I can post a video if needed, beat him without any power drain champs without getting touched
I would very much like to see that. As of the moment, I"m in the 'nerf him' camp- I run into him a lot in Arenas, where I don't have a choice of bringing a Power Drain champ to fight him. Very often, he keeps refusing my baits, mostly blocks and powers up to SP3.
If I can learn a way to fight him and bait successfully, that'd be great and much appreciated
So you failed.. that isn't really proof you're right. I just killed a 4* hyperion in t1 war rated over 13k on that same node. He fired lots of specials. Win some lose some.
Sometimes he tosses out specials for free, other times he sits back and reads the paper until he fills up 3 bars. You honestly haven't noticed this?
I've seen him take me directly to level 3 and hit me but that's on me. Sometimes you get unlucky or sometimes you don't bait as well as others. No one fights perfect against a great champ every time. Sometimes stun immune nc or dorm kill me. Sometimes I accidentally parry bpcw with Armor up and he wrecks me and sometimes Hyperion and mordo hit level 3. Normally I do very well in t1 war. Sometimes I mess up but when I do I recognize that it's me and not the champ that need to be addressed or corrected.
Hyperion can't run through content like SW/DS used to be able to. I think many have a problem with the war nodes that increase power gain not the character itself. The character without the power gain node is easy to kill so obviously everyone is complaining about nerfing the wrong thing. Cry about nerfing power gaining nodes in AW instead of the power gaining champs.
You started a post saying this is why Hyp needs a nerf.
Here's a video I made, showing why Hyp doesn't need a nerf
1 word, AWESOME! (I'd say 2 words but I'm probably gonna get flagged for that first word).
I agree, main thing is to power bait. And, while reiterated many times, a good counter to Hyperion can be power drain champs and power lock champs.
- Hawkeye would be a good choice since he power drains and bleeds for his L1.
- Magik is an obvious solution, it's pretty easy to get to special 2 while power baiting and gaining power from MD.
- Visions would be good, but the class disadvantage means you gotta be careful.
- Gwenpool might work, but she only stops the opponent from gaining power from getting hit, so he's still going to gain power from his own power gain. Nonetheless, Gwenpool can inflict strong bleed and kill him quickly.
- Dormammu can power lock with his special 2 (and when imbued is active, can drain Hyperion's power)
- SW can power lock, steal and nullify Hyperion's power gain.
- WS is more based on luck, but if you are lucky, he can continuously drain Hyperion's power
- etc.
So yea, you an see, there are quite a lot of counters to this knock-off superman. You just need to know that some champions do well against other champions, that's what makes this not just a fighting game, but a fighting game with strategy.
You started a post saying this is why Hyp needs a nerf.
Here's a video I made, showing why Hyp doesn't need a nerf
1 word, AWESOME! (I'd say 2 words but I'm probably gonna get flagged for that first word).
I agree, main thing is to power bait. And, while reiterated many times, a good counter to Hyperion can be power drain champs and power lock champs.
- Hawkeye would be a good choice since he power drains and bleeds for his L1.
- Magik is an obvious solution, it's pretty easy to get to special 2 while power baiting and gaining power from MD.
- Visions would be good, but the class disadvantage means you gotta be careful.
- Gwenpool might work, but she only stops the opponent from gaining power from getting hit, so he's still going to gain power from his own power gain. Nonetheless, Gwenpool can inflict strong bleed and kill him quickly.
- Dormammu can power lock with his special 2 (and when imbued is active, can drain Hyperion's power)
- SW can power lock, steal and nullify Hyperion's power gain.
- WS is more based on luck, but if you are lucky, he can continuously drain Hyperion's power
- etc.
So yea, you an see, there are quite a lot of counters to this knock-off superman. You just need to know that some champions do well against other champions, that's what makes this not just a fighting game, but a fighting game with strategy.
I used Hawkeye like I said MANY times in this thread and surprise surprise he didn't work
Good for you, guys who have videos of yourself beating x character. I beat three one and two-noded Hype bosses with SW and was able to bait easily enough. Then one war I practiced another hype boss via duel and literally that jackass stood there with his arms folded no matter what I did and hit L3 twice. Moral of the story is when you need something to happen it usually doesn't, and when you don't need it to happen it does, but it sure happens more often than not with jackass-smirking-arms-folded Hyperion.
