Who to r4 for LOL

NyaleNyale Posts: 124
Already got classic Spider and CM r4 and in preparation for LOL will do another .Candidates are Storm, HE, BP and Magik all duped .Can the guys that done at least a path help me decide?Thanks!
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  • CapWW2CapWW2 Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    Storm plus CM and mutant team is your best choice
  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Posts: 3,451 ★★★★
    Magik is the best champion out of those though
  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Posts: 3,451 ★★★★
    It's possible to do it with her but storm is your best bet
  • NyaleNyale Posts: 124
    Got also a 3/45 drax but since I have CM was more inclined to level other class
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Posts: 584 ★★★
    edited August 2017
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.
  • Do you have Iron Patriot?
    He would be my choice.

    I would go with BP or Storm.
  • RagamugginGunnerRagamugginGunner Posts: 2,163 ★★★★★
    Do a Magik/CM tandem.
  • SungjSungj Posts: 1,641 ★★★★
    Storm overall will have more damage output than CM, her stuns will also make her more valuable fro fights like war machine, falcon and maestro to push them to their sp2. If you have pacify she is also better for magik.
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Posts: 584 ★★★
    Sungj wrote: »
    Storm overall will have more damage output than CM, her stuns will also make her more valuable fro fights like war machine, falcon and maestro to push them to their sp2. If you have pacify she is also better for magik.

    You get to run poison suicides when you do CM though. I think that puts her well ahead of storm
  • Haji_SaabHaji_Saab Posts: 3,399 ★★★★★
    Sungj wrote: »
    Storm overall will have more damage output than CM, her stuns will also make her more valuable fro fights like war machine, falcon and maestro to push them to their sp2. If you have pacify she is also better for magik.

    You get to run poison suicides when you do CM though. I think that puts her well ahead of storm

    You can run both suicides with CM.. she won't be using specials and bleed won't kill her.
  • roy505roy505 Posts: 90
    how do you have t2 alphas to take a 3rd 5 star champion to rank 4 without doing LOL once ?

    and from the scenario posted.. its better to do LOL with CM, though storm gives better damage. Magik is by far the best available in those options, though her use in LOL is limited.
  • ShinyMew2ShinyMew2 Posts: 187
    LOL? What's so funny?
  • LaylicLaylic Posts: 88
    Storm is good choice. Makes good use of mutant synergy team with mags, redclops, Wolvie and Magik. Lots of crit there too which is where a majority of the damage comes from. Plus he static charge is a bonus. CM does out out more damage leaving her bar full but, you'll want to be able to use your specials to help push them to a special so you have more openings. Another benefit is that sp1&2's can crit and sp3's can't.
  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Posts: 3,451 ★★★★
    I have drax at rank 4 and can get very close to soloing red hulk so he is still a good option and very fun to play
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    edited August 2017
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

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    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.
  • Ja55Ja55 Posts: 155
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

    yc775xy93nmf.jpg

    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.

    I agree with everything but suicides. Storm's l2 is wild. A solid 450+ with storm will get you over 300k. Imo storm does better than marvel but they are both decent options if no sl or gp.
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Posts: 584 ★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

    yc775xy93nmf.jpg

    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.

    I'm well aware of the damage that storm does, but I think she relies way too much on crits to do any meaningful damage. I would put money on CM doing more damage over time than a storm on the same team.
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Posts: 584 ★★★
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    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

    yc775xy93nmf.jpg

    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.

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    Here's some perspective on all that massive damage btw lol
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Posts: 1,614 ★★★
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    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

    yc775xy93nmf.jpg

    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.

    94ei6n8ewpoi.png
    Here's some perspective on all that massive damage btw lol

    Oh look TEN Prowess charges that are insanely hard to stack, On a class advantage, while storm has class disadvantage

    20% Attack modefier is 2x difference so um… yeah Gambit has like 40% extra attack compared to storm
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Posts: 584 ★★★
    Mr_Otter wrote: »
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    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

    yc775xy93nmf.jpg

    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.

    94ei6n8ewpoi.png
    Here's some perspective on all that massive damage btw lol

    Oh look TEN Prowess charges that are insanely hard to stack, On a class advantage, while storm has class disadvantage

    20% Attack modefier is 2x difference so um… yeah Gambit has like 40% extra attack compared to storm

    Your math is interesting
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    Mr_Otter wrote: »
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    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Storm. But I wouldn't even use her. I would run the poison suicides and use CM, but hold specials.

    Wow it seems you dont have any idea how strong storm is. Let me show you an image that will change your mind. You will thank me later.

    yc775xy93nmf.jpg

    If you have 5* CM, 5* Storm plus Cyc cyc mags your best method is using full team revives and use all your champs.

    Additionally you can use storm with suicides even with recoil on. You will do some 300k damage minimum before you die which is worthy.

