Class and Rarity Gates - Discussion Thread

Hey All,

We've just announced the newest addition to the Contest that will be coming in Act 6 Chapter 2! Learn all about Class and Rarity gates here, and then ask any questions you may have and discuss with your fellow Summoners in this thread!

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Gamer

@xNig your a beta tester Ikow you end gamer but wouldn’t you also won’t you stil stil se the furture with you rank5 5 star you work with ther just gone now.

TaZ_4178

we still have two more weeks of poop to go.
You must round down... There are 20 days left so 3 more weeks of this EndGame content.... Everything done except the weekly released stone quests and 100% exploration of beginner/normal. Rewards have be extremely minimal and the content extremely a bore this go.

100% agree with you as I am in the same boat... literally just waiting on the next event...

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Suros_moon

These gates and decisions like these will be the death of this game
They said that after 12.0 so....

They also caved and compensated after 12.0 so false equivalency

TaZ_4178

So.... you said 5* and 6* shards have never been more accessible. I’m curious to what you are referring too?
I assume they are referring to the fact that it is easier to earn 5* and 6* shards now than at any other time in the past. If you can point to a time in the past when they were more available, I'd like to know when that was.

It is true that quest rewards haven't been updated since Uncollected was introduced in December of 2017. However, war rewards were updated with the introduction of seasons, alliance quest rewards have been increased multiple times including both glory rewards and the ability to buy 5* and 6* shards with glory. And the special events that come along seem to contain a literal fountain of 5* shards at least more than half the time. They also added 5* shards to the calendar to fill out the last few days. And that's on top of the increased ability to earn shards from the restructured arenas.

Some people will say that some of these things happened a while ago and not recently. But that's the entire point: as far back as you can go, there have been small but significant increases added to the game. Some recent, some further back, some even further back, because this keeps getting ratcheted upward. A slow but continuous ratchet upward is not going to have a huge number of increases all at once, it will have them spaced out over time, and at no time will there be a huge increase, but at no time will there be no increase for a long time either.
That’s the problem. The msg the game team send out was to sais it becomes more common with is a bit of a lie. All depending of your luck in the game.
Availability has nothing to do with luck. It is easier to get 5* and 6* champs now than in the past. That is not a bit of a lie, that is the absolute truth.

Your right, but unfortunately it depends on the month. For example, take this month compared to the human torch side quest month. It's all relative to the month and the missions but overall all they need to do is buff the eq events and difficulty if necessary and just add more shards... problem kinda solved lol

Demonzfyre

Well great job for listening to the community about the gate of no 4*'s in 6.1.
*Dev team* "let's gate 6.2!
Honestly I respect your transparency about this before release but listening to the community is certainly not your strongest attribute here.
As for the more availability of 5/6* shards in content.. Have you no data on the last 4 weeks????
I'm genuinely curious as this event has been God awful in rewards and we still have two more weeks of poop to go.
In all honesty the gate does not effect me to much as I'll still be able to complete it, just not explore. But the reasoning behind this is almost delusions of grandeur.
In their defense, the community is extremely short-sided and wrong in almost every situation (at least the majority)
Since my phone claims your comment was approved via the over lords... I'll simply say wtf are you talking about? I will give you the reward for Troll post of 2019 though! Great job, now stand up and take a bow!
He isn't terribly wrong. The majority of the player base overreacts with every announcement unless it involves free stuff. Then tends to shut up once the content is released or changes made and because they realize it wasn't what they thought it was.
Wrong. When the content is released there is no chance Kabam is going to make changes to it, so why would we waste our energy? And when changes are made before it releases people usually are happy with what is being changed (Like the Gifting Badge compenastion or the discussion about removing diversity).
None of those two scenarios you´ve created imply that there is an overreaction. This is a forum, it´s meant to be a place where the community can exchange their feelings about the game. And when someone does not like a certain decision, they should say exactly that. There are some overreactions, ideed (Namesless Thanos) but this certainly isn´t one. The majority of the people who dislike the new gates have valid points.

Weird that you say they don't change content after release.... They nerfed the Save the Battlerealm quest to where now it's not even a challenge even on epic. Yes it was too high but they lowered it way to much.

There is overreactions to every single UC EQ that comes out because people rush in and dont pay attention then come here to complain its a money grab.

People overreacted to losing the ability to gift not understanding what was actually happening and not caring that people were affected outside of the game.

People overreacted to the collector fight. Now its not a big deal.

People overreacted to 5.6.6 Ultron. Now its a non issue.

People overreacted to 6.1 but wasn't hard to complete without 4*'s.