Good for you, guys who have videos of yourself beating x character. I beat three one and two-noded Hype bosses with SW and was able to bait easily enough. Then one war I practiced another hype boss via duel and literally that jackass stood there with his arms folded no matter what I did and hit L3 twice. Moral of the story is when you need something to happen it usually doesn't, and when you don't need it to happen it does, but it sure happens more often than not with jackass-smirking-arms-folded Hyperion.
Murphy's Law:
Anything that can go wrong WILL go wrong
Kinda like you need to bait, but Hype doesn't and just stands there arms crossed like:
"Oh it's gonna happen"
And then nails you to the ground with the L3
I can Intercept dashes, respond to evade (mostly), and even bait Spiders and YJ to fully Dex
What I can't do is power drain when I can't fill my special meter without first letting Hype get to 3 bars instantly before I can even get halfway to l1!
I even learned how to bait HEAVY ATTACKS without taking block damage (came in handy for the collector I'll tell you that!)
But again if I can't get to L1 or GOD FORBID L2 like many of the champs people recommend… then yeah free L3 seems cheap!
At least Mordo holds block long enough to cut him off with a heavy attack
Funny I remember people upset back before v12 when others were just cutting through paths and hard content with SW and Thor
This was basically the same response "get better" when back then you could do 10 hit kills to WS in RoL with Thor and SW made EVERYONE die while she had seemingly no issue with killing anyone
Now he takes much longer to kill foes closer to his health and she has a lesser chance in most abilities and barely procs regen anymore
And then there's BW who was partially reduced to arguably below Elektra
And the less said about the good Doctor.S the better
Funny how things change most people are content with the new Thor despite his overall damage being far less but "more reliable" and SW still on top while BW still slaughters her Target Science class. The only Nerf people are still mad about is really DS and that's before those loyal to him used him although a bit differently to preserve his health better…
Even if they reduce or alter his power gains people will STILL stand by him as one of the best champs
You started a post saying this is why Hyp needs a nerf.
Here's a video I made, showing why Hyp doesn't need a nerf
1 word, AWESOME! (I'd say 2 words but I'm probably gonna get flagged for that first word).
I agree, main thing is to power bait. And, while reiterated many times, a good counter to Hyperion can be power drain champs and power lock champs.
- Hawkeye would be a good choice since he power drains and bleeds for his L1.
- Magik is an obvious solution, it's pretty easy to get to special 2 while power baiting and gaining power from MD.
- Visions would be good, but the class disadvantage means you gotta be careful.
- Gwenpool might work, but she only stops the opponent from gaining power from getting hit, so he's still going to gain power from his own power gain. Nonetheless, Gwenpool can inflict strong bleed and kill him quickly.
- Dormammu can power lock with his special 2 (and when imbued is active, can drain Hyperion's power)
- SW can power lock, steal and nullify Hyperion's power gain.
- WS is more based on luck, but if you are lucky, he can continuously drain Hyperion's power
- etc.
So yea, you an see, there are quite a lot of counters to this knock-off superman. You just need to know that some champions do well against other champions, that's what makes this not just a fighting game, but a fighting game with strategy.
I used Hawkeye like I said MANY times in this thread and surprise surprise he didn't work
I mean, you still need to power bait. You can't just go in whacking Hyperion thinking your L1 will constantly keep him away from L3. Technically ANY champ can kill Hyperion, but the list I gave makes fighting him easier.
You started a post saying this is why Hyp needs a nerf.
Here's a video I made, showing why Hyp doesn't need a nerf
1 word, AWESOME! (I'd say 2 words but I'm probably gonna get flagged for that first word).
I agree, main thing is to power bait. And, while reiterated many times, a good counter to Hyperion can be power drain champs and power lock champs.
- Hawkeye would be a good choice since he power drains and bleeds for his L1.
- Magik is an obvious solution, it's pretty easy to get to special 2 while power baiting and gaining power from MD.
- Visions would be good, but the class disadvantage means you gotta be careful.
- Gwenpool might work, but she only stops the opponent from gaining power from getting hit, so he's still going to gain power from his own power gain. Nonetheless, Gwenpool can inflict strong bleed and kill him quickly.
- Dormammu can power lock with his special 2 (and when imbued is active, can drain Hyperion's power)
- SW can power lock, steal and nullify Hyperion's power gain.
- WS is more based on luck, but if you are lucky, he can continuously drain Hyperion's power
- etc.
