What else can Rogue do?
Magrailothos
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Rogue is an interesting character, and I'm wondering about ranking her up, so thought I should do some research. It's pretty clear she's a decent champ (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/365647#Comment_365647). Current score: 88% 'Good', 10% 'Okay', 2% 'bad' from 129 votes.
Then I fought her with Hyperion in the arena this morning, which was interesting: I slipped up and let her touch me during her S1, so she briefly stole my power gain buff. Then I hit her with my S3, fought a bit more and won the match. However: Hyperion didn't convert any more cosmic counters to Power Gain buffs for the rest of the match, despite being at low power levels.
I presume this is a non-bug upset in the game mechanics, like Mephisto blocking Ice Armour at the beginning of the match so it never reforms after Soul Imprisonment is over; and I'm fine with it - happens rarely, and the Cosmic counters still boost your damage and resilience. On the other hand it's an interesting way of countering his power gain - anyone want to try this against Nameless Hyperion? Also, it reminded me about a thread discussing Rogue countering Spiked Armour - https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/58682/rogue-counters-spiked-armor#latest
As @taojay1 explains, if Rogue uses her sp1 when the opponent has the physical resistance buff from spiked armour, she steals all the stacks of physical resistance; but also while she holds the buff, spiked armour will not reflect damage back to Rogue.
A thread about Rogue here (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/299585#Comment_299585) has a few interesting pointers:
- Rogue does great on Power Shield nodes - presumably she gets the 400% boost to her Life Steal as well?
- @silverseraph made a suggestion that if she has stolen Fury effects, they'll boost the life steal as well - correct?
- @taojay1 again here, mentions Rogue working well against Flare as well as Buffet nodes - when she steals a buff, Buffet converts it to regeneration; but she steals that too.
On the other hand buffs don't always seem to function quite as they do for the original owner - in this thread (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/376730#Comment_376730), it seems that whilst Rogue can steal Iceman's Ice Armour, she only gets the armour itself and not the 5% damage shrug.
There are some Youtube videos, such as Gran Scheme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbQ4Nh4MD-g&t=2s or Seatin 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTmBDHsNUU that are interesting; but nothing much more than described above. So, I thought it would be interesting to generate a thread asking the community for ways others might not have realised to use this versatile mutant, and sharing the results of my own research. Share below, if you've got any further thoughts about what she can do, and how she works. Thanks!
Then I fought her with Hyperion in the arena this morning, which was interesting: I slipped up and let her touch me during her S1, so she briefly stole my power gain buff. Then I hit her with my S3, fought a bit more and won the match. However: Hyperion didn't convert any more cosmic counters to Power Gain buffs for the rest of the match, despite being at low power levels.
I presume this is a non-bug upset in the game mechanics, like Mephisto blocking Ice Armour at the beginning of the match so it never reforms after Soul Imprisonment is over; and I'm fine with it - happens rarely, and the Cosmic counters still boost your damage and resilience. On the other hand it's an interesting way of countering his power gain - anyone want to try this against Nameless Hyperion? Also, it reminded me about a thread discussing Rogue countering Spiked Armour - https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/58682/rogue-counters-spiked-armor#latest
As @taojay1 explains, if Rogue uses her sp1 when the opponent has the physical resistance buff from spiked armour, she steals all the stacks of physical resistance; but also while she holds the buff, spiked armour will not reflect damage back to Rogue.
A thread about Rogue here (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/299585#Comment_299585) has a few interesting pointers:
- Rogue does great on Power Shield nodes - presumably she gets the 400% boost to her Life Steal as well?
- @silverseraph made a suggestion that if she has stolen Fury effects, they'll boost the life steal as well - correct?
- @taojay1 again here, mentions Rogue working well against Flare as well as Buffet nodes - when she steals a buff, Buffet converts it to regeneration; but she steals that too.
On the other hand buffs don't always seem to function quite as they do for the original owner - in this thread (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/376730#Comment_376730), it seems that whilst Rogue can steal Iceman's Ice Armour, she only gets the armour itself and not the 5% damage shrug.
