Misleading abilities: RDT

Yeah so the wording on Hood's abilities NEVER indicated a 1-limit to his Stagger and the fact that the old one being removed forms count towards his siphon is VERY misleading

I was planning on using him for longer quests because of his regen but as it stands he's a subpar damage junkie only really good for the L1 shock but if that's the case is much rather have Jane Foster as her shocks are roughly the same plus as she's Duped she's gets massive damage just by using parry.

If I could get a RDT to fix this that'd be great as the text is VERY misleading

Comments

Viper1987

That's the fun thing about Kabam. With Dexterity it counts as an expiration even though nothing really expires. However with Hood it's more of a refresh than an expiration. Loose interpretations is what it's all about.

danielmath

Crazy to see you complaining about something! Do you need a RDT for x-23 cause it doesn't say 5 bleeds max? Or for star lord cause it doesn't say you can't have multiple furies?

Qwerty

You could have figured that out before ranking so...

Sungj

Or you just do the smart thing and test out a champion before you rank him up. Hood is still a good champion he has the evade utility when invisible, fate steal, stun and more. Theres a lot of champions that don't specify limits to their debuffs and buffs and just refreshes like moon knight's bleed, many champion's fury, magik's power lock debuff, X-23 regen etc thats why you play a champion before you make the decision to rank him to rank 4 and 5. It is well known in the community that his regen is next to useless and it's not kabam's fault you were misinformed there is nothing in that description that directly leads you to think his stagger doesn't stack but there is also nothing in the description that directly leads you to think it does stack so stop complaining and accept you didn't have a good enough of grasp on the champion before you ranked him up.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

It was your mistake only. You should have tested him before ranking him up.
Nothing to do here

Mr_Otter

I used him vs Heavy buff reliant champs and I never actually had a chance to stack multiple staggers cause they'd constantly stagger

Go to test his 4/40 in RoL and WS doesn't give him any regen

SomeoneElse

LOL. Almost every topic has to have its kids hurling insults. Guess it makes them feel good even though it's completely pointless.

Better explanations on some of these abilities would be appreciated. It's not required to play the game. It's just a nice-to-have.

GroundedWisdom

If it doesn't say they stack, then they don't stack. Definitely not a need for RDT's. Nothing has been changed about him. The Tickets are for major changes to Champs (nerfs). Not misinterpretation. The game team can't be blamed for every problem we face, especially when it's our own perception.

Mr_Otter

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

If it doesn't say they stack, then they don't stack. Definitely not a need for RDT's. Nothing has been changed about him. The Tickets are for major changes to Champs (nerfs). Not misinterpretation. The game team can't be blamed for every problem we face, especially when it's our own perception.

But literally ANY Debuff stacks aside from Resonate which is purely a balance and X23 which is just common knowledge

Hood is still really new and as such very few people actually discuss him. But used against champs like Hulk, CWBP, and others just keeping up with the normal flow was still allowing major gaps in Stagger and keeping track of the opponent like "oh they have armor or fury" this enemy must be having better RNG with their abilities than j have with Stagger

Then I go to test the 4/40 in RoL and what a surprise mid way through L2 animation I noticed… "huh only one? WHY IS MY HEALTH SO LOW?!" And actually looking more at the Stagger (a wonderful way to die btw) omg it doesn't stack

Most older champs are limited in Fury or Crit buffs (like Gamora's Cruelty) but never for debuffs like Stagger from Juggs/Jane or even fatigue/weakness from Fixit. Hood is from February and that was around when champs were consistently getting more complex and more powerful so without the disclaimer

"Warning this ability DOES NOT STACK"

It's like HUH?!

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Not every buff or debuff stack ... Characters have their limitations.
And before creating more non sense threads, War machine can't stack more than 5 bleeds in the sp1, elektra can't stack more than 2 bleeds on sp1/sp2 (two different bleeds), agent venom can't stack more than 1 bleed bla bla bla.
Don't go on saying "oh this is bug" without knowibg anything. At least ask it ..

