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Doc. Oc. Say hi to new "TECH" champ
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science is a class that desperately needs a new exciting champ, and they missed an opportunity here.
Well you look at Falcon and the you look at Green Goblin
Falcon relies on guns, a drone, and a MECHANICAL WINGS to fight so he relies heavily on tech
Nope skill
Green Goblin took a serum (very similar to Captain America) to become much more intelligent, stronger and peak human condition so. Using bombs and a glider are just his motif… his "powers" come from the serum and Captain America has skills and Falcon has tech so surely GG will be…
Oh tech? Didn't we already have 7 others this year counting Doc Ock? 8 others counting Howard the duck in December? And it's almost a year since our last Science? AND we already had a Tech class Norman Osborn specifically in a Stolen Stark Armor? Nonono it's cool… yeah I saw Ock's cool MECHANICAL arms that are his powers…
I'm gonna go cry in the corner
I'm talking about their abilities, not history or past. Game abilities
Blue Goblin.
To be honest, either side has its own arguements, some champs had the decisions made on background, some on the game mechanics givin to the champ. I just think Goblin shoulda been science.
According to game abilities almost every champ is skill because everyone give punch and kicks and jumps.
And the Science class shouldnt exist because nobody is doing "potions" attacks or whatever.
Looks at Cap America, he is a Skill sometimes punching with a Shield.
Or maybe he's tech because he use an Adamantium? Shield as Blue Goblin use bombs.
How do doctor oc's abilities insinuate in any way that he is tech all of his abilities are based on fields of SCIENCE. Physics, chemistry and biology clearly suggest science, there's barely any tech based abilities in the character at all. I'm fine with doc oc being tech since that represents the actual character the best but please have accurate information when trying to argue on the forums it just makes you look very uninformed and people can't take your argument seriously.
The majority of his moves in The Contest rely on his mechanical Tentacles. That would be my assumption.
Once again, game abilities. Those words related to science are just that, words.
Lifesteal, power drain, armor, etc ... They don't belong to the science class. That's why it makes sense for him to be tech.
I know what i'm talking about
I know I'm not complaining about him being tech I think it suits the character better I was just pointing out that commenter's flaws in his argument when he said solely that based on abilities he should be tech when his actual abilities are written as science like abilities
sounds good, im adding him to the calc as "bluegoblin"
#sciencepleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaase
There is no general rule that the majority of champions follow that the majority of their "moves" is consistent with their class. Most of the "moves" across all champions in all classes is punching and kicking. With hands and feet.
I can buy Green Goblin being tech, because taken as a whole the majority of his combat capability as represented in the game is rooted in technological tools. Based on the limited information I have on Doc Oc, that's not true. His signature abilities which I would weight strongly overall appear unambiguously Science based.
That's just lazy, because there are ways to represent what they were trying to go for in technological terms - R&D is the applied sciences of technology and there are ways to use R&D concepts in place of pure scientific ones. This problem was an avoidable one.
So what do you see the way "Falcon" fights or agent venom?
Well actually I was surprised when he was released as skill (just like Moon Knight) - but I'm OK with it. A lot of these champs can swing either way. In my mind Rocket should probably be science and Quake cosmic. It doesn't bother me that much.
Both should've been Science champions.
Science and Technology are not the same thing. All technology operates under scientific principles, but that's because all of everything other than magic operates under scientific principles. All skill operates under scientific principles. That doesn't mean Skill and Science are the same thing in this context.
Scientific understanding can fuel technological progress, and technology can expand the realm of scientific inquiry that people can perform. But they are not synonymous with each other. There is technology without science. The wheel, the use of fire, the original invention of stone tools are all technological innovations with no real scientific inquiry or process, not even primitive informal scientific inquiry. In the modern world, advances in technology come from a better understanding of how things work which is fueled by science, and scientific investigation expands its reach with better observational tools which is fueled by technology, which can make them seem to be the same thing. But it is more correct to state that they are symbiotically related rather than identical twins.