Alliance Wars - Defense Tactics and Rewards Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Defense Tactics are coming to Alliance Wars Season 11, and bring along the rewards update you've all been waiting for! Check out the Announcement Here.

Then come back to this thread to discuss your thoughts on the upcoming changes!

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SiriusBreak

So by adding platinum 4, does that allow the top 800 in gold 2 to now move up to gold 1 ? The way it’s all stated is kind of confusing, Master is top 20, p1 is top 50, etc, but it’s not clear if p1 is top 21-50 or 21 to 71. That goes the same for p4 and gold 1; is p4 for 800 teams or the teams who have an overall rank inside the top 800 but outside the top 300 in p3 for a total of 500 teams. Please clear this up as it is pretty vague the way it’s worded currently.
@Kpatrix It's split down like this...

Master - 1-20 (20 slots)
Platinum 1 - 21-50 (30 slots)
Platinum 2 - 51-100 (50 slots)
Platinum 3 - 101-300 (200 slots)
Platinum 4 - 301-800 (500 slots)
Gold 1 - 801-1,500 (700 slots)
Gold 2 - 1,501-3,000 (1,500 slots)
Gold 3 - 3,001-4,500 (1,500 slots)

...and so on. Hope that helps clarify how the season tiers work.
Thanks, that helps

Anytime! Seriously, the 1st time I saw the Season Reward tier breakdown when they introduced it, I got a bit confused too, lol. Eventually I figured it out. It would've helped if they listed the slot numbers on their graphic like I did above.

Lvernon15

Any specifics on the individual war rewards?

LastBoyScout

I have no words
You should simply add a monthly fee for the game instead of keep ruining the game experience day by day

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Pool

Add confirmed rewards insted of those crystals. They are so unfair

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SunnyJim_123

Simple solution... cut AW season by half!! If we get these rewards by concentrating our efforts and items on 6 wars instead of 12 then I’m pretty sure you won’t get any complaints!!

Also it would be neater doing the first 2 weeks of the month as AW on season and second 2 weeks as off season... we have dungeons to fill up time during off season as well

Munrolm02

I thought that Kabam was going to take time to monitor how Wars are going during this season. Did they realize there's teams that are in Platinum 1 and 2 that are still dying over a hundred times and not completing the map just the way it is? Now they're going to make it even harder with no Global benefits that benefits the attacker whatsoever. The game just keeps getting less interesting every single day

Lormif

I thought that Kabam was going to take time to monitor how Wars are going during this season. Did they realize there's teams that are in Platinum 1 and 2 that are still dying over a hundred times and not completing the map just the way it is? Now they're going to make it even harder with no Global benefits that benefits the attacker whatsoever. The game just keeps getting less interesting every single day

If that is the case they will not be in plat 1 and 2 very long.

Simple solution... cut AW season by half!! If we get these rewards by concentrating our efforts and items on 6 wars instead of 12 then I’m pretty sure you won’t get any complaints!!

Also it would be neater doing the first 2 weeks of the month as AW on season and second 2 weeks as off season... we have dungeons to fill up time during off season as well

All the forums do is complain, they will get the same.

Lormif

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating what has already been said. The "buffed" war season crystals are absurd. 1500-22,500 T5 basics? Why give rewards for a month's worth of war such a huge RNG swing? The minimum is garbage. Why not have a higher floor? Unless you have buffed the drop rate, I'll be getting the minimum just like I have every single damn season since season 1. Some other dude in Plat 4 will get way more t5 basics because RNG. These crystals were announced as one of the major perks to AW seasons and they are trash. High level AW requires a lot of resources and time. Stop making the payout RNG dependent.
Fully agreed. We will see Gold 3 players who get a single crystal obtain the 22k T5B shards in a single crystal, and basically match the rewards for those in lower Plat tiers.

I truly believe that Kabam introduces RNG into these rewards so as to provide a legitimate way to catapult lower players into the higher tiers with massive RNG drops, while the top end players are limited by bad RNG pulls.

Over time the top players will get massively more rewards because they will have more chances at it.

Ironman3000

Having a range of 6k to 12k T5B seems a lot more reasonable vs 1.5k to 22.5k.

The range of RNG is just disgustig. You'll have gols 2 guys pulling full t2b out of crystals and master players getting like 10k shards. No one likes RNG rewards. Didn't the past few months show you that???

Ironman3000

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating what has already been said. The "buffed" war season crystals are absurd. 1500-22,500 T5 basics? Why give rewards for a month's worth of war such a huge RNG swing? The minimum is garbage. Why not have a higher floor? Unless you have buffed the drop rate, I'll be getting the minimum just like I have every single damn season since season 1. Some other dude in Plat 4 will get way more t5 basics because RNG. These crystals were announced as one of the major perks to AW seasons and they are trash. High level AW requires a lot of resources and time. Stop making the payout RNG dependent.
Fully agreed. We will see Gold 3 players who get a single crystal obtain the 22k T5B shards in a single crystal, and basically match the rewards for those in lower Plat tiers.