Mr_Otter

eXtripa69 wrote: »

Not every buff or debuff stack ... Characters have their limitations.
And before creating more non sense threads, War machine can't stack more than 5 bleeds in the sp1, elektra can't stack more than 2 bleeds on sp1/sp2 (two different bleeds), agent venom can't stack more than 1 bleed bla bla bla.
Don't go on saying "oh this is bug" without knowibg anything. At least ask it ..

1. Isn't WM a 5 hit from the L1 anyways or maybe 6 but RNG states the odds are very low? That one isn't a big deal... RNG messes with every champs max potential
2. Probs because it ties into her AAR and the devs are stupid like with x23 and couldn't processes her applying multiple bleeds
3. His L1 and L2 are only SUPPOSED to cause 1 bleed each

And if these truly ARE bugs then bring them up! Either get Kabam to clearify it on champ text to prevent cases like this or make them stack… simple! But most of them don't have such a USELESS "limit/bug" or whatever it is like Hood who loses his entire sustainability because of it

Dakine86

I'll just leave this here for a few...

Qwerty

Mr_Otter wrote: »

eXtripa69 wrote: »

Not every buff or debuff stack ... Characters have their limitations.
And before creating more non sense threads, War machine can't stack more than 5 bleeds in the sp1, elektra can't stack more than 2 bleeds on sp1/sp2 (two different bleeds), agent venom can't stack more than 1 bleed bla bla bla.
Don't go on saying "oh this is bug" without knowibg anything. At least ask it ..

1. Isn't WM a 5 hit from the L1 anyways or maybe 6 but RNG states the odds are very low? That one isn't a big deal... RNG messes with every champs max potential
2. Probs because it ties into her AAR and the devs are stupid like with x23 and couldn't processes her applying multiple bleeds
3. His L1 and L2 are only SUPPOSED to cause 1 bleed each

And if these truly ARE bugs then bring them up! Either get Kabam to clearify it on champ text to prevent cases like this or make them stack… simple! But most of them don't have such a USELESS "limit/bug" or whatever it is like Hood who loses his entire sustainability because of it

the trouble is this has nothing to do with it being or not being a bug, this is you QQ'ing about something you were uninformed about due to your own ignorance and wanting RDTs. you messed up, kabam isn't going to fix that for you.

Jmoneysteck

i rately check the forums but whenever i do its this guy complaining about something

MegaSkater67

It's really starting to feel like you're complaining just for the sake of complaining. Hoods stagger doesn't stack, it isn't a bug and the majority of people already know this. Asking for rank down tickets because you haven't tried a champ out before upgrading is just crazy. Hood is not a bad champion and stagger is only one of his abilities. Most of the text is fine as it is, the spotlights sometimes have a couple of other details and mod answers from any questions people have had. Other than that it's not hard to just go into the game and use that champion on some easier quests or vs or even duels and just see how they work. You can't expect to know absolutely everything from reading text. You learn and discover new strategies by facing them or playing as them and if you'd played just a few games with hood before upgrading him you would have seen that the stagger does not stack.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Mr_Otter wrote: »

eXtripa69 wrote: »

Not every buff or debuff stack ... Characters have their limitations.
And before creating more non sense threads, War machine can't stack more than 5 bleeds in the sp1, elektra can't stack more than 2 bleeds on sp1/sp2 (two different bleeds), agent venom can't stack more than 1 bleed bla bla bla.
Don't go on saying "oh this is bug" without knowibg anything. At least ask it ..

1. Isn't WM a 5 hit from the L1 anyways or maybe 6 but RNG states the odds are very low? That one isn't a big deal... RNG messes with every champs max potential
2. Probs because it ties into her AAR and the devs are stupid like with x23 and couldn't processes her applying multiple bleeds
3. His L1 and L2 are only SUPPOSED to cause 1 bleed each

And if these truly ARE bugs then bring them up! Either get Kabam to clearify it on champ text to prevent cases like this or make them stack… simple! But most of them don't have such a USELESS "limit/bug" or whatever it is like Hood who loses his entire sustainability because of it

Oh okay ... You didn't get it ...
You're wrong.

