Wolverine X23 has a secret cruelty and bleed cap of 5

Time4ASpankingTime4ASpanking Member Posts: 199 ★
edited April 2019 in General Discussion
https://youtu.be/t-YsscN2JVY

Pasted the wrong video originally, kudos to the person that caught that and lol'd the thread

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  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,093 ★★★★★
    She is an older champion, and those abilities where cap when released
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Its not secret, they have talked about that, they felt she was over powered without a cap
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  • Sixshot1Sixshot1 Member Posts: 459 ★★
    X_Factor_Agent said:

    Yeah
    X23 has insane bleeds. Though I'd love if she didn't have a cap, it would probably be too much with max suicide masteries.

    Nah, not in the current state of the game, with more powerful champs everywhere.

    But on release? Certainly. She's suffering from a cap that was nevessary at the time of release. Similar to xpool deadforce and his single stack bleed.

    X-23 is still a pretty strong champ by most metrics though, so I doubt she's on the short list to get buffed.
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★
    It’s totally not a secret mate it’s written on her description that bleed/cruelty stack up to a maximum of five. She would be outrageous powerful if the time was released could stack more. Unfortunately kabam did it later and released game destroying champs (more characteristic example is blade and his silly synergies) that made others look like clowns. And then guess what: the community asked the older weaker champs to be buffed. And the game team did, but new game destroyers appeared (like Corvus) and the need to buff older champs is here again and the story goes on and on like this...
  • BromegaBromega Member Posts: 65 ★
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    Time4ASpanking said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Well ... yes... ?
    It's not anything new. Almost every champ has a cap on the number of buffs/debuffs it can proc, and that number isn't on the abilities list

    I've gone way over 5 bleeds with gwenpool and archangel, why should it stop with x23 without it being mentioned?
    It’s been mentioned. Kabam has acknowledged that was part of her original design.
  • SungjSungj Member Posts: 2,113 ★★★★★
    This thread belongs in 2017
  • Troy_Elric123Troy_Elric123 Member Posts: 542 ★★★
    Yes it is annoying while GP can stack 8+
  • Time4ASpankingTime4ASpanking Member Posts: 199 ★
    Greekhit said:

    It’s totally not a secret mate it’s written on her description that bleed/cruelty stack up to a maximum of five. She would be outrageous powerful if the time was released could stack more. Unfortunately kabam did it later and released game destroying champs (more characteristic example is blade and his silly synergies) that made others look like clowns. And then guess what: the community asked the older weaker champs to be buffed. And the game team did, but new game destroyers appeared (like Corvus) and the need to buff older champs is here again and the story goes on and on like this...

    " Critical Hits lacerate opponents with an 80% chance inflicting 1440.95 bleed damage over 5 Seconds.

    Against naturally bleed immune Champions Wolverine changes her fighting style, gaining cruelty Buffs in place of her bleed effects increasing critical damage rating by 145.92 for 7.75 seconds."

    It's not in her description, I wouldn't have posted this if it were
  • _Kill_Switch__Kill_Switch_ Member Posts: 275 ★★
    Many champs have capped abilities/debuffs/buffs. Some would be too OP without them. That said, I agree its unfair to keep X23 at 5 with the excuse that she'd be OP when champs like Gwenpool, Domino & Nick Fury exist in the game now.
  • IKONIKON Member Posts: 1,360 ★★★★★
    I swear I recall reading it in her description at some point in the past. Same with Moonknight being capped at 1 bleed, but not in the description either.
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  • winterthurwinterthur Member Posts: 8,127 ★★★★★
    edited April 2019
    Mod confirmation of bleed stack here.


  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★
    IKON said:

    I swear I recall reading it in her description at some point in the past. Same with Moonknight being capped at 1 bleed, but not in the description either.

    I can swear the same mate.Back in time when I acquired my 4* x23 it was written on her description that bleed/cruelty stacks were capped at five.
  • HaminHamin Member Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    Secret as in always.
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Member Posts: 2,415 ★★★★★
    Hamin said:

    Secret as in always.

    Why don't they keep it simple and put it her abilities rather than depending on tribal knowledge and forum lurkers to get basic information disseminated? Being obscure info since introduction doesn’t magically make it obvious to new players and people that don't lurk on the forums.
  • HaminHamin Member Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    BigPoppaCBONE said:

    Hamin said:

    Secret as in always.

    Why don't they keep it simple and put it her abilities rather than depending on tribal knowledge and forum lurkers to get basic information disseminated? Being obscure info since introduction doesn’t magically make it obvious to new players and people that don't lurk on the forums.
    /shrug

    Just saying it's not a secret.
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Member Posts: 2,415 ★★★★★
    Hamin said:

    BigPoppaCBONE said:

    Hamin said:

    Secret as in always.

    Why don't they keep it simple and put it her abilities rather than depending on tribal knowledge and forum lurkers to get basic information disseminated? Being obscure info since introduction doesn’t magically make it obvious to new players and people that don't lurk on the forums.
    /shrug

    Just saying it's not a secret.
    That's probably a poor word choice. Not so much "Shh! Don't tell" and more "Hey! That's not in her profile".
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,187 Guardian
    Is the max of 5 stacks vs the unreachable 6 or 7 stacks gonna really make a difference between whether someone would want to use her or not ? And since it sounds like any extra bleeds end up as a refreshed stack (replacing the soonest-to-expire Bleeds), you’ll still be pretty sure of continuing the 3+ stacks trigger that cause guaranteed Critical Hits.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,186 ★★★★★
    Haji_Saab said:

    They should put it in description as only a small percentage visits the forum.

    Imagine how hard this game must be for those not on the forum, or for those in a casual alliance that doesn't micromanage every aspect of it.

    The flow of information is basically dead ingame.

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  • Mrspider568Mrspider568 Member Posts: 2,007 ★★★
    Even with og wolverine also same case he does 4 stacks of bleed AMD has a chance to get double regeneration buffs when awakened cup check !!!
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  • roberto94roberto94 Member Posts: 779 ★★
    She’s capped because she inflict too much bleed debuffs thanks to her signature ability that increase her critical damage the more level she has something like that. So she’s actually the best bleeders if she wasn’t capped.
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