Summoner Sigil - Discussion Thread

Hey Summoners!

We've just announced the introduction of our brand new service, the Summoner Sigil!

The Summoner Sigil is a subscription based service that delivers a number of Bonuses, all for the introductory price of a Star-Lord’s Loot Bag (9.99 USD) every 30 days. Find all the information, and learn about our 7-Day Free Trial for all Summoners (Level 10+), over here!

Comments

Kobster84

Whales? It's $0.33 cents a day, broski.
I’m really at a loss for words. This is a cheat code for whales. I am so completely disgusted by this that I’m almost ready to quit this game. I will not be paying for this complete nonsense.

120 quid a year probably 150 euro here which is a lot when you add it up

Player1994

i dont think this should be a vip options since it's not introducing some vip materials

-t2 and t3 catalyst
-4 and 5* shards

all of this is obsolute

the only good thing is the drop price for the featured 5* which was supposed to be an all based collecting drop to everyone ..

+ i remember you said many times that there will never be a reduction to how much a crystal should be opened with istead there will be more shards coming to the game .

not great / not great at all

Shalzz

This is against USA law . These kinda actions makes a lot of kids to buy such subscriptions. Games buying deals should be fair . It shouldn’t be biased like this. These kabam actions should be flagged. Kids will start stealing parents credit cards for this . Kabam shouldn’t do this . You should stick with normal deals which is fair and square . It shows too much biased for the people who try to enjoy game without loosing money and people like YouTubers spend a lot of money without understanding the value of currency. Like all other games, deals has to be fair and square . This is 100% forcing the game addicts people to pay money or ripping off money from them .

benshb

"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median wage for workers in the United States in the first quarter of 2019 was $905 per week or $47,060 per year for a 40-hour workweek..."

"As of 2019, the minimum salary in Budapest, Hungary is of 150,000 HUF or roughly €464 euros per month for unskilled labor.[...]The average salary in Budapest, Hungary is currently around 250,000 HUF (or €750 euros) after taxes in 2019."

10$ for US resident may feel like nothing, but 10$ for me in hungary is a lot. And there may be other countries with worse rates. Have you considered this, or you just came up with the idea and everything you saw and heard afterwards was "money"?

Vdh2008

Whales? It's $0.33 cents a day, broski.
I’m really at a loss for words. This is a cheat code for whales. I am so completely disgusted by this that I’m almost ready to quit this game. I will not be paying for this complete nonsense.

120 quid a year probably 150 euro here which is a lot when you add it up

You can do that with anything though... I use an extra piece of paper towel to wipe my hands, and that's about $0.03 cents worth... If I stopped doing that I could save $1000 in 91 years. That's a lot when you add it up...

GroundedWisdom

This is against USA law . These kinda actions makes a lot of kids to buy such subscriptions. Games buying deals should be fair . It shouldn’t be biased like this. These kabam actions should be flagged. Kids will start stealing parents credit cards for this . Kabam shouldn’t do this . You should stick with normal deals which is fair and square . It shows too much biased for the people who try to enjoy game without loosing money and people like YouTubers spend a lot of money without understanding the value of currency. Like all other games, deals has to be fair and square . This is 100% forcing the game addicts people to pay money or ripping off money from them .

This breaks no Laws.

Vdh2008

"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median wage for workers in the United States in the first quarter of 2019 was $905 per week or $47,060 per year for a 40-hour workweek..."

"As of 2019, the minimum salary in Budapest, Hungary is of 150,000 HUF or roughly €464 euros per month for unskilled labor.[...]The average salary in Budapest, Hungary is currently around 250,000 HUF (or €750 euros) after taxes in 2019."

10$ for US resident may feel like nothing, but 10$ for me in hungary is a lot. And there may be other countries with worse rates. Have you considered this, or you just came up with the idea and everything you saw and heard afterwards was "money"?

Are you infuriated by the current deal in the store that is giving away an R3 5 star for $100 USD then?

Honestly, this is just another OFFER. Buy it if you like it, skip it if you don't.

Remeli

Kabam has made a LOT of bad decision lately but thats the cake. I'm not gonna repeat what everyone else said so far but i agree with most of it.

