champions randomly. If Kabam wanted to create a game with champions that have to be counted by specific other champions, then they should have made a reliable way to get those champions instead of leaving it up to chance.

Some people love to be condescending and dismiss complaints as being the result of not knowing how to play the game well enough. Even the pros say that baiting is not completely reliable. That makes it at least partially based on chance, not on skill.

And I wonder how many people who are against nerfing a clearly god tier champion own him? Maybe their condescension is really just hiding their worry that their OP champions might get nerfed down to a reasonable level and they might actually have to win a fair fight instead of easily rolling over their opponents.

Lagmelongtime

Yes we need AW that we are only allowed to place Spider Gwen, Karnak, Loki, 'Carbage`, khan, and IF. That way everyone can finish war 100% all the time.

LeNoirFaineant

@SomeoneElse you don't need "certain champs" to beat Mordo and Hyperion. I one shot 5* Mordo on left side thorns almost every war with Hulk. He doesn't have any special feature that makes him good against Mordo except class advantage. I beat Hyperion in AW with whoever I happen to be using. Don't have detect cosmic so no way to know it's him. He requires patience because you have to keep letting him spam his L1 and L2 to avoid getting L3ed, although even then as long as you haven't been caught with a heavy hit to give him fury you probably won't die from one L3. They require practice, not special champs. I'm against nerfing any champ right now whether I have them or not because there are no champs that require nerfing. No champ in the game is like SW was. Also Kabam has shown that they often break champs when they nerf them. See Doctor Strange.

Rotmgmoddy

SomeoneElse wrote: »

Using a strategy that is based on having certain champions is not a valid argument when the game is designed to award champions randomly. If Kabam wanted to create a game with champions that have to be counted by specific other champions, then they should have made a reliable way to get those champions instead of leaving it up to chance.

Some people love to be condescending and dismiss complaints as being the result of not knowing how to play the game well enough. Even the pros say that baiting is not completely reliable. That makes it at least partially based on chance, not on skill.

And I wonder how many people who are against nerfing a clearly god tier champion own him? Maybe their condescension is really just hiding their worry that their OP champions might get nerfed down to a reasonable level and they might actually have to win a fair fight instead of easily rolling over their opponents.

Using the fact that every champion must be equal and be available as a counter to every champion is not a valid comeback just because champions are awarded randomly. The game will be very stale. Part of the reason why champions have such different abilities is to invoke strategy. If you don't have said champs, you either aren't ready or you need to find another strategy.

And frankly, I have no Mordo and Hyperion, but I don't support a nerf to them. They are quite balanced, you need to know how to counter them, and with that champions too.

Wafflesallday

DLegend wrote: »

Wafflesallday wrote: »

Mordo isn't that bad at all. At least his power gain stops when you hit him and his specials aren't bad at all anyway.

Mordo's power gain is activated every 5 seconds and cannot be stopped when Mordo is struck.

It's every 8 seconds and once his power gain buff shows up you can stop it by landing a hit on him.

Bouv12

Well to be honest i don't mind it. You have to know there will always be strong and weak champs they can't all be the same level.

PlasmaKing

Nitester wrote: »

Why has nothing been done with Hyperion and mordo. They are way to overpowered. They keep merging other champs but have yet to address the 2 worst while killing other champs. Please fix this or I might say fu

Learn to play them, at first they can be annoying but you can take them down if you learn an stop moaning because it's not easy.

SomeoneElse wrote: »

Using a strategy that is based on having certain champions is not a valid argument when the game is designed to award champions randomly. If Kabam wanted to create a game with champions that have to be counted by specific other champions, then they should have made a reliable way to get those champions instead of leaving it up to chance.

Some people love to be condescending and dismiss complaints as being the result of not knowing how to play the game well enough. Even the pros say that baiting is not completely reliable. That makes it at least partially based on chance, not on skill.

And I wonder how many people who are against nerfing a clearly god tier champion own him? Maybe their condescension is really just hiding their worry that their OP champions might get nerfed down to a reasonable level and they might actually have to win a fair fight instead of easily rolling over their opponents.

