Alliance Wars - Defense Tactics and Rewards Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Defense Tactics are coming to Alliance Wars Season 11, and bring along the rewards update you've all been waiting for! Check out the Announcement Here.

Then come back to this thread to discuss your thoughts on the upcoming changes!

Comments

GroundedWisdom

There comes a point where you either have to accept that an effort is being made, or accept the fact that you're just over War. I can't agree with foregoing balance just to add more so that people feel motivated to uncross their arms.

Kobster84

Yet war doesn’t give that many shards and I was saying that top tier war is more difficult then map 7 yet map 7 gives a hell of a lot more rewards
And of course people want more they bloody increased the difficulty massively I am curious what tier are you in?

GroundedWisdom

Not in 1-5. I don't have the manpower. If I was, my feelings wouldn't change. What I keep saying is AQ is not the same as War. Not at all. However, if you're going to compare both systems, take it one step further and consider all Rewards earned overall. There has to be a balance between that.
As for the Shards, they were outdated, yes. They've been increased and it's still not enough? Let's be honest here. There's an expectation that a) people should be paid extra to adjust and b) since people turned their backs on War in lieu of AQ, they should be inticed to come back with more Rewards. Neither I agree with.

Kobster84

For the difficulty presented the shards are horrible like I’m in t3/2 and let’s say my ally wins 8/10 wars we will get about 14k 5* shards which when you look at the difficulty is not great at all

Kobster84

Also shards haven’t increased by a lot which for a shard focused mode is weird to be frank there was a larger increase in t5b and t2a which are rank up materials then shards

GroundedWisdom

Shards over time. How many Wars do you play? 3 a week. Add those over time.

TheTalents

If people don't care about War that is a Kabam problem @GroundedWisdom . They want us to play competitively to spend more units so if most people aren't willing to play it competitively that is a failure on their part. You can't even play Tier 1-5 because you neither have the skill or want to put the effort so Kabam has failed you. You're proving everyone's point.

GroundedWisdom

Plus the Season Rewards. Plus the Shards earned in other areas. They're not just adding random amounts.

Kobster84

I literally just did that and I’ll say it again say we win 8/10 wars its about 14k 5* shards in t3 which is meh

GroundedWisdom

I didn't say I don't have the skill. I have an Ally that's based on loyalty. We've been together for years. Had many opportunities to move up or leave. I'm loyal to my friends.
Kabam hasn't failed. People decided to protest War because it got harder without more Rewards. Now that there are more, it's still not enough. We make our own choices. No one is going to spoon feed us back if we decide to peace out of War.

Kobster84

Then you don’t have experience in high tier war which is where most the changes have occured

GroundedWisdom

What's your point? I'm still here discussing it. I'm capable of looking at the entire system without playing at the top.

Kobster84

No you can have an opinion of it but without experience you don’t know how hard it really is

GroundedWisdom

I didn't claim I did. What I see is redundant. "It's hard at the Top.". It's supposed to be. That's why it's the Top. If it's becoming harder and that's somehow surprising, that's possibly because it's been too easy. I said something when people spoke up against some of the Nodes, fair enough. However, it is supposed to be hard in general. People want a balancing factor that keeps Allies out of higher Tiers that shouldn't be there. That's what we have here.

Kobster84

And that’s why alliance war is dying out rewards aren’t worth the effort no one wants to use a ton of items which could have been spent on t5b and t2a only to get an extra 2k 5* shards

GroundedWisdom

Evidently they do because we just had a Season that had every single Bracket occupied.

Kobster84

“It’s hard at the top” rewards are also meant to be good at the top
Compare high plat 3 to low gold 1 I’d say plat 3 is about minimum twice as hard yet somehow there’s only 2k more 5* shards in plat 3

GroundedWisdom

We're not going to get a 6* each War.

Kobster84

Well smartass if you had seen my suggestion I was saying 600 6* shards in t1

GroundedWisdom

Perhaps I was being a bit flippant, yes. Just making a point. I don't agree with 600 6* Shards a War. That's too high over time. Hence my spiel about balance over time. Lol.

Kobster84

You do realize t1 is like the top 30 allies in the game I don’t think this is too high at all

GroundedWisdom

The suggestion presented was T1-5 should have an extra 1500 5* Shards and an extra 500(6?) per War. That's too high over time. Wars run every week. Non-stop. Add them up.

Kobster84

Ye and now add an event negative zone bounty missions which were about 10 times easier and tell that this is unreasonable

GroundedWisdom

Those Bounties were increased because the EQ was shorter. They were so high that people were dealt with for exploiting them. That is definitely not a norm.

Kobster84

Even not exploiting them they were 1800 5* shards every 2 days and they lasted longer then the eq

LeNoirFaineant

The connection to AQ is that you alleged that increasing the war rewards would widen the gap, and then it was pointed out that AQ is currently widening said gap. So it would seem that Kabam isn't all that concerned about this gap.

GroundedWisdom

For doing a few Fights. They were more because it ran less than a full month. We have Events that are high payout from time to time. That doesn't mean the rest of the game can follow suit. I got a 5* using 2*s from the Road to a Million. Doesn't mean every Arena can be like that.

Kobster84

Yet content that’s probabaly about 10 times as hard has about half the rewards seems right yeh

Robby199696

My ally finished plat 1. I think the highest death count seen was around 50 but that was when a war was already decided. I think the difficulty was slightly increased on a few paths but there are not any nodes as tough as some from the old map. This map is more of bringing counters to fights, but most people try to run through everything with the same team which may lead to those higher death counts

DrZola

Let me preface this by saying this isn’t a personal attack—but is your ally trying to catch the top alliances? Or even close the gap? Because mine isn’t and neither are about 99% of the alliances out there.

The gap grows wider because the players at the top are willing to play more, spend more and in some cases mod more than anyone else. If you can look at top players and think they aren’t growing at a much faster rate than those even in the 95th percentile, then I’m not sure we are playing the same game. Brand new champs are acquired, awakened and maxed quicker than most of us can accrue enough shards to open a basic 5* crystal.

All the talk (from a host of people) about balance from top to bottom strikes me as a little silly. Balance went out the window a long time ago.

Dr. Zola