What the people that agree with this decision fail to understand is that if this goes thru, it opens up the door to even more stuff like that. Once thats in the game, whats stopping Kabam from raising the price a bit and add a small number of 6* shards or t5b to the black market? Or maybe only people with the Sigil have access to slightly better offers? etc.

Kabam is like a kid. Once you allows them to do something, they'll ask for even more next time and there wont be any turning back.

VAviV

$10 is not bad compared to what you get in the unit store...F2P players will be perfectly fine not getting it. Remember, end of the day it's a business!

Webby72

Basic 5* arena for VIP? Wouldn’t be surprised since everything else that’s been asked for is VIP

GroundedWisdom

Kabam has made a LOT of bad decision lately but thats the cake. I'm not gonna repeat what everyone else said so far but i agree with most of it.

What the people that agree with this decision fail to understand is that if this goes thru, it opens up the door to even more stuff like that. Once thats in the game, whats stopping Kabam from raising the price a bit and add a small number of 6* shards or t5b to the black market? Or maybe only people with the Sigil have access to slightly better offers? etc.

Kabam is like a kid. Once you allows them to do something, they'll ask for even more next time and there wont be any turning back.

If so, what difference? Some will buy it and get the few extras. Those that don't buy it will continue to play and progress the same way without it.

Zuko_ILC

Basically everything that should be free and Kabam should've implemented are now being included for a cost instead of a fix. I will pass as I don't care about the inventory or gold at this point in the game.

GroundedWisdom

Okay, that's dramatic over an Offer.

DanielYork

$120 a year for what? No gold shortage if you have been using the units from arena to buy cavalier crystals. Energy reduction not significant enough to make a difference. Inventory cap is annoying but I don’t see this making a big difference, most of my stuff will still be full. It feels like an attempt to make this a subscription based game, without really offering too much.

Surfin_silver

Cant you guys just make the gold realms free for everyone and just add a 20% gold boost to the subscription?

Mauled

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.
Pay to win? You can also win for free. Spending has been a part of the game as long as I can remember. As long as people can spend, they'll have access to what others don't. That's what they're paying for.
If people are somehow implying that F2P Players won't be able to progress without spending, that will never happen. Ever. All spending does is save time and accelerate progress. There will always be a place for F2P Players in this game. They go to lengths to make sure of it.
However, it's not a game where people who don't spend should have everything those that do have. I don't know where this illusion of closing in on the gap came from, but I have to be "that guy". People who don't spend will not catch up to people who spend regularly, and they definitely won't catch up to people who spend insane amounts like COW. That's just not going to happen. People who have money get more. That's true for the game, and life in general.
What F2P Players CAN do is play for free, grow at their own pace, and still compete in the game. They're never going to be edged out in a way that makes playing obsolete. They just won't be head-to-head with people spending money. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the gap is real with or without this Offer, and what's included here doesn't make a difference for that either way.

That in and of itself isn't the issue. Whales be whales and F2P plod along at their own place, if you want to be F2P and still play in the elite you have to put in the hours and strategise carefully like Brian Grant. I think the crux of this is that it's pretty poor value for what most people perceive are things that should have been implemented already as the game has evolved - like most other online games do - and that is why there is a bad taste.

If this had been preceded by a huge wall of text that said bug fixes of A-Z and catalyst capacity upgrade, and didn't have the energy recharge reduction I think this would have been greeted with a "meh, I'm F2P so it doesn't really affect me", or "I'll probably end up buying units/offers anyway this month, may as well get it."

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Webby72

Okay, that's dramatic over an Offer.

That’s the problem. An offer is a rank 3 5* of your choice for £100.
This is a subscription that offers what should arguably be available for free, for an ‘introduction price’ of £10 a month, which may well increase. My main worry is that this is a bad sign for the future. If they’ll do this they may do more

benshb

"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median wage for workers in the United States in the first quarter of 2019 was $905 per week or $47,060 per year for a 40-hour workweek..."

"As of 2019, the minimum salary in Budapest, Hungary is of 150,000 HUF or roughly €464 euros per month for unskilled labor.[...]The average salary in Budapest, Hungary is currently around 250,000 HUF (or €750 euros) after taxes in 2019."