So yea, you an see, there are quite a lot of counters to this knock-off superman. You just need to know that some champions do well against other champions, that's what makes this not just a fighting game, but a fighting game with strategy.
I used Hawkeye like I said MANY times in this thread and surprise surprise he didn't work
I mean, you still need to power bait. You can't just go in whacking Hyperion thinking your L1 will constantly keep him away from L3. Technically ANY champ can kill Hyperion, but the list I gave makes fighting him easier.
I can power bait basically any champ… EXCEPT him and maybe Mordo
You started a post saying this is why Hyp needs a nerf.
Here's a video I made, showing why Hyp doesn't need a nerf
1 word, AWESOME! (I'd say 2 words but I'm probably gonna get flagged for that first word).
I agree, main thing is to power bait. And, while reiterated many times, a good counter to Hyperion can be power drain champs and power lock champs.
- Hawkeye would be a good choice since he power drains and bleeds for his L1.
- Magik is an obvious solution, it's pretty easy to get to special 2 while power baiting and gaining power from MD.
- Visions would be good, but the class disadvantage means you gotta be careful.
- Gwenpool might work, but she only stops the opponent from gaining power from getting hit, so he's still going to gain power from his own power gain. Nonetheless, Gwenpool can inflict strong bleed and kill him quickly.
- Dormammu can power lock with his special 2 (and when imbued is active, can drain Hyperion's power)
- SW can power lock, steal and nullify Hyperion's power gain.
- WS is more based on luck, but if you are lucky, he can continuously drain Hyperion's power
- etc.
So yea, you an see, there are quite a lot of counters to this knock-off superman. You just need to know that some champions do well against other champions, that's what makes this not just a fighting game, but a fighting game with strategy.
I used Hawkeye like I said MANY times in this thread and surprise surprise he didn't work
I mean, you still need to power bait. You can't just go in whacking Hyperion thinking your L1 will constantly keep him away from L3. Technically ANY champ can kill Hyperion, but the list I gave makes fighting him easier.
I can power bait basically any champ… EXCEPT him and maybe Mordo
He just floats staring at you
Ok, that's one part I can actually partially agree on: Baiting.
Baiting requires skill, and that dominates luck, but the fact still remains that luck is still a factor. I get what you mean, sometimes they are so stubborn and will not pop a special, even if the game registers that the special attack may most likely hit you.
However, I stand by my point: This is why I gave that list. So that worse come to worse, if Hyperion is being stubborn, at least you have slightly more advantage than using just any ordinary champion. Hawkeye can L1 if Hyperion were to go to special 3, buying him slightly more time to try and bait, thus increasing the chances of Hyperion popping his special.
Can we please stop with the Nerf Threads? Lord almighty.
I've made many threads on buffing many weaker champs but HYPERION was a mistake!
That's the contradiction. In one thought you want many Champs buffed. In the same breath you want them nerfed. Some Champs are tougher to some people than others. That's what makes the game a challenge.
It's not an issue of contradiction it's a justification of Balance! A LOT of champs are nearly impossible to use seriously which dilutes the pool of champions that even get used... Hyperion meanwhile is literally the GOD of GODS
The game will never have Champs that are interchangeable 100%, and equally powerful in all areas. That's not balance. That's equilibrium. Hyperion is not insurmountable. Power Control, Nullify, Counterspell,...there are ways around it. Champs have strengths and weaknesses. It's also not reasonable to assume we will never get KO'd. We will fail sometimes. That doesn't mean there is a problem with the design. It means we need a different strategy. Making all Champs equal and interchangeable will take all interest out of the game completely.
... The definition of equilibrium is basically "when things are balanced"... they are synonyms dude.
That being said, Hyperion is strong and hard to deal with, more than a normal champ, but he doesn't need a nerf, perfect balance/"equilibrium" is... well, boring. Some champs will always be harder to deal with than others, always.
You know what go fight the collector if you wanna basically have a 100% MAX CHALLENGE all the time… that's a hard to deal with fight
Hyperion doesn't need the nerf. Ask for the power gain node to be removed or nerfed. AW is not that important anyway. Why nerf someone thats extremely useful in act 5 or in AQ because of AW.