It happens all the time. This community is and hard as Lil Tay.

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TaZ_4178

No 4s!
Can bring only certain classes!
Can only bring 1 5 star!
Only certain sizes!

Give me a break. What's next....class, rarity, tag, and rank restrictions all in one?

"For act 6.3 only 6* hero science champs at r2 with a size matter global node in this lane!"

We get it, you want us to spend $10 000 a week on cav crystals like COW. Great, see how the game survives when you've restricted players so hard that there's no one left to play. I spent $6000 in a month a few months back on this game, and I'm not doing that anymore.

End game players are getting rid of their accounts like the plague. Master level teams can't find decent players for war anymore cause all the vets got tired of where the game's headed and sold off their accounts to noobs who can barely play.

What is the point of spending several mortgage payments getting a champ, duping them, ranking them up to r5 , and taking them to max sig when you can come in and render them utterly worthless with an arbitrary gate?

Why do I have to bring my sig 20 6* deadpool xforce to act 6.2 when I can use a r5 sig 200 omega red? It's not fun, or fresh, or interactive. It just pisses me and everyone else off. Don't design powerful champs if you can't make proper content. Better yet, don't create problems, sell us solutions, then make those solutions utterly worthless so you can sell more solutions later down the road.

I don't care for 6 stars. They were released for no reason and my 6* RNG has been atrocious. Don't tell me who I can and can't use for content, I was the one that spent 10s of thousands of dollars on this game, not you! If our purchases can't keep their value then there's no point in spending.

I wish I could buy you a virtual beer! Well said sir well said!

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xNig

@xNig your a beta tester Ikow you end gamer but wouldn’t you also won’t you stil stil se the furture with you rank5 5 star you work with ther just gone now.

Yes, the 5* R5s that I worked with will be gone, same as the 4* R5s that I worked hard to rank up in the beginning.

TaZ_4178

Do there it is content from Kabam miikes own words did end game players what about us mid tier
If you're in the mid tier (not yet Cavalier), this content is not targeted to you. There will come a day where 6-Star Champions are more readily accessible by mid-tier players, but that's not quite yet.

Well at least I finally know who you guys consider as "EndGame" players now... thanks

xNig

Do there it is content from Kabam miikes own words did end game players what about us mid tier
If you're in the mid tier (not yet Cavalier), this content is not targeted to you. There will come a day where 6-Star Champions are more readily accessible by mid-tier players, but that's not quite yet.
Well at least I finally know who you guys consider as "EndGame" players now... thanks

Truthfully, a lot of people here who consider themselves “end game” aren’t really “end game”.

Alex_sc11

This may sound terrible for a lot of people but, and hear me out, could also turn out to be interesting and fun (I am not being sarcastic)

Take for example Variant 2 , how the nodes were made for us to use XL characters in order to go through without taking damage, but instead of being a P.I.T.A. Kabam also put on some nodes to make our XL fighters better and giving (imho) some of the most fun fights in the endgame play. Example: King Groot being a total beast in his specific quest. The challenge was still there and don’t mistake me, the quests are NOT EASY but the restrictions had a counteroffer for using characters one usually does not choose for this difficulty and that turn up to be a great idea!

I think that if Kabam go this way , making us use four mystic 6* characters in a team (Worst case scenario: 6 star loki , a 6 star iron fist, 6 star Thor Jane Foster , 6 Star guillotine) the nodes will be designed to have fun doing them with these characters.

Just my 2 cents

RagamugginGunner

Looks interesting. The gate system is nice, but I gotta say that 5* and 6* shards aren't really that accessible. As a mid-game player (I just today completed 5.4.3), 6* shards are really hard to get. I know 6*s are meant to be rare, but my maximum is 1000/month, which isn't much. And I can't always get them all (I have no mood for Thanos, my intercepts are weak).
To be fair, I don't think this is mid-game content. Also, there are 6 Paths without Gates, so people will be able to complete about 50% without them.
My point was that I wouldn't call 6* shards easily accessible just now. I actually like the gate system, it has come to my mind few times that I'd like to see sth like this. When I was playing story quest, I always loved these restrictions, both in Act 1-4 (champion/class) and in Act 5.3 (keys). And although I won't be able to play it anytime soon, I am looking forward
For the majority of the Players? No. For people at the level of 6.2? Yes. I would say they are.

As someone who is actually at that level, you are wrong. Shards are 100% not more available to me since I became Cavalier.