10$ for US resident may feel like nothing, but 10$ for me in hungary is a lot. And there may be other countries with worse rates. Have you considered this, or you just came up with the idea and everything you saw and heard afterwards was "money"?
Are you infuriated by the current deal in the store that is giving away an R3 5 star for $100 USD then?

Honestly, this is just another OFFER. Buy it if you like it, skip it if you don't.

Wow, I see you got the point...

MojoX

This seems like an unpopular opinion but as a F2P player I’m ok with this. If 6* shards or T5B fragments were offered I would be more upset (and enticed!), but as it stands this seems like a good benefit to those who purchase it, while not really affecting those who don’t. Based off the feedback it seems like Kabam would do themselves a favor by giving universal buffs in energy and storage, and then still give more to Sigil subscribers on top of that.

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GroundedWisdom

Wow. Even more pay to win options. Congratulations on being so greedy, Kabam.
This isn't even close to pay to win, this is pay to get a few more benefits than free players do, same as always.
This is the literal definition of pay to win. Some of these things do provide some form of competitive advantage, and you're paying for them.
Pay to win? You can also win for free. Spending has been a part of the game as long as I can remember. As long as people can spend, they'll have access to what others don't. That's what they're paying for.
If people are somehow implying that F2P Players won't be able to progress without spending, that will never happen. Ever. All spending does is save time and accelerate progress. There will always be a place for F2P Players in this game. They go to lengths to make sure of it.
However, it's not a game where people who don't spend should have everything those that do have. I don't know where this illusion of closing in on the gap came from, but I have to be "that guy". People who don't spend will not catch up to people who spend regularly, and they definitely won't catch up to people who spend insane amounts like COW. That's just not going to happen. People who have money get more. That's true for the game, and life in general.
What F2P Players CAN do is play for free, grow at their own pace, and still compete in the game. They're never going to be edged out in a way that makes playing obsolete. They just won't be head-to-head with people spending money. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the gap is real with or without this Offer, and what's included here doesn't make a difference for that either way.
That in and of itself isn't the issue. Whales be whales and F2P plod along at their own place, if you want to be F2P and still play in the elite you have to put in the hours and strategise carefully like Brian Grant. I think the crux of this is that it's pretty poor value for what most people perceive are things that should have been implemented already as the game has evolved - like most other online games do - and that is why there is a bad taste.

If this had been preceded by a huge wall of text that said bug fixes of A-Z and catalyst capacity upgrade, and didn't have the energy recharge reduction I think this would have been greeted with a "meh, I'm F2P so it doesn't really affect me", or "I'll probably end up buying units/offers anyway this month, may as well get it."

Things that should have been implemented aren't the same as things that are wanted. I can understand the request for Inventory increases. Mind you, I'm not too keen on being so selective that Resources are sat on for years and years. However, I get where people are coming from on that. Why it's included in this Offer is unclear to me. Perhaps so that the Items aren't expiring that people are subscribing for.
Gold and Energy aren't topics I really agree that are due for "quality of life". Gold is a Resource that's available in the game. Scores of people have it and manage it, and spend it within their means. The constant request for Gold is blind to spending habits. The issue comes up constantly, and people keep saying the system needs changed, but they don't look at the fact that they spend until they don't have any. It's a Bottleneck Resource. It's meant to limit you because higher Champs and higher Rarities take more. That's by design. You're supposed to take longer to Rank higher Champs. If everyone in the entire system had no Gold, I might see credence. Many people do. It's available.
Energy is another topic that isn't really a necessity to increase. EQ takes a significant amount of Energy, and the Quest is available all month. I have yet to see one that couldn't be done within a month. The Energy cost is part of what's required to earn Resources, and we have all month to do it.
So the only argument I see with that respect is Inventory. I don't necessarily agree that quality of life involves other aspects.

GroundedWisdom

@GroundedWisdom f2p players already progress slower. Giving us all a gold quest and some extra catalyst inventory isn’t too hard. Once again, typical of you to defend Kabam

They're always going to progress slower. That was the whole point I was making.

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digital-SOB

We should get all this for free if we are cavalier

GroundedWisdom

Also cavs get 125k gold a week. This makes them progress even faster with more gold to rank up champs

They have more Champs to Rank.

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