Alliance Wars - Defense Tactics and Rewards Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Defense Tactics are coming to Alliance Wars Season 11, and bring along the rewards update you've all been waiting for! Check out the Announcement Here.

Then come back to this thread to discuss your thoughts on the upcoming changes!

Comments

ExHavok

AW rewards are so underwhelming considering the amount of AQ rewards. Rewards difference are so much. Of course we can see AW rewards as additional rewards, but we are struggling with an AW's season more than we struggle 4 rounds of AQ.

DocJC

So these are the rewards you came up with? For the increased difficulty? Now you want to add global defender buffs and increase it more.

For these tired, terrible rewards.

Meanwhile you match all the top alliances against each other every war and let a bunch of smaller alliances match each other for the same rewards. How exactly is this fair?

More boosts, more stress, more pots, and **** rewards for a months time of work that’s not even equitable.

And you wonder why the player base is at an all time level of frustration. You haven’t even addressed the mess that is AQ and you come out with this junk.

Pepeql

And i thought this incomming season would be really fun because a lot of alliances would push for the new rewards, but taking a look on it i just realized the competition will be the same as usual good job kabam! making the only competitive mode in the whole game boring as always.

Madman_marvin

Rewards aren’t great and to top it off we can still pull a stupid arena boost from war crystals.

NinjAlan

You guys drastically missed the mark. These rewards are a year outdated and haven't even been introduced yet. I suggest your team take aq reward changes from now vs a year ago and see that the gap is still staggering.

Pool

Why are the values not given? Does it vary based on what tier war you are in? Can we get the values, that's a huge piece of information that we need now to start ranking up for next season.
The values for the Defense Tactics are still undergoing their final tuning. Unfortunately, they won't be available until they're live in game. Additionally, the off-season will be used to measure if any need to be adjusted, so they may change again before the season begins.

I thought we had beta for that

Ironman3000

This is beyond disappointing. The only good thing is that they aren't good enough to temp me into pushing in AW again.

Kobster84

Like seriously map 7 aq is probably easier and has much more rewards defense tactics will probably create near impossible matchups

Cisco

@Kabam Miike. Can you please let us know what the victory rewards will be. The post says we can expect to get more shards and loyalty but doesn't say how much. Thanks in advance

Doomsfist79

Hi There Kabam team,
Looking for some clarification.
In the announcement for season 11 it is stated that "The individual War Win rewards have been updated"

Then in the discussion thread Kabam Mike says that the victory or Challenger crystals are not updated..

So Which is it? Or am i missing something?

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VanillaCoke

Yeah, if this is what Kabam thinks will win people over for AW, they aren't taking feedback seriously.

You get a whole 1 T4b for being in Silver 2 - Gold 1? What is up with that? 1? You can grind out 2 in T4b arena 12 times and get 24 T4b, so, it should be at least 5 T4b.

Oh well, another season don't have to play AW. Thanks Kabam!
This mode is in addition to all of the other modes people play, and does not replace the rewards you get from other Areas of the game. It does not have to be more than what you can earn in other areas.

Can you at least make season shorter to 3 weeks?

battleone

Kabam Miike (only addressing you because I see you actively engaged in the conversation.)

There is not enough reward separation between tiers. For example master vs p2 there is a tremendous difference in the amount of effort to get these, but the relevant reward separation is 9k t5b shards and 2% of a t5cc? This is not enough incentive and is making AW more like a participation trophy than the hard earned competitive environment it should be.

Dhops

So, just to put in perspective why people think these rewards buffs are bad, in the past six months you have:

-Introduced a number of top tier defenders like Thing, Sinister, Annihilus, etc. that have limited attacking counters
-Change the war map completely requiring people to re-evaluate any of the limited counters there were in the prior map

Despite those changes, season rewards remained unchanged while AQ got a major buff.

Now you plan to introduce defensive tactics, for which the values haven't even been finalized, which basically means you don't even know how much more difficult the new AW is going to be. These defensive tactics come with no buff to attackers or potential negative defensive impact so the only impact is to make AW more difficult for attackers.

For all that, you offer essentially a 50% buff to AW rewards despite the massive potion/item/boost drain it has relative to other content. Plus you throw in the t5cc crystal which, by my calculations gives you the chance, if you place Master 1, to fully form a t5cc in 6 years.

This is why people are going to not be happy...

ReyAlemán

Great!