GivMeABeer

This entire discussion is ultimately pointless. Kabam has shown they do not read/consider what is posted on here and certainly will not change there decision based on community feedback. They have made up there minds as to what they want to do in the game and that is that. Regardless what Grounded Wisdom, you or myself post Kabam is going to do what they want. And in the grand scheme of things they are still making a large amount of money from this game and for them that's the bottom line. Unless that changes I do not see them strongly consider what the community has to say about the direction of the game.

For me I still have to get thru initial clear of 6.1 and since I ma F2P I have always taken content slower than most. So the restrictions for 6.2 really don't apply to me much atm. However I am finding more often I hit lul's every month that I feel like I have nothing to do and that will ultimatly be what turns me off of the game. Time will tell where MCOC goes and who sticks around to see it.

IKON

I really really hope they add more gates, i love the challenge, and the focus on a diverse roster.

NiteAndDae

As someone that has a decent 6* roster (have been blessed by the RNG gods) I'm looking forward to the content, but I totally get that it will be a major pain for most people. I think there are basically a few things kabam is trying to do:

1. For those that don't have the roster but want the rewards, they can brute force through it with cash.
2. For those with mediocre to poor 6*, this forces them to decide to either rank those 6*, or just use them as place holders and bring one 5* God to clean house, either way, will probably result in more money spent boosting and reviving.

This is a kind of artificially forced progression, that will funnel resources to both obtaining 6* and then ranking them.

Wait until 7* champs come out ...

Treinin

I've come around on this one. My gut reaction was "Damn this is too far!", but on sober second thought I am really looking forward to this. I tend to stick with the same team of champs for almost all content, and this will at least force me to play around a bit with some of my lesser used champions. I don't have a great 6* roster - Rulk is my best one and it falls off pretty heavily from there, but I expect the content will be tuned such that you don't need 1 specific 6*, but just that you need to be able to play reasonably well and have 4 6*s in your roster.

I am going to look at it as an opportunity to fall in love with new parts of my roster, and take a break from hitting that Domino heavy over and over.

As always, we should really wait and see what the content looks like before getting too up in arms.

My only wish is that it was coming sooner... if we don't get something added to the current month I may die of boredom before June arrives.

QuikPik

I'd be fine with the gating requirements if Kabam's statement about having more access to 6* shards were true but that's a flat out lie.

Let take a look at it:

UC monthly - 2500
5* arena - 200 per arena = 1600 per month
Assume you make at least Gold 1 in war - 1000 but it's a 6 week cycle = 666

That totals 4766 shards per month that one can get via normal methods. That means I need to dupe 20 5* in order to make up the difference. That means I am not getting a 6* once per month which is about right since I get one about every 2 months.

I've also purchased about 30 Cavalier crystals and have gotten 1 6* from it. Lucky RNG on my part but....I got Sentry.

Kabam needs to find a way to add 6* to more content and not in their crappy offers.

VanillaCoke

Do there it is content from Kabam miikes own words did end game players what about us mid tier
If you're in the mid tier (not yet Cavalier), this content is not targeted to you. There will come a day where 6-Star Champions are more readily accessible by mid-tier players, but that's not quite yet.
Well at least I finally know who you guys consider as "EndGame" players now... thanks
Truthfully, a lot of people here who consider themselves “end game” aren’t really “end game”.

Are you considered endgame if you have the right roster to get through content? Because that seems to be the majority of the players who are "end game." Unless I am mistaken. This announcement would be ok if it was in conjunction with more ways to achieve either 5 or 6* shards (which was abysmal this month), or a way to get specific champions within a reasonable time period.

DarthPhal

If I had a cavalier crystal for each time a decision was going to be the death of the game, I’d have enough 6* to clear all the gates.

Worknprogress

Probably one of my best chances for a legends run on story content but I just don't have those kinds of time blocks to smash something like that out that quickly

IKON

This whole argument about needing the right roster is ridiculous. If you're beholden to a list of above god tier and won't rank anything else, thats on you.

I cleared 100% of lol with AA (post neuro stun fix) & Corvus. Did it cost more units than if I waited for the right team? Damn right it did. So I had to grind a lot more of arena, oh well.

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Jaded

I've come around on this one. My gut reaction was "Damn this is too far!", but on sober second thought I am really looking forward to this. I tend to stick with the same team of champs for almost all content, and this will at least force me to play around a bit with some of my lesser used champions. I don't have a great 6* roster - Rulk is my best one and it falls off pretty heavily from there, but I expect the content will be tuned such that you don't need 1 specific 6*, but just that you need to be able to play reasonably well and have 4 6*s in your roster.

