**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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Actually they don't. Happened to me at a bank's ATM. Took out $300, gave me $900. Went inside to the teller and told them and wanted to make sure $900 didn't come out of my account. It didn't and told me to keep the extra $600 and thanked me for letting them know before they lost too much money and shut the machine off. I was happy, moved all the rest of my accounts to that bank and have been with only them ever since.
Maybe it is, still would be a bad idea to enforce it.
Actually they do. Using your one example that is impossible to prove is even true does not change facts. A banks glitch does not make the money yours anymore than this glitch makes the rewards the users. The difference is that users are going back to the atm constantly in this case to keep getting extra. That is NOT OK.
People love to hate on kabam but this isn't about them it's about the thousands of players who are hurt by this.
And it is kabam's mistake that it happened, not the players.
I think there is a big difference between a simple mistake and an exploit though. To use your bank example: if you had gone back out and started using the ATM to get hundreds or thousands more money out of it then it is an exploit and would probably come with some form of punishment. The same can probably be inferred about players that found the exploit and continued to use it by purchasing energy refills to re-run the quests over and over.
That's not the same issue, they laid out the rewards in front of you, as well as the terms of service. Exploiting a glitch is not allowed. That analogy isn't even close to what is going on here. It's more like you go to the self checkout and scan a case of coke, and it charges you for a single. Even though the price is advertised right and you know there is a glitch, and then go back and get 23 more cases so that in the end you've paid full price but got 24x the quantity you were supposed to be paying for.
You are knowingly taking advantage of a pricing glitch in an automated system and if the guy at the door checks your receipt and it shows you've paid for 24 singles while you're trying to walk out with 24 cases, there is going to be a problem.
At least that is a fair comparison. My feeling if I was in Kabam's shoes, is these items didn't actually cost us anything, it is not worth the backlash from the customers to go take them back. I think many are missing the point that these items aren't real. They hold no actual value. Each one handed out does not cost the company more in production, materials, shipping or labor cost. Kabam made a programming error, it happens, they ask the playing community to deal with it as they work on fixes, I don't think it is fair minded to then say that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own errors.
Fair comparison, but I disagree. If these items these people were getting held any actual value, I probably would agree. But there really is no getting around the fact that they don't and cost the company nothing to just let them keep the rewards.
You also have to account for the differences in the way kabam deals with errors that do not benefit the playing community. Their answer to us for the most part is deal with it we will try to fix it or hope you give up complaining about it. All I am saying to them in this case is the same, deal with it and work on trying to fix it.
These items do have a real value. Both to the player base that has already spent lots of money to purchase or earn the items that other players are currently getting for free due to a glitch and also to kabam in lost revenue as players getting this stuff for free would be unlikely to purchase any deals they may offer in the near future
They don't have real value. They aren't real items and can be removed from existence with a keystroke, they can be reproduced infinite times without cost to the manufacturer. Just because something costs money to obtain does not mean it holds any value. The revenue lost is minuscule and offset somewhat because many of the players that got them wouldn't have spent money or units to get the same items but did probably use money or units to get energy refills to take advantage of the glitch.
So nothing digital has any value? By your own example movies and music aren't real items.
Perhaps a better word would be tangible versus intangible.
Well it would be a poor business decision on the company's part. But they probably will remove them, I have not found them to be a particularly adept at customer care and service.
Your TOS you've cited state the in-game items have no value and are the property of Kabam. Even if we spent, we aren't entitled to those items if Kabam chooses to take them away or bans us.
If you think that's ridiculous that's the point because they all do have actual value.
They may both have value but there are different rights and laws as it relates to both. Just pointing it out. Now feel free to go on with your ranting...sorry to interrupt.
Can you take the 1000 5* shards to a pawn shop and get anything for them? Can you resell them even to another player in the playing community? Can you use them in trade to obtain other items outside the game? They hold no value, they cost money, but retain none of the investment.
Fair point, I disagree.
I know. Thank you for making my point and adding nothing else to the conversation.
Seriously? So you're agreeing again that digital items of any kind that can't be brought to a pawnshop have no value and only tangible items do.
I don't even know what to tell you if that's what you think. Good luck in life I guess?
Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity
Like literally I'm watching these dudes do heroic over and over
No, digital items that can not be resold hold no value. A cup of coffee has value, does it hold its value after you drink it? Can you resell it once your body has finished using it? Would you say that cup of coffee held any value after it was consumed? These items cost money, they have a value in obtaining, they hold no value once obtained. The only value they hold to the company that produced them is what someone is willing to give them for it. They cannot reuse or resell the raw materials of an unsold item. Can the company inventory their digital items and account for them in an asset ledger? The item does not exist until it is sold, it loses all value once it is obtained. It holds no value.
I say, why not let them keep worthless things? Makes them happy, costs nothing. Trust me, I understand what value means.
Because, in my opinion, it is the wisest choice for the company to make. I don't really think there is a right choice here as any they choose have some problems. And I am enjoying the debate, some have made solid points.