1. Increased difficulty.
2. Same rewards.

GL everyone, it will take us 3 years to form a T5CC.

GroundedWisdom

There's a buff to both Win/Loss Rewards and Seasons. While the Crystals are the same thus far, that's significant cumulatively. I can't agree that they're underwhelming.

Doomsfist79

There's a buff to both Win/Loss Rewards and Seasons. While the Crystals are the same thus far, that's significant cumulatively. I can't agree that they're underwhelming.

According to Kabam Mike.. there is no buff to win/loss rewards..

Buttehrs

There's a buff to both Win/Loss Rewards and Seasons. While the Crystals are the same thus far, that's significant cumulatively. I can't agree that they're underwhelming.
According to Kabam Mike.. there is no buff to win/loss rewards..

They are buffing the win lose rewards. Just not the actual crystals themelves. So youll see an increase in shards.

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Jaded

There's a buff to both Win/Loss Rewards and Seasons. While the Crystals are the same thus far, that's significant cumulatively. I can't agree that they're underwhelming.
According to Kabam Mike.. there is no buff to win/loss rewards..

No, GW is right. Individual win/loss wars are getting increased but miike didn’t disclose that information yet.

Wakandas_Finest

There's a buff to both Win/Loss Rewards and Seasons. While the Crystals are the same thus far, that's significant cumulatively. I can't agree that they're underwhelming.
According to Kabam Mike.. there is no buff to win/loss rewards..

You are mistaken win/loss crystals are not being updated but the amount of hero shards (I.e 5 and 6 star shards) you get per win/loss is increasing as well as the amount of loyalty

TheTalents

I have to say that I predict participation in AW will decrease even more with this added difficulty. The changes have not encouraged me to participate in AW whatsoever. To make AW relevant, you simply have to give rewards that will allow people to reach 25-50% of a T5CC. Its the only way to make people play AW specifically, all the other rewards I can simply just buy or form from other areas of the game.

Demonzfyre

What level of rewards would be satisfactory for those saying they aren't better? Lots of negative remarks but zero suggestions besides the victory/defeat crystal.

Kobster84

Like thinking about the mercenary node with domino if she’s on a hidden node and you don’t bring a tech champ one sp1 will probababky kill you

V1PER1987

With the introduction of these buffs based on champion tags we really need a way to filter them now more than ever.

Also unless win rewards are buffed greatly, they still seem pretty meh. Any word on victory crystals being updated?
We've let the team know that this is a desired feature in game. In the meantime, you should check out auntm.ai. It's a great tool created by a very talented member of the Community and features some Tag filtering tools.

The Win/Loss crystals have not been updated yet. That may be in a future rewards update.

I know this is going to sound very snarky and I apologize in advance, but it’s really not the community’s (mutamatt’s) job to create all these resources for the player. It’s your game and you should be providing prestige and tag filter functionality.

Karlnak

What are the t5cc percentages? 25% or 2%?
2% Crystals are the regular crystals and what you're going to be seeing around the Contest for the most part.

I for one, am actually happy about this. Let's delay 6 star rank 3s as long as possible. I need more time to build up my 6 star roster. That being said, the 6* shard increase is probably my only complaint. Was hoping to see more. With the gates in Act 6 moving forward, would like to see these coming in a little more often and in larger amounts. Rewards seem pretty good overall though.

Ironman3000

What level of rewards would be satisfactory for those saying they aren't better? Lots of negative remarks but zero suggestions besides the victory/defeat crystal.

Considering the cost and difficulty, they should be better then a month of AQ, which they aren't.

Kobster84

What level of rewards would be satisfactory for those saying they aren't better? Lots of negative remarks but zero suggestions besides the victory/defeat crystal.

Decrease the minimum of t2a t5b in the war season crystals reward difference in them is ridiculous possibly also increase the amount of shards thinking in terms of 6*

Dtl7714

What level of rewards would be satisfactory for those saying they aren't better? Lots of negative remarks but zero suggestions besides the victory/defeat crystal.

We know it's impossible for the players to ever be satisfied.

Pepeql

What level of rewards would be satisfactory for those saying they aren't better? Lots of negative remarks but zero suggestions besides the victory/defeat crystal.

at least 50% of t5cc should be implemented considering the new difficulty, but hey, kabam plans are to release $100 offer for 25% t5cc before AW season ends so you literally gain the same without doing any effort than spend some bucks for them!