War machine can only apply 5 bleeds max per special 1. If you use 2x sp1 , the bleed will be only 5, not 6 or higher. Its a cap, not a bug.
Elektra same thing. Agent venom same thing.
Kabam already clarified them all in the past. Nothing to do here

Mr_Otter

Sheesh people don't listen… I tried him out he worked fine then I try him again and turns out it didn't work as it appeared due to the interconnected tangled mess of SUBTEXT that magically allows Drax to hit Mordo… but abomination can't make the enemy get poisoned by making his fist contact the enemies face… this game goes out of its way to confuse the players half the time

I'm still trying to figure out the diff between Spirt Venom and Poison.

I'm expecting for a champion that can bleed bleed-immune champs with a special "Magic bleed" more and more as time goes on only for a bug to spread it to all bleeds

danielmath

You were able to get multiple staggers when you 1st tried him? That's interesting, I never had that no fair!

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Drax Vs Mordo is a bug to his moveset. That's a real bug!

Mr_Otter

danielmath wrote: »

You were able to get multiple staggers when you 1st tried him? That's interesting, I never had that no fair!

No I mostly used him vs champs that would proc armor and fury a lot more often than I COULD stack Stagger

So this is why I'm surprised they don't stack

It's like learning GR can't use multiple bleeds from M-LL-LL but at least that is hinted at from his text as a side-effect of judgments which also don't stack.

The difference however is people DONT TALK about Hood. "GR IS AMAZING" nonstop but no one talks about hood like, EVER

Eb0ny-O-M4w

People talked about hood. Why talk about him AGAIN?
This was already clarified. Hood is working as intended

Etaki_Lirakoi

eXtripa69 wrote: »

Drax Vs Mordo is a bug to his moveset. That's a real bug!

I don't think that's a bug anymore man, the dev team literally used it as a reason why Vulture doesnt do good against Drax.

GroundedWisdom

Mr_Otter wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

If it doesn't say they stack, then they don't stack. Definitely not a need for RDT's. Nothing has been changed about him. The Tickets are for major changes to Champs (nerfs). Not misinterpretation. The game team can't be blamed for every problem we face, especially when it's our own perception.

But literally ANY Debuff stacks aside from Resonate which is purely a balance and X23 which is just common knowledge

Hood is still really new and as such very few people actually discuss him. But used against champs like Hulk, CWBP, and others just keeping up with the normal flow was still allowing major gaps in Stagger and keeping track of the opponent like "oh they have armor or fury" this enemy must be having better RNG with their abilities than j have with Stagger

Then I go to test the 4/40 in RoL and what a surprise mid way through L2 animation I noticed… "huh only one? WHY IS MY HEALTH SO LOW?!" And actually looking more at the Stagger (a wonderful way to die btw) omg it doesn't stack

Most older champs are limited in Fury or Crit buffs (like Gamora's Cruelty) but never for debuffs like Stagger from Juggs/Jane or even fatigue/weakness from Fixit. Hood is from February and that was around when champs were consistently getting more complex and more powerful so without the disclaimer

"Warning this ability DOES NOT STACK"

It's like HUH?!

You need a disclaimer to understand that a Champ doesn't stack? No. Not all Debuffs stack. It usually indicates in the description whether they do or not, and what their limitations are. There's also the Forum, where you can read about Champs and what their limitations are. The Hood doesn't have sustainable Regen. He has a combination of other Abilities that make him quite viable when looking at the entire picture. Then there's the age-old tradition of testing a Champ thoroughly before you Rank them or take them into harder content. We can't ask them to buff every Champ in our Roster based on our challenges, nerf the hard ones, and give RDT's because our Ranking choices aren't a go-to for everything. You have some good ideas about Champs, and you also have a general discontent about a majority of them. There is alot that goes into making a Champ. It has to fit within the structure of the game, while still being balanced. Changes come after much forethought. Feel free to share your ideas. I just think your expectations are not based in reality. That's my opinion.