I truly believe that Kabam introduces RNG into these rewards so as to provide a legitimate way to catapult lower players into the higher tiers with massive RNG drops, while the top end players are limited by bad RNG pulls.
Over time the top players will get massively more rewards because they will have more chances at it.

Maybe. I've gotten over 20k t2a total only once from those crystals. Then I watch lower youtubers get 20k+ almost every season. It really sucks.

Lormif

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating what has already been said. The "buffed" war season crystals are absurd. 1500-22,500 T5 basics? Why give rewards for a month's worth of war such a huge RNG swing? The minimum is garbage. Why not have a higher floor? Unless you have buffed the drop rate, I'll be getting the minimum just like I have every single damn season since season 1. Some other dude in Plat 4 will get way more t5 basics because RNG. These crystals were announced as one of the major perks to AW seasons and they are trash. High level AW requires a lot of resources and time. Stop making the payout RNG dependent.
Fully agreed. We will see Gold 3 players who get a single crystal obtain the 22k T5B shards in a single crystal, and basically match the rewards for those in lower Plat tiers.

I truly believe that Kabam introduces RNG into these rewards so as to provide a legitimate way to catapult lower players into the higher tiers with massive RNG drops, while the top end players are limited by bad RNG pulls.
Over time the top players will get massively more rewards because they will have more chances at it.
Maybe. I've gotten over 20k t2a total only once from those crystals. Then I watch lower youtubers get 20k+ almost every season. It really sucks.

No maybe about it, that is how probabilities work.

Eric987

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.

Lormif

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.

AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.

Worknprogress

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.

One 6* for a 1st place season finish isn't really THAT much though. Now if that was the master reward in general, I'd be more on board with that

Lormif

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.
One 6* for a 1st place season finish isn't really THAT much though. Now if that was the master reward in general, I'd be more on board with that

Dude that is a metric a** load., every 3 weeks they get a 6* in addition to their other rewards. As it is master gets more than half a 6*

Werewrym

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.

So only 30 people get that. Doesn't really make sense to make a argument based on the rewards only the top 30 players get. It doesn't make sense to say its the place to go for shards because 30 people out of hundreds of thousands get a 6* crystal. However, I agree it's where a good chunk of shards come from, but I'm not sure I'd say its the main source for everyone.

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Nick_Caine_32

I thought that Kabam was going to take time to monitor how Wars are going during this season. Did they realize there's teams that are in Platinum 1 and 2 that are still dying over a hundred times and not completing the map just the way it is? Now they're going to make it even harder with no Global benefits that benefits the attacker whatsoever. The game just keeps getting less interesting every single day

This is a really important comment and I hope Kabam sees it. We're in the same boat. We've been platinum for a few seasons now and because of the changes this season (and our decision to not use items to push to win due to those changes) we're now in gold 1. Our rosters got better, our skills didn't suddenly get worse, matchups SHOULD be fair and balanced, yet we're dying across the board, many wars don't get the boss down, and I know it's the same issue with the other groups we're facing, as we went from getting a few kills for our defense before to in some cases double digits for the top 5-6 players listed. It's quite a huge jump and change, yet we were told this wouldn't be more difficult and that the rewards next season would make it worth it. It's not, and I don't see my group changing anything we're doing next season in response. We're focusing on AQ now and finishing in top 200 there, if this doesn't get better in war I see us working toward adding map 7 in rather than caring about using items for war and locking our top attackers for 3 days of the week.

Really sad as a long time player to see war devolve into this, it actually used to be fun and seemed pretty fair across the board. And I can't believe we're actually talking about RNG based rewards being the main draw for this mode in 2019.

I know people on here and in the beta and on youtube have been expressing their frustration and disappointment in the changes with war over the last few months...and yet here we are. Very frustrating to feel like people aren't being listened to.

Lormif

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.
So only 30 people get that. Doesn't really make sense to make a argument based on the rewards only the top 30 players get. It doesn't make sense to say its the place to go for shards because 30 people out of hundreds of thousands get a 6* crystal. However, I agree it's where a good chunk of shards come from, but I'm not sure I'd say its the main source for everyone.

They get the top, but AW is still the place to go for shards outside of the EQ, it does not matter your rank.