I am going to look at it as an opportunity to fall in love with new parts of my roster, and take a break from hitting that Domino heavy over and over.

As always, we should really wait and see what the content looks like before getting too up in arms.

My only wish is that it was coming sooner... if we don't get something added to the current month I may die of boredom before June arrives.

Let the boredom sink in my friend 😂

TyEdge

Apologies if this is in the first 300 posts, @Kabam Miike but are these gates for 5-star champs only or 5-star and up? Given that 6-star champs can progress beyond maxed 5-stars, if it’s fhe former, it seems like the equivalent of forcing us to bring 4-stars only to finish part of 5.4.6

Dtl7714

Well great job for listening to the community about the gate of no 4*'s in 6.1.
*Dev team* "let's gate 6.2!
Honestly I respect your transparency about this before release but listening to the community is certainly not your strongest attribute here.
As for the more availability of 5/6* shards in content.. Have you no data on the last 4 weeks????
I'm genuinely curious as this event has been God awful in rewards and we still have two more weeks of poop to go.
In all honesty the gate does not effect me to much as I'll still be able to complete it, just not explore. But the reasoning behind this is almost delusions of grandeur.
In their defense, the community is extremely short-sided and wrong in almost every situation (at least the majority)
Since my phone claims your comment was approved via the over lords... I'll simply say wtf are you talking about? I will give you the reward for Troll post of 2019 though! Great job, now stand up and take a bow!
He isn't terribly wrong. The majority of the player base overreacts with every announcement unless it involves free stuff. Then tends to shut up once the content is released or changes made and because they realize it wasn't what they thought it was.

They dont "shut up" cause they realize it wasnt as bad as they say it was.

They just get tired of giving feedback to Kabam that it continues to ignore. The complaining stops cause it isnt accomplishing anything

And what is your personal stake in all this. You always take criticism of Kabam so personal and act hostile to anyone who criticizes anything about the game.

DrZola

Apologies if this is in the first 300 posts, @Kabam Miike but are these gates for 5-star champs only or 5-star and up? Given that 6-star champs can progress beyond maxed 5-stars, if it’s fhe former, it seems like the equivalent of forcing us to bring 4-stars only to finish part of 5.4.6

This may be responsive to your question.

Dr. Zola

J0NisCOOL

Do there it is content from Kabam miikes own words did end game players what about us mid tier
If you're in the mid tier (not yet Cavalier), this content is not targeted to you. There will come a day where 6-Star Champions are more readily accessible by mid-tier players, but that's not quite yet.
Well at least I finally know who you guys consider as "EndGame" players now... thanks

Yeah, it is pretty clear you’re not there yet. Why are you hostile when you’re not ready for this content anyway?

Burro

So.... you said 5* and 6* shards have never been more accessible. I’m curious to what you are referring too?
I assume they are referring to the fact that it is easier to earn 5* and 6* shards now than at any other time in the past. If you can point to a time in the past when they were more available, I'd like to know when that was.

It is true that quest rewards haven't been updated since Uncollected was introduced in December of 2017. However, war rewards were updated with the introduction of seasons, alliance quest rewards have been increased multiple times including both glory rewards and the ability to buy 5* and 6* shards with glory. And the special events that come along seem to contain a literal fountain of 5* shards at least more than half the time. They also added 5* shards to the calendar to fill out the last few days. And that's on top of the increased ability to earn shards from the restructured arenas.

Some people will say that some of these things happened a while ago and not recently. But that's the entire point: as far back as you can go, there have been small but significant increases added to the game. Some recent, some further back, some even further back, because this keeps getting ratcheted upward. A slow but continuous ratchet upward is not going to have a huge number of increases all at once, it will have them spaced out over time, and at no time will there be a huge increase, but at no time will there be no increase for a long time either.

Eh pretty sure you can’t buy 5* and 6* shards with glory. The shards from the calendar have almost no impact. 750 shards this month isn’t even 10% of a 5* crystal. I don’t disagree that 5* shards are more available than in the past, but until we can use shards to get a specific champ or even a champ from a specific class it won’t matter with regards to the gates. Players are artificially restricted by RNG. Cutoffs for the 5* arena are ridiculous so not really a viable solution for getting specific champs.

The gates won’t have an impact on me personally since my 5* roster is stacked and my 6* roster is decent. But their decision and reasoning is just stupid and they are pushing more and more people out of the game. Since this announcement 2 guys I have played with for a long time, both big spenders, have decided to quit playing. When MCOC goes away, it will be decisions like this and not fixing actual issues with the game that will be to blame.