    94ei6n8ewpoi.png
    Here's some perspective on all that massive damage btw lol

    Oh look TEN Prowess charges that are insanely hard to stack, On a class advantage, while storm has class disadvantage

    20% Attack modefier is 2x difference so um… yeah Gambit has like 40% extra attack compared to storm

    Your math is interesting

    Well you have to factor in that neither Storm nor Gambit were vs a neutral class

    Gambit has a class advantage while Storm had a class disadvantage

    Kabam actually gave us the number 20% when talking about class reversal for 5.2

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    So you have to figure if storm was vs that WS you'd have to take away the 20% disadvantage and provide the 20% advantage

    With a 1.4 multiplier to reflect the 40% boost Storm would receive her damage would have been 45,232.6

    Compared to 45,539 Storm is still short by 215.4 damage, but also factor in the HASSLE of charging all those Kinetic charges

    Each actually increasing his special by 18% (taken from my 4* 3/30) so he's actually packing a hassle of an extra 180% damage boost which let's be honest as 5 it's almost impossible to gain anymore so on average that'd be closer to a 90% buff

    But with all 10 and fighting WS instead of the collector Gambit has an additional 220% attack over Storm

    Against Masestro that same Gambit would HAVE to keep 10 Prowess at all times to keep up and very slightly surpass storm
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    @Kronos987654321 Kabam flat out tells us the % of class advantage and disadvantage

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    Now if we take the 20% decrease that would be applied by fighting Maestro and then add 20% by fighting a skill class you'd raise her Attack by 40%

    45,232.6 (Storm vs a skill class Maestro)
    45,539 (Gambit vs WS)

    Now Storm is still short by 215.4

    BUT Gambit has 10 Prowess! My 3/30 4* has a Prowess boost of 18% each so x10 is an additional 180% attack boost

    Here Gambit already requires 220% just to match Storm but how often have you ever stacked 10 Kinetic charges and converted them?

    A much more conservative number of 6 would only provide 108% as anything past 5 is nearly impossible to pull off without planning PERFECTLY

    NOW as it stands 10-Prowess Gambit would be enough to just slightly beat out Storm in damage
    Wait what's this? An ARMOR UP?! AND EMERGENCY SHIELD WHICH LOWERS SPECIAL DAMAGE RECIEVED?!

    Yeah even at 10-Prowess that Gambit isn't fighting a WS with Armor
    Up and Emergency Shield

    Uh-oh… poor Gambit…
  • CedricccCedriccc Posts: 24
    LOL! Storm just straight up owned poor gambit
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,980 ★★★★★
    Let's put it this way.

    If you R4 Storm and use her for LoL, you still have other uses for her in a Crit Team, regardless for questing or for Legend runs.

    Whereas for Gambit.. Idk where you gonna use him at..
  • CYNDRDBODYCYNDRDBODY Posts: 252
    Wait for better champs and save some units. Wait for stark spidey to come around again he can do it undupped.
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    How we end up talking about gambit!!!! Good luck getting those charges agaisnt maestro.

    Storm sp1 stun is very handy to push enemies to sp2. Her shock is insane and her signature is incredible.

    Gambit is a bottom tier champ. Not even closed to storm class.
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    How we end up talking about gambit!!!! Good luck getting those charges agaisnt maestro.

    Storm sp1 stun is very handy to push enemies to sp2. Her shock is insane and her signature is incredible.

    Gambit is a bottom tier champ. Not even closed to storm class.

    Because @Kronos987654321 wanted to give us perspective LOL! Meanwhile he ignored the 40% attack different, the odds of actually having all 10 Prowess, and the fact that storm did that damage while Maestro had Armor and Emergency Shield
  • PalanthraxPalanthrax Posts: 530 ★★★
    I'm a long way from LOL and only have 5 5* champs, but one of them is duped and that is my R3 Storm. This thread has convinced me to take her to R4 as a priority.
  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Posts: 3,451 ★★★★
    I have an alliance mate that doesn't really like his rank 4 storm but he hasn't attempted LOL yet. He also has a 5* duped AA so he prefers him lol
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Posts: 584 ★★★
    Mr_Otter wrote: »
    @Kronos987654321 Kabam flat out tells us the % of class advantage and disadvantage

    utle5z7mx0uu.png

    Now if we take the 20% decrease that would be applied by fighting Maestro and then add 20% by fighting a skill class you'd raise her Attack by 40%

    45,232.6 (Storm vs a skill class Maestro)
    45,539 (Gambit vs WS)

    Now Storm is still short by 215.4

    BUT Gambit has 10 Prowess! My 3/30 4* has a Prowess boost of 18% each so x10 is an additional 180% attack boost

    Here Gambit already requires 220% just to match Storm but how often have you ever stacked 10 Kinetic charges and converted them?

    A much more conservative number of 6 would only provide 108% as anything past 5 is nearly impossible to pull off without planning PERFECTLY

    NOW as it stands 10-Prowess Gambit would be enough to just slightly beat out Storm in damage
    Wait what's this? An ARMOR UP?! AND EMERGENCY SHIELD WHICH LOWERS SPECIAL DAMAGE RECIEVED?!

    Yeah even at 10-Prowess that Gambit isn't fighting a WS with Armor
    Up and Emergency Shield

    Uh-oh… poor Gambit…

    You're forgetting gambit has two hits in that combo, which puts him closer to 70k damage without suicides lol
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