Dr Strange vs Electro and thorns

Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
edited August 2017 in Suggestions and Requests
Hello,
To start, I've sent messages from the game app contact feature, but never received a message back regarding any answer about my thoughts.
Taking full understanding in the facts that Dr Strange only uses energy based attacks and never makes physical contact with any of his opponents, he should be completely immune to the effects of thorns and Electro's static damage or any effect that causes damage from making physical contact.

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  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Member Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    And Magneto and most of Dormammu's attacks
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    Yes I definitely recall saying that about magneto as well when I messaged kabam through the game app... anyone with energy based attacks shouldn't take thorns damage or any physical attack effects type damage
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    Just to clarify, they replicate any damage effects as a physical damage, so whatever ur type of damage is, it can't bypass it...except for projectile his, like yondu
  • FAL7ENFAL7EN Member Posts: 297
    Yea you have to stick to Dr. Stranges sp2 and sp3. I used to use him all the time for thorns before the nerf.

    Back in topic now Kabam should change DS and Magento attacks to energy instead of physical.
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    FAL7EN wrote: »
    Yea you have to stick to Dr. Stranges sp2 and sp3. I used to use him all the time for thorns before the nerf.

    Back in topic now Kabam should change DS and Magento attacks to energy instead of physical.

    They r already doing energy dmg but again, energy attacks still trigger thotns and static shock
  • FAL7ENFAL7EN Member Posts: 297
    edited August 2017
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    FAL7EN wrote: »
    Yea you have to stick to Dr. Stranges sp2 and sp3. I used to use him all the time for thorns before the nerf.

    Back in topic now Kabam should change DS and Magento attacks to energy instead of physical.

    They r already doing energy dmg but again, energy attacks still trigger thotns and static shock
    Just another change Kabam needs to make, guess we'll see if it ever happens.

    Now that I think about it should be changed asap since energy attackers have a disadvantage against Ultron, Electro and thorns nodes.
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    The main reason why I brought this up is because when Dr Strange hits a duped Ultron, he heals him or when he hits a blocking Ms/Cap'n Marvel, she gains power... it doesn't make sense to punish the user in both of these situations. If energy attacks are based on only energy damage then those champs who use that for of attack should not take damage from physical contact damage effects
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    Form*
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    The main reason why I brought this up is because when Dr Strange hits a duped Ultron, he heals him or when he hits a blocking Ms/Cap'n Marvel, she gains power... it doesn't make sense to punish the user in both of these situations. If energy attacks are based on only energy damage then those champs who use that for of attack should not take damage from physical contact damage effects

    Lol all attacks got their adv and dis adv...like energy hits dmg wouldn't be reduced with physical resistance unlike physical hits dmg
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    What's so weird about my explanation? Champs that deal energy damage shouldn't take damage from those sources that inflict damage against physical contact. It's as weird as seeing a fight against Ultron with the original black panther where he is causing Ultron to gain health from each physical attack...
    In short, anyone who fights with Dr Strange knows that he is solely energy based in all of his attacks, he should not take any form of damage from Electro, thorns, nor any other type of physical contact type effects
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    What's so weird about my explanation? Champs that deal energy damage shouldn't take damage from those sources that inflict damage against physical contact. It's as weird as seeing a fight against Ultron with the original black panther where he is causing Ultron to gain health from each physical attack...
    In short, anyone who fights with Dr Strange knows that he is solely energy based in all of his attacks, he should not take any form of damage from Electro, thorns, nor any other type of physical contact type effects

    Ultron got a big adv against ds...what's the problem in this? All champs got those strong and weak match ups...and according to what u say "as ds does energy dmg, he shouldn't take physical dmg" that means ds wouldn't be ever killed except with energy dmg, that will be so unbalanced
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    Dropfaith wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    So if you don't touch fire does it hurt you?
    Tada simple the energy attacks aren't touching the enemy thus shouldn't take damage from a contact

    So is iceman immune to coldsnap? R floating champs immune to concussion? Same logic is used in here
  • FAL7ENFAL7EN Member Posts: 297
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    What's so weird about my explanation? Champs that deal energy damage shouldn't take damage from those sources that inflict damage against physical contact. It's as weird as seeing a fight against Ultron with the original black panther where he is causing Ultron to gain health from each physical attack...
    In short, anyone who fights with Dr Strange knows that he is solely energy based in all of his attacks, he should not take any form of damage from Electro, thorns, nor any other type of physical contact type effects

    Ultron got a big adv against ds...what's the problem in this? All champs got those strong and weak match ups...and according to what u say "as ds does energy dmg, he shouldn't take physical dmg" that means ds wouldn't be ever killed except with energy dmg, that will be so unbalanced

    I think you need to re-read the original post, your taking things out on context.
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    FAL7EN wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    What's so weird about my explanation? Champs that deal energy damage shouldn't take damage from those sources that inflict damage against physical contact. It's as weird as seeing a fight against Ultron with the original black panther where he is causing Ultron to gain health from each physical attack...
    In short, anyone who fights with Dr Strange knows that he is solely energy based in all of his attacks, he should not take any form of damage from Electro, thorns, nor any other type of physical contact type effects

    Ultron got a big adv against ds...what's the problem in this? All champs got those strong and weak match ups...and according to what u say "as ds does energy dmg, he shouldn't take physical dmg" that means ds wouldn't be ever killed except with energy dmg, that will be so unbalanced

    I think you need to re-read the original post, your taking things out on context.