Mr_Otter

@GroundedWisdom

You'd not BELEIVE the horror stories I've heard.
People generally can't REALLY test a champ even in Masters sometimes so they have to resort to like RoL or Act 4-5 and both of those are skewed one way or the other unless you wanna commit to a LOOOOOONG path in story, so go to Maestro and his Degen L1 they mess up slightly and die…

And duels really only have 2 settings being Skirmish and sparring which again both kinda skewer the results as dim returns makes

Some people have tried using arena but to get a "slightly" stronger champ usually you have to either start an infinite (especially when going for repeated tries) and then you have to use refills on him and mix the other 2 hoping to find a diverse roster to put him against while also making sure at least 2 win so you get to keep the infinite which costs units to refill the single champ

It's VERY hard to find ways to test all contingencies that is fair to what's often a 3/30 especially vs newer champs as they are harder to find except in those high 5* duels or master/Act5 which…

We just need some clarity
Heck I'd be down for making
"if Drax starts a combo with a medium attack the first hit CANNOT be evaded"

Just the most annoying thing is finding all the nuance in especially the newer champs like ANYONE past civil war event

GroundedWisdom

Mr_Otter wrote: »

@GroundedWisdom

You'd not BELEIVE the horror stories I've heard.
People generally can't REALLY test a champ even in Masters sometimes so they have to resort to like RoL or Act 4-5 and both of those are skewed one way or the other unless you wanna commit to a LOOOOOONG path in story, so go to Maestro and his Degen L1 they mess up slightly and die…

And duels really only have 2 settings being Skirmish and sparring which again both kinda skewer the results as dim returns makes

Some people have tried using arena but to get a "slightly" stronger champ usually you have to either start an infinite (especially when going for repeated tries) and then you have to use refills on him and mix the other 2 hoping to find a diverse roster to put him against while also making sure at least 2 win so you get to keep the infinite which costs units to refill the single champ

It's VERY hard to find ways to test all contingencies that is fair to what's often a 3/30 especially vs newer champs as they are harder to find except in those high 5* duels or master/Act5 which…

We just need some clarity
Heck I'd be down for making
"if Drax starts a combo with a medium attack the first hit CANNOT be evaded"

Just the most annoying thing is finding all the nuance in especially the newer champs like ANYONE past civil war event

There's an entire game worth of content to test. Besides that, there is YouTube and the Forum, both of which have feedback from people that test Champs as they come out. It's not that hard to see if the Stagger stacks or not.

danielmath

Realm is a PERFECT testing ground. There's no SP3 so you don't have to worry about dying or anything.

Qwerty

Mr_Otter wrote: »

danielmath wrote: »

You were able to get multiple staggers when you 1st tried him? That's interesting, I never had that no fair!

No I mostly used him vs champs that would proc armor and fury a lot more often than I COULD stack Stagger

So this is why I'm surprised they don't stack

It's like learning GR can't use multiple bleeds from M-LL-LL but at least that is hinted at from his text as a side-effect of judgments which also don't stack.

The difference however is people DONT TALK about Hood. "GR IS AMAZING" nonstop but no one talks about hood like, EVER

i don't believe you. in a 5 hit combo you can cast stagger and refresh it twice (3 instances of stagger) without much trouble. who are you fighting who's getting 3 buffs while being hit 5 times?

if you bothered to do a 10-20 hit streak, you'd find out pretty easily that his stagger does not stack.

phillgreen

Either research your rank up choices or suck up the result if you don't like what you're getting. Its not hard to test with 3* or rank 1 guys before committing resources either.

Yellsome

Guys..a simple question..it says mordo"s ability accuracy cannot be reduced..his stun immunity is an abiltity so how can drax bypass it?

Etaki_Lirakoi

Yellsome wrote: »

Guys..a simple question..it says mordo"s ability accuracy cannot be reduced..his stun immunity is an abiltity so how can drax bypass it?

Drax bypasses it because of his double hit, ignoring astral evade because of the mechanics, not accuracy reduction.