There is a wide range of champs now which can take either of these champs on and win, these champs are also very useful against others so there is no specialising. I've been playing this game a very long time what I find frustrating is relative noobs, moaning a nerf calling when they haven't built a strong roster, knowledge or skill yet. If you're heavy 'parry' player these two will hurt you but if you can play less Parry their charging makes them vulnerable. Take the time learn and understand the game don't just expect to beat everything easily, otherwise it's not a challenging game it's dull.

Drizzits

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

Wow. Mordo isn't even good on offense. His one strength is D and he's not that hard to fight anymore. He is miles away from being over powered. Hyperion really isn't a good defender. He loves his L1 and L2 so much. Thankfully Kabam doesn't nerf champs every time people who aren't good at the came call for it.

Haven't played with him very much huh? Every one thinks mordos only real strength is power gain and being pseudo stun immune.
No one takes in to account that he stacks fury and hits like a truck when he does.

A4_Awesome

here is a strategy to fighting mordo.....parry him. wait till the parry is alnost over then hit heavy if he dashes back or ham in and be ready to dex back if he has 2 bars of power

Dusky_Dawn

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

Wow. Mordo isn't even good on offense. His one strength is D and he's not that hard to fight anymore. He is miles away from being over powered. Hyperion really isn't a good defender. He loves his L1 and L2 so much. Thankfully Kabam doesn't nerf champs every time people who aren't good at the came call for it.

Um, i disagree. Mordo is deadly on offense. Just parry, charge the L1, fire it, stun, rinse and repeat. You can just chain degen and stun, so the fight is always in your control

DL864

Dusky_Dawn wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

Wow. Mordo isn't even good on offense. His one strength is D and he's not that hard to fight anymore. He is miles away from being over powered. Hyperion really isn't a good defender. He loves his L1 and L2 so much. Thankfully Kabam doesn't nerf champs every time people who aren't good at the came call for it.

Um, i disagree. Mordo is deadly on offense. Just parry, charge the L1, fire it, stun, rinse and repeat. You can just chain degen and stun, so the fight is always in your control

Yes I agree. Have to be careful about 5 hit combos I usually only do 4. If you are fighting a champ with a lot of buffs soul barb is deadly massive amount of damage and last a while

Dusky_Dawn

@DL864, i suggest you start and end your combo with a medium attack. Makes it much easier to recover and block after the combo

Mystic_Mane

My biggest issue with Mordo is fighting him as an AQ boss. His defensive style makes it very difficult to beat him within a 3 minute time period. Overall he is a much more beatable character than Hyperion.

Hyperion is an absolute monster. Definitely one of the toughest champs to fight. He gains his L3 far quicker than anyone else in the game.

I have to fight Mordo or Hyperion with Magik every time, and even then Hype sometimes gets to an L3 before I can power lock. Because of how much power gain can influence a fight, especially in war, I think a timer for Hyperion's power gain is a decent idea.

Crusher

5* awakened hyperion is much more pain.. Because his buffs duration are very high comparing his 4* version at the same sig lvl...
Nerfing a champ is not a good call if u r having hard time against those...
#VVIP#

SomeoneElse

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

@SomeoneElse you don't need "certain champs" to beat Mordo and Hyperion...

I'm not the one who said that you need certain champions. I replied to someone who did. It is an all too common response to people's questions and complaints to say "just use champion X, Y, or Z." I could spend a year playing this game without getting those champions because the RNG happens to not work in my favor.

Rotmgmoddy wrote: »

Using the fact that every champion must be equal and be available as a counter to every champion is not a valid comeback just because champions are awarded randomly. The game will be very stale. Part of the reason why champions have such different abilities is to invoke strategy. If you don't have said champs, you either aren't ready or you need to find another strategy.

I never once said that every champion must be equal and able to counter every other champion. But the game will become just as stale if everyone plays OP champions because they are so easy and no one plays the under-powered champions. Rebalancing champions is part of the job of a game developer, especially with a roster this large. Newer champions are frequently over-buffed because the attempt to make them cool and exciting goes overboard, and old champions become obsolete because they can't counter any of the newer abilities.

