Alliance Wars - Defense Tactics and Rewards Update Discussion Thread

When you're talking about "more, more, more", balance absolutely factors in. We're not talking about trying to close in on the Top Ally, or even Top 3. We're talking about balancing the overall Rewards earnable. Rewards for the top few are going to be more. Otherwise, there's no incentive to BE the top. Yes, there are some Allies who we will never likely catch up with. Happens with just about any game such as this I can think of. Balance overall is a different story entirely.

No. My point is there has to BE a balance with Rewards. They can't just add more willy nilly. It has to be in the perspective of a number of things. I had no argument about the gap between AQ and AW. Just the opposite. I said you can't expect them to amp up War just to compete with AQ. That's not what the systems are designed around. What we have is people choosing to focus on AQ more, and that's their choice. Can't expect them to add more Rewards just to bring people back to it. I'm all for balancing and improving systems. I'm not for adding Rewards just to satiate.

I think the “more” chorus comes from the fact that AW will likely be made more difficult with just a meager increase in rewards. Some map changes (like mobility) have been long overdue and are welcome. These most recent ones? Not as much.

Perhaps wars at lower tiers don’t feel like they’ve gotten more difficult or will get more difficult with the new changes. And perhaps the increased prizes at those levels feel lavish as well. I don’t know—I play for fun with old friends now and bump around below T3.

Just musing over some of the champ possibilities on the map with certain global nodes makes me less enchanted with AW than I was before. And throwing me a few extra scraps to do it? Doesn’t sit well.

Dr. Zola

4Never

In addition to that, there was is a huge neglect of quality of life improvements to the game. I’ve been compiling a list for a while, not just about war.

One For example, after loading into your placed AW BG (attack/or spectate your attack phase), to view your alliance’s other bg’s attack you have to leave and go back to the AW main screen to spectate the others. For officers, monitoring AW they have to jump around additional screens all the time to view offense and defense. From any bg screen, there should be buttons to jump to anyone of the other 5 different screens.

Also when in AQ or AW why can’t I switch/slide chat and have access to the join button that is available like when I’m on the home screen or quest map?? No, instead I have to load to main then go, or load alliance screen then use the buttons there. I should be able to go straight (1 screen load) from AQ to AW, and back, etc.

To check arena milsestones for events , or like hero use, you have to leave arena , back to main screen to check, then go back to arena. Put a button on the arena screen so that we can check without having to leave:

It’s ridiculous how many two + screen loads you you have to make to simply get from one content area of the game to the other. Should be 1 screen load to most major content areas.

They have the large drop down menu at the top that is very under utilized.

Yes, should be in a different thread I know, but this triggered my frustration about their lack of UI and and information improvements across the board.

I haven't argued that they aren't more difficult. Difficult enough has always been the end goal.

mostlyharmlessn

Or just get rid of seasons completely and buff per war rewards accordingly

Difficult enough? What precisely do you believe that to mean?

Dr. Zola

mostlyharmlessn

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So basically you are turning this into IMIW/MODOK wars....

The level of difficulty they have intended the higher Tiers to be. They've been quite upfront that their goals were that 100% should be a rarity.
For me personally, I'd say it's the top. It should be hard. If not, then War literally becomes like AQ, and no matter what they put out, people grow accustomed to it. That's not a goal I would like to see. Top Tier shouldn't be easy.
There is also a subversive implication here that I don't necessarily agree with. Any time they change something or make it harder, they're obligated to increase the Rewards. I don't agree with that default.

4Never

Haha, don’t rule out the evading and power gain S size champs. Domino, Medusa, Magik, Emma, Wasp, etc, just to name some of the more fun ones. Also all of the spider man /Gwen champs.

The complexity this brings now is crazy, especially for officers.
The difficulty for attackers is significantly increased. As if the item use wasn’t already high enough for most/some in my alliance. lol

Well, I don’t have the experience playing this content at T1, so I’m not comfortable telling a T1 player that the difficulty-rewards balance is sufficient. I will leave that to you.

But I can tell you as it stands right now it appears it may well suck the last scintilla of fun out of T3-4-5.

Dr. Zola

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You can be flagrantly wordy, but I can smell the same argument a mile away. I shouldn't talk because I'm not there. Is that the implication?
Not once did I say it was sufficient for what's required at that level. I disagreed with the suggestions put forth because they amounted to too much over time. I'm looking at the total over time, in relation to Reward flows within the whole system. The argument is subjective regardless. Ask me what my time and energy is worth, and I assure you I earn less.

That's about 2 years ago there, bud. That holds no power over me anymore.

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If you would like to talk about the topic, I'm all ears. If you're just trying to expose me somehow, there's literally no secrets on here. As I said, been down that road. Not interested or bothered. Do you have anything to add to the discussion, or are you just trying to call me out?

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No implication—and I’m pretty sure I don’t take the title as the most flagrantly wordy guy on the forums.

I’m simply not comfortable telling higher ranked players how to play the game or that the game at their level is rewarded enough or difficult enough. I’ve got no insight on the inner workings of the game system, but I do have a decent sense of what the game feels like at my level and the levels nearby, and I think that qualifies me to comment on that. Offering insight into areas beyond my expertise would, for me, just be bloviating.

Dr. Zola

DrPepper_75

War rewards are not very good. All the effort for such little rewards. Got better rewards doing the epic Spider-Man ticket thing then we got in the monthly war doesn’t make sense.My alliance is just going to focus on quest more ROI.

If you can point out anywhere in this conversation I told people how to play the game, or that it is rewarded enough or difficult enough, I'll accept that statement. Otherwise, you're interjecting things I never said.

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Sorry you feel that way, I'm going to continue with the discussion all the same.

I think if you reread the comments made on page 12 of this thread, you can see how someone would conclude otherwise. Perhaps all the talk about balance and candy-trailing and difficult enough wasn’t meant that way, but that’s certainly how it comes across.

Dr. Zola

My comments are my comments. I'm not responsible for what people add to what they read. On the subject of expecting War to entice people back into playing it, absolutely. I agree with Rewards being scaled to the content they're in and balanced within the game among the various other systems. What I don't agree with is expecting the game team to add Rewards just to buy people back into War. That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty, or how to play. That has to do with a personal issue with War and expectations. If people decide they no longer want to run Wars competitively, we can't expect them to add more Rewards just to curve that. That's a Pandora's Box. That has very little to do with War and a great deal more to do with demands.

This added layer of complexity is what concerns me. I can understand wanting to make 100% clears rare. But at some point, who keeps playing an aspect of the game where you repeatedly get your head kicked in?

I hope I’m wrong.

Dr. Zola

Eric987

I played in a master alliance last season. The biggest issue currently facing the end game players who are not whales popping cavalier crystals or crazy arena grinders is shards. I’ve completed all content in the game except 6.2 completion. The reason for that is because of the current gating system put in place. It’s hard to bring 4 5* skill champs to a path in 6.2 when your second best skill champ is a r3 crossbones. It’s hard to bring 4 6* to a path when your best 6* is nebula (who is actually underrated). The current amount of champs in the 5* and 6* crystals are so high that it’s very hard to get certain champs, especially awaken them. People need to stop treating 5* and 6* shards like they should be these super rare items for end game players. We are giving feedback to Kabam based on our playing experience and we need more shards.

LeNoirFaineant

They dropped that 100% should be rare thing a long time ago @GroundedWisdom. It was misguided and is not part of the current goal. You are speaking a lot of generalities about "balance" and "hard" and then acting as though somehow that justifies the mediocre rewards buff lol.