Enough already, yes on the right nodes hyperion can be difficult but that's the point. Yes you will take damage, yes you will use items but overtime you will be able to deal with him reasonably quickly. There are more than just power drain champs which deal with him but yes on certain paths you should be going in with the appropriate champs for that path. This is one of the issues with people being able to progress faster in the game than those who were here at the start, they expect they can get past every champ quickly and easily and have limited appreciation for the roster building and time spent using weaker champs and the time it can take to progress at the different challenges
The fact that everyone defends this u godly bad designed champion mostly for Act5 reasons just shows the bias that blinds them to the issues. HE DOES NOT BAIT! Even piwer control champs are at MAJOR risk due to pushing him to L3 being extremely easy when he almost never baits. The way he's designed with his power gain being 1 of 3 most controversial OP BS things in the game along with Limbo and MD. His AI plays like he's on a defensive mode from Event quests except even Heavy attacks don't work making getting your power meter insanely hard so you can't control his power. Not to that his heavy has such a GOD AWFUL range that makes even blocking halfway across the screen a death sentence.
I don't understand you otter u screech for a good 2 weeks how u felt it was illegal for a champ to be changed due to a bug and how mad u were that the champ u invested in got changed yet proceed to make a thread like this one
Yeah I was furious he was BUGGED! When they finally nerf Hype I'll hope you get compensated!
So its fine for a champ u like to be changed but not when its a champ u dont like seing as u were trying to issue a legal ultamtum before u clearly hated the idea of hom being changed
The fact that everyone defends this u godly bad designed champion mostly for Act5 reasons just shows the bias that blinds them to the issues. HE DOES NOT BAIT! Even piwer control champs are at MAJOR risk due to pushing him to L3 being extremely easy when he almost never baits. The way he's designed with his power gain being 1 of 3 most controversial OP BS things in the game along with Limbo and MD. His AI plays like he's on a defensive mode from Event quests except even Heavy attacks don't work making getting your power meter insanely hard so you can't control his power. Not to that his heavy has such a GOD AWFUL range that makes even blocking halfway across the screen a death sentence.
What if he didn't gain power while blocking?
U litterally got a video of a guy baiting him and beating him with a 2 star yet still call others biased also just saw ur aware if they change his ai to pop more specials then that would be a nerf as all I would have to do is let him get a sp and block
Why not practice against fighting him more and if u truly can't handle might be time to admit to ur self ur not ready for aw r aq and stop doing it till u became a better fighter
3 hits… a full bar in 3 hits baiting doesn't work as 3 hits gives him a FULL BAR here if it wasn't a passive gain he'd be fine but as it's automatic this I LITERALLY BS
i placed my 5/50 sig 60 on that power gain node and he got 0 kills. How? We are tier 2 AW. His Pi had to be over 12k...
I'll tell you how... the enemy knew what node he was facing and brought a champ with a power control skill.. MAGIK.
The fact that everyone defends this u godly bad designed champion mostly for Act5 reasons just shows the bias that blinds them to the issues. HE DOES NOT BAIT! Even piwer control champs are at MAJOR risk due to pushing him to L3 being extremely easy when he almost never baits. The way he's designed with his power gain being 1 of 3 most controversial OP BS things in the game along with Limbo and MD. His AI plays like he's on a defensive mode from Event quests except even Heavy attacks don't work making getting your power meter insanely hard so you can't control his power. Not to that his heavy has such a GOD AWFUL range that makes even blocking halfway across the screen a death sentence.
What if he didn't gain power while blocking?
If you had any skill it wouldn't be a problem. Just because you suck at fighting him doesn't mean he needs to be nerfed. Step your game up and stop whining.
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I would very much like to see that. As of the moment, I"m in the 'nerf him' camp- I run into him a lot in Arenas, where I don't have a choice of bringing a Power Drain champ to fight him. Very often, he keeps refusing my baits, mostly blocks and powers up to SP3.
If I can learn a way to fight him and bait successfully, that'd be great and much appreciated
Sometimes he tosses out specials for free, other times he sits back and reads the paper until he fills up 3 bars. You honestly haven't noticed this?
You started a post saying this is why Hyp needs a nerf.
Here's a video I made, showing why Hyp doesn't need a nerf
1 word, AWESOME! (I'd say 2 words but I'm probably gonna get flagged for that first word).
I agree, main thing is to power bait. And, while reiterated many times, a good counter to Hyperion can be power drain champs and power lock champs.
- Hawkeye would be a good choice since he power drains and bleeds for his L1.