Ironman3000

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating what has already been said. The "buffed" war season crystals are absurd. 1500-22,500 T5 basics? Why give rewards for a month's worth of war such a huge RNG swing? The minimum is garbage. Why not have a higher floor? Unless you have buffed the drop rate, I'll be getting the minimum just like I have every single damn season since season 1. Some other dude in Plat 4 will get way more t5 basics because RNG. These crystals were announced as one of the major perks to AW seasons and they are trash. High level AW requires a lot of resources and time. Stop making the payout RNG dependent.
Fully agreed. We will see Gold 3 players who get a single crystal obtain the 22k T5B shards in a single crystal, and basically match the rewards for those in lower Plat tiers.

I truly believe that Kabam introduces RNG into these rewards so as to provide a legitimate way to catapult lower players into the higher tiers with massive RNG drops, while the top end players are limited by bad RNG pulls.
Over time the top players will get massively more rewards because they will have more chances at it.
Maybe. I've gotten over 20k t2a total only once from those crystals. Then I watch lower youtubers get 20k+ almost every season. It really sucks.
No maybe about it, that is how probabilities work.

you don't unserstand sample size. 2 extra crystals every 6 weeks isnot a meanngful number.

Eric987

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.
One 6* for a 1st place season finish isn't really THAT much though. Now if that was the master reward in general, I'd be more on board with that
Dude that is a metric a** load., every 3 weeks they get a 6* in addition to their other rewards. As it is master gets more than half a 6*

You are severely overvaluing shards. With so many champs in both the 5* and 6* crystals there needs to be an increase in availability. Getting a full 6* crystal for finishing in masters can still result in getting you a brand new 6* hulk buster.

The updated master rewards give 10,000 5* shards while monthly uncollected quests give you 7,500 shards. That’s only a 33% increase between a mode which requires boosts, potions, planning, etc. and a mode that requires no item usage other then energy refills and very little planning (maybe a counter for the last boss).

Yes I know there are other rewards obtained from both but when looking comparatively across all rewards across all modes of gameplay AW is currently the lowest cost-reward difference in terms of effort/items/skills compared with rewards received.

Worknprogress

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.
One 6* for a 1st place season finish isn't really THAT much though. Now if that was the master reward in general, I'd be more on board with that
Dude that is a metric a** load., every 3 weeks they get a 6* in addition to their other rewards. As it is master gets more than half a 6*

It really isn't though. It's also not every 3 weeks it's every 5 with a 2 week offseason which is standard

Worknprogress

Actually 6 weeks

Ironman3000

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.
One 6* for a 1st place season finish isn't really THAT much though. Now if that was the master reward in general, I'd be more on board with that
Dude that is a metric a** load., every 3 weeks they get a 6* in addition to their other rewards. As it is master gets more than half a 6*

100% wrong. one 6* every 6 weeks for the siNGLE top ally is a joke. Save your units and you'll get more 6* champs from popping Cavs.

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Worknprogress

What they really need to do is double the 5* and 6* shards and shrink the range of outcomes in the seasons crystals. With the new 5* and 6* gates in Act 6, increasing the availability of 5* and 6* shards is important. This would make AW the place to go for shards and AQ the place to go for rank up materials. If they made those changes I’d be much more excited for next AW season. I’m currently in the master bracket so my thoughts are really focused on end game players. Unless the rewards for winning a war go extremely up I feel Kabam lowballed us on the rewards which sucks since I prefer this map to the old one for sure.
AW is already the place to go for shards, and the top rank already gets a full 6*.
One 6* for a 1st place season finish isn't really THAT much though. Now if that was the master reward in general, I'd be more on board with that
Dude that is a metric a** load., every 3 weeks they get a 6* in addition to their other rewards. As it is master gets more than half a 6*
100% wrong. one 6* every 6 weeks for the siNGLE top ally is a joke. Save your units and you'll get more 6* champs from popping Cavs.

Basically this. I think 10k shards is more than reasonable for a master finish

Worknprogress

Then maybe after 70 seasons or so people will have some decent champs to use that t5cc they finally formed on

Greywarden

Overall I'm a fan of more rewards however war victor, loss crystals and the season end war crystals need some revamping.

War victor and loss crystals need to have better rewards or they can possibly be tiered if they really want to keep them as is, the higher the tier the better the contents. That may actually make people want them.....A 3* arena boost for someone in Tier 1 is next to useless, you might as well award me with an XP boost.

Season end war crystals can be removed entirely and replaced with a static amount of t5b or t2a. RNG should be left for champion crystals and not rewards for a competition. It's like finishing 1st place in a race but the guy who finished 10th is getting paid more.

OR you can adjust the floor. 1500-32k is a big range and it's not like you're getting a ton more of these crystals the better you finish. 1-2 more chances at what I can only imagine are terrible odds isn't really moving the needle or making anybody value these war crystals.