There are some Youtube videos, such as Gran Scheme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbQ4Nh4MD-g&t=2s or Seatin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTmBDHsNUU that are interesting; but nothing much more than described above. So, I thought it would be interesting to generate a thread asking the community for ways others might not have realised to use this versatile mutant, and sharing the results of my own research. Share below, if you've got any further thoughts about what she can do, and how she works. Thanks!9
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can life steal on her s1, shrugs all debuffs off 70 percent faster, can prevent the enemy from using their own buff when she uses her s1 or s3, her s2 does power steal and massive damage and her s3 does insane damage too and also steals their buff if active during the time she launches her s3 so all in all she is a very good champ and always worth ranking up.
NOTE when duped shes an absolute beast. all her sp's have a higher chance of crit'ing doing even more damage and life steal and power steal!
No regrets after ranking her up before Voodoo unduped..
In hyperions case he couldn't trigger power gain but instead he got the cosmic charges
If you lose the power gain Hyperion will start to trigger power gain buffs normally
Its efficient in AQ
Archangel is also a good choice but then again 5* are the future
Besides AA has counters like bleed immune nodes or debuff immune nodes but rogue doesn't (just heal block ) and she shrugs off debuffs faster than normal really useful when kabam decides to throw us another ice Phoenix
@Anurag1606
He should have; but actually that was my point: he didn't.
Go for it. I've also got her, Nightcrawler, Storm and Iceman at 3/30; and AA at 4/40; and I'm wondering who is going to be most helpful in 5.2; although that wasn't the original aim of the thread.
Rogue - utility, reasonable damage
Nightcrawler Duped - evade + decent damage
Storm Duped - awesome damage with specials
Iceman Duped - immunity to almost everything, but low damage
AA - awesome DoT but dependent on bleed/poison.
Decisions, decisions...
I mean seriously, she sucks, literally and figuratively!
Her life sucking and power sucking ability, and crit if dupped, is making her demi-God tier, and everyone already knows about how awesome she sucks!
I have her as 5* but undupped, so currently at R2/35. Once dupped I will certainly bring her to R3/45, but may not rush her into R4 since resources are precious.
Simply put, if you play well with her she'll be your go to for almost everything (even doing poison and bleed nodes pretty well), however if you slip up it's going to really hurt.
@Magrailothos - even un-duped I would take a 5* to 3/45 over a 4* AA.
She works amazing with suicides.
Her quick debuffs expiracion is lifesaver.
Tought of 5/65 her but I got Bladeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Thanks for redirecting an old thread!
Actually the issue was that Hypes didn't convert his cosmic charges even after she'd lost the power gain buff she stole of him. Which isn't supposed to be the case - he's only supposed to be thus handicapped whilst she still holds the buff.
However it's no biggie, since his cosmic charges also give him passive Fury and Physical Resistance.
- she could have had a perfect mechanism for her making her more awesome on every fight.
- Persistant charge!!!
- she would steal life essence(a passive or a buff or a core ability of champion) and trigger in later fight when executing a combo with light attack
- for example ., Rogue starts fight with mormal life steal ability that lets her steal 5% life n 10% power on each specials,but if she is fighting against someone like captain marvel and defeats her she can trigger
binary ignition once in a next fight with light combo,or like if she is fighting someone like corvus ,she can trigger guranteed crit for some seconds in next fight,
- she could store about 7 life steal essence that she can trigger in a quest,(lot like diablo or ronin's passives that rolls thrugh entire fight and u can trigger those passive by executing combo with light attack that triggers that specific passive effect. only thing is if cap marvel's binary is for like 20 seconds n the rogue should have it cut by 7 seconds,& same for others(33% effectiveness only) , her ability shouldnt work on Tech champions at all and Skill champions cant provide her any passive essense so she couldt just double her life steal and powersteal against skill champions
There's a ton of situations where she can heal to full in one special. Stealing those furies from rage is a great example. Anyone node or champ that grants fury is healing food for her. Any node that boosts special attack damage or crit damage too. I've healed over 30k before!
Her power control is amazing. Perfect for strike back as you can spam L2 after L2.
She's one of the best immunity champs as she can shrug off any debuff 70% faster. Those nodes that remove 100% health from poison or bleed in 60 seconds actually only remove 30%. She can get stunned from mesmerise mid combo and shrug it off so fast she can continue the combo.
Preventing buffs from returning has some nice uses too.
She was my main lane clearer for both act 6 chapters for my initial clear and she'd finish her line at full health comfortably.
I really wouldn't shine a light on her though. Don't want any "fixes" 😂. She's amazing