- Magik is an obvious solution, it's pretty easy to get to special 2 while power baiting and gaining power from MD.
- Visions would be good, but the class disadvantage means you gotta be careful.
- Gwenpool might work, but she only stops the opponent from gaining power from getting hit, so he's still going to gain power from his own power gain. Nonetheless, Gwenpool can inflict strong bleed and kill him quickly.
- Dormammu can power lock with his special 2 (and when imbued is active, can drain Hyperion's power)
- SW can power lock, steal and nullify Hyperion's power gain.
- WS is more based on luck, but if you are lucky, he can continuously drain Hyperion's power
- etc.
So yea, you an see, there are quite a lot of counters to this knock-off superman. You just need to know that some champions do well against other champions, that's what makes this not just a fighting game, but a fighting game with strategy.
I used Hawkeye like I said MANY times in this thread and surprise surprise he didn't work
SL takes actual skill
Hyperion is the effortless walk through that got SW, Thor, BW, and DS nerfed in v12!
Murphy's Law:
Anything that can go wrong WILL go wrong
Kinda like you need to bait, but Hype doesn't and just stands there arms crossed like:
"Oh it's gonna happen"
And then nails you to the ground with the L3
I can Intercept dashes, respond to evade (mostly), and even bait Spiders and YJ to fully Dex
What I can't do is power drain when I can't fill my special meter without first letting Hype get to 3 bars instantly before I can even get halfway to l1!
I even learned how to bait HEAVY ATTACKS without taking block damage (came in handy for the collector I'll tell you that!)
But again if I can't get to L1 or GOD FORBID L2 like many of the champs people recommend… then yeah free L3 seems cheap!
At least Mordo holds block long enough to cut him off with a heavy attack
Funny I remember people upset back before v12 when others were just cutting through paths and hard content with SW and Thor
This was basically the same response "get better" when back then you could do 10 hit kills to WS in RoL with Thor and SW made EVERYONE die while she had seemingly no issue with killing anyone
Now he takes much longer to kill foes closer to his health and she has a lesser chance in most abilities and barely procs regen anymore
And then there's BW who was partially reduced to arguably below Elektra
And the less said about the good Doctor.S the better
Funny how things change most people are content with the new Thor despite his overall damage being far less but "more reliable" and SW still on top while BW still slaughters her Target Science class. The only Nerf people are still mad about is really DS and that's before those loyal to him used him although a bit differently to preserve his health better…
Even if they reduce or alter his power gains people will STILL stand by him as one of the best champs
I mean, you still need to power bait. You can't just go in whacking Hyperion thinking your L1 will constantly keep him away from L3. Technically ANY champ can kill Hyperion, but the list I gave makes fighting him easier.
I can power bait basically any champ… EXCEPT him and maybe Mordo
He just floats staring at you
Ok, that's one part I can actually partially agree on: Baiting.
Baiting requires skill, and that dominates luck, but the fact still remains that luck is still a factor. I get what you mean, sometimes they are so stubborn and will not pop a special, even if the game registers that the special attack may most likely hit you.
However, I stand by my point: This is why I gave that list. So that worse come to worse, if Hyperion is being stubborn, at least you have slightly more advantage than using just any ordinary champion. Hawkeye can L1 if Hyperion were to go to special 3, buying him slightly more time to try and bait, thus increasing the chances of Hyperion popping his special.
You know what go fight the collector if you wanna basically have a 100% MAX CHALLENGE all the time… that's a hard to deal with fight
Hyperion is just dirty
My opinion is that Hyperions power gain is overpowered. However, this is a fantastic video showing how to fight him. Very helpful and useful.
What if he didn't gain power while blocking?
So its fine for a champ u like to be changed but not when its a champ u dont like seing as u were trying to issue a legal ultamtum before u clearly hated the idea of hom being changed
U litterally got a video of a guy baiting him and beating him with a 2 star yet still call others biased also just saw ur aware if they change his ai to pop more specials then that would be a nerf as all I would have to do is let him get a sp and block
i placed my 5/50 sig 60 on that power gain node and he got 0 kills. How? We are tier 2 AW. His Pi had to be over 12k...
I'll tell you how... the enemy knew what node he was facing and brought a champ with a power control skill.. MAGIK.
If you had any skill it wouldn't be a problem. Just because you suck at fighting him doesn't mean he needs to be nerfed. Step your game up and stop whining.