PlasmaKing wrote: »

Learn to play them, at first they can be annoying but you can take them down if you learn an stop moaning because it's not easy.

PlasmaKing wrote: »

There is a wide range of champs now which can take either of these champs on and win, these champs are also very useful against others so there is no specialising. I've been playing this game a very long time what I find frustrating is relative noobs, moaning a nerf calling when they haven't built a strong roster, knowledge or skill yet. If you're heavy 'parry' player these two will hurt you but if you can play less Parry their charging makes them vulnerable. Take the time learn and understand the game don't just expect to beat everything easily, otherwise it's not a challenging game it's dull.

Dismissing people's complaints as being noobish or whiney is deliberately insulting and immature. In fact, if you have bothered to comprehend what I said, my opinion isn't even that far from your own. My complaints about Hyperion are due to the fact that his extreme power gain requires no skill and countering it is only partially based on skill. Your statement that we need to build a stronger roster or more skill becomes invalid when champions are awarded randomly and counters (in this case, baiting) doesn't always work.

I have played against 5* Hyperions who go from less than 1 bar to 3 bars in a matter of seconds. There isn't time to counter that. I have played against 5* Hyperions who will be baited for the first part of a fight and then stop using their abilities until they hit level 3 no matter what I do. I checked the videos done by highly skilled players, and they confirm that baiting is not reliable. No amount of practice is going to help if baiting is at least partly based on a random chance.

Nerfing does not have to mean a straight-up weakening. They can make power gain interruptible like stunning Ultron out of his heal. They can make power gain based on land a special or a combo. They can even make baiting a more difficult skill as long as they make it more reliable.

I never asked for them to make it easy on me. What I am asking for is better balance and more reliability. If I need to learn a skill to beat certain champs, then I need to be able to rely on that skill to work when I execute properly. I should not have to pray to Ar-En-Gee the Great God of Randomness to smile down on me and make my skills trigger the right reaction.

Jabbawokky

They nerfed Scarlet and Strange, why not nerf them as well. If they decide not to nerf their power gain, they return Scarlet and Strange back to God Tier. You currently have champs so powerful now that were nobodies in the comics or where minor characters...ALWAYS (Nightcrawler for ex). Just because they are easy for some of you to fight, alot of others struggle or fail against these champs in AW. Most dont have duped 4/55 or can even get the right champs out of phc

DaMunk

I guess some people just want a bunch of equally boring and weak champs. We've all had opponents that give us trouble. Mordo used to throttle me now he's pretty reasonable. Same with Nightcrawler. That's how you get better, you need challenges.

GroundedWisdom

I don't agree that they're too powerful. They present a challenge. One that takes skill and preparation. We have to have Champs in the game that present a challenge. Otherwise we're playing Pokémon with a bag full of Master Balls.

jeyrey2000

DL864 wrote: »

Dusky_Dawn wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

Wow. Mordo isn't even good on offense. His one strength is D and he's not that hard to fight anymore. He is miles away from being over powered. Hyperion really isn't a good defender. He loves his L1 and L2 so much. Thankfully Kabam doesn't nerf champs every time people who aren't good at the came call for it.

Um, i disagree. Mordo is deadly on offense. Just parry, charge the L1, fire it, stun, rinse and repeat. You can just chain degen and stun, so the fight is always in your control

Yes I agree. Have to be careful about 5 hit combos I usually only do 4. If you are fighting a champ with a lot of buffs soul barb is deadly massive amount of damage and last a while

Also , hold that heavy for 5 seconds and get that 10 fury and watch out. L1 degeneration for between 550-600 damage per tick. plus the stun just roll and repeat and he can finish champs real quick.

Bigdrail93

Why do we want all champs to be push overs? Some champs need to be a challenge. No fun or challenge in running AW when all champs are the same. I hate to say it but some of us just need to learn to fight or find another game.