    I was answering ur weird question, never got off the topic, just get more information then get back and start complaining...damn most spider gwens r dumb
  • FAL7ENFAL7EN Member Posts: 297
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    FAL7EN wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    What's so weird about my explanation? Champs that deal energy damage shouldn't take damage from those sources that inflict damage against physical contact. It's as weird as seeing a fight against Ultron with the original black panther where he is causing Ultron to gain health from each physical attack...
    In short, anyone who fights with Dr Strange knows that he is solely energy based in all of his attacks, he should not take any form of damage from Electro, thorns, nor any other type of physical contact type effects

    Ultron got a big adv against ds...what's the problem in this? All champs got those strong and weak match ups...and according to what u say "as ds does energy dmg, he shouldn't take physical dmg" that means ds wouldn't be ever killed except with energy dmg, that will be so unbalanced

    I think you need to re-read the original post, your taking things out on context.

    I was answering ur weird question, never got off the topic, just get more information then get back and start complaining...damn most spider gwens r dumb
    Wrong person big man.

    Anyways back on subject this is something the devs need to look into.

  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    Dropfaith wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Dropfaith wrote: »
    Shadow_roast wrote: »
    Vargas9970 wrote: »
    That is irrelevant to what I am explaining. Energy attacks deal energy damage. There is not physical contact. So why would any of the champs that do use energy based attacks receive damage from a physical contact effect!?

    Dude what is that weird question, those champs that deal energy based attacks are NOT immune to physical based dmg..

    So if you don't touch fire does it hurt you?
    Tada simple the energy attacks aren't touching the enemy thus shouldn't take damage from a contact

    So is iceman immune to coldsnap? R floating champs immune to concussion? Same logic is used in here

    They should be that's the point

    Yes, but they ain't immune, and u know that won't be changed, so why complaining, i saw many threads about the logic in the game and they never got an answer from moderators, so i think they just want us to live with it
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Physical attacks that deal energy damage, tada.
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Member Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    edited August 2017
    Physical attacks
    Energy attacks

    Ranged attacks
    Melee attacks

    There's actually 4 total categories when you multiply 2 by 2
  • Anonymous346Anonymous346 Member Posts: 661 ★★★
    This would make Dr. Strange a god tier champ again
  • ThisguyThisguy Member Posts: 80
    I think Mr_Otter explained it the best. Even though it's an energy attack it's still melee. Just like how ranged melee attacks don't trigger electrostatic. Instead of energy/physical it goes off melee/ranged.
  • SlyCat42SlyCat42 Member Posts: 504 ★★
    It all comes down to how it is coded. There is nothing in game that can distinguish the fact that a melee attack (or basic attack) used by a champion is ranged or not. They could try to code it in, but I'm not sure what they are working with for the basis of the game.

    So, it's probably not that they decided it should work that way, but rather that is how the game coding works and to change it would require some kind of work-around. Then that work-around would also probably make weird bugs happen (like trying to code in their basic attacks to work like ranged specials, thus breaking them in any way that interacts with specials).

    Maybe someday though if they update the code.
  • cUbA_LiBrEcUbA_LiBrE Member Posts: 1,123 Guardian
    This I also don't really understand. So ernergy based attacks are phisical attacks even Dr. Strange or Magneto are not touching the opponent. But a laser beam wich is also an Engergy based attack and is not touching the opponent, is not a phisical attack?
    Yondus Yaka arrorw is definetly phisical but does not trigger thornes because he is not touching them.
    IMO Dr. Strange, Dormammu and Magneto should be immune to thornes.
  • CavalierCavalier Member Posts: 246 ★
    If DS is hitting close enough for his Energy attack to hurt some one, why do you thing that Electro's electricity would not arch out and hit him back?
    If that is not good enough, game balance is needed.
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    I do see how being a melee attack instead of physical or energy based makes sense but what makes my initial question valid is that those same attacks take on two different disadvantages.

    First: fighting against champs that convert/absorb/take reduced damage from energy attacks will always abuse that capability since that's all Dr Strange does is use energy

    Second: fighting against physical based attack counter effects such as thorns, spiked armor, Electro, etc... will still be senseless because again he only does energy based attacks

    Compared to all champs in the game, it's plainly obvious that Dr Strange is widely affected by numerous disadvantages while there's certain champs that have barely any to truly consider.

    I feel that if there's settings allowing abilities/effects to count his attacks as energy based, clearly giving certain champs the upper hand, then why can there not be settings to ignore the effects that Electro/thorns/spiked armor does to his energy attacks?
  • Vargas9970Vargas9970 Member Posts: 23 ★
    Cavalier wrote: »
    If DS is hitting close enough for his Energy attack to hurt some one, why do you thing that Electro's electricity would not arch out and hit him back?
    If that is not good enough, game balance is needed.

    Well look at it like this... believe that Electro is an outlet socket on your wall, you have a thin rod in your left hand indicating physical attacks and a long tip lighter in your right hand indicating energy attacks... now put the thin rod in the socket and what happenes???
    Now light the lighter and put it as close as you can to the socket to burn it... what happens then???
    If you say anything other than what I'm about to say than you're a Huge Marvel hater and you should quit playing MCOC...
    You'll definitely get shocked with the rod and you'll simply burn the outlet without shocking the lighter not once.
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