Upcoming Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw Balance Changes

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  • The issue is this simple. They advertise something, they sell it for in game currency and real life dollars in some of their “early bundles”. Even if they lower Culls damage by 100 dps, no one spent money on that version, but we are forced to deal with it? If your car is defective you don’t eat that cost the dealership does. It’s not our fault the product wasn’t performing as intended, but we stand to lose money on something they decided to change? That’s the issue. If you want to make a champ better so people will buy him, go for it, but don’t make an already decent champ bad. Release the “data” and listen to our consensus as well. We play the game. We know what works and doesn’t. Or legit just hire KT1 lol
  • What I don’t understand is how KT1 has less time to test champs and finds all these unintended things? She-Hulk was claimed to be an anomaly and within a day a video was posted with like 6 other champs that had the same anomaly. How can one dude figure all this out? I’m assuming there’s a team of testers or QC guys? How can a finished product not be released? Maybe need tuning UP eventually based on the state of the game, but how down?
  • LoveshackLoveshack Posts: 72
    @Kabam Miike How does the community feel about these changes?
  • tkhan08tkhan08 Posts: 141
    If Kabam is going to reduce Cull's damage output, please increase his block proficiency.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    edited September 2019
    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    edited September 2019
    I mean, I'm not trying to sound rude, just exhausted with beating around the bush for fear people will get upset. Do people have a right to their feelings? Sure. The reactions are just too much. Let's wait and see what's coming.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    cdubby_22 said:

    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
    Shulk wasnt a bug until the abilities they gave the champ made end game content easily beatable. thats the problem, they made changes to make her better, gave her abilities based on a heavy attack, and when it hurt their bottom line they changed her again. It wasnt a bug, it doesnt say that hyperion's heavy attack takes twice as long as Civil Warrior, because the abilities dont describe the animations. It also doesnt say that you can hold Quakes heavy forever while you cant with others, do you mean to tell me because its not listed its a bug? Mean while we live with bugs forever. The issue with Cull is they continued to sell and push the champ without even telling us they were looking into an issue. When they started his review at some point they noticed the damage and started comparing him with others on all of the modes of the game. They said that in the statement so I bring it up because that is what were told. Obviously to do that comparison it would take time before they decided he needed to be changed. Because even you have said it takes time to test, so it wasnt over night. The moment they found something that they had to take a closer look we should have been notified on a closed thread so we could risk the buying of crystals and the rank ups. then when they had made the decision to make that announcement that changes were coming anyone that had bought the crystal or ranked up the champ couldnt complain because we knew they were looking into something. Instead the let the creator content program to send out videos after videos and offered that crystal on a weekly basis. I really dont see how you defend them, but we are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
    She was bugged. It was brought to their attention that way, but she wasn't the only Champ fixed.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    edited September 2019
    M_virk said:

    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
    Well clearly you spend money with a different mindset.
    1) majority of the people spend money to invest in a champ so it can help people clear current and future content.
    2) kabam doesn't have every right to change anything they want without any regard to their customers.
    3) Kabam is not transparent. If they were transparent then they would put out a clear set of rules of what's considered a bug or not. She hulk was only bugged until kabam decided that different animation speeds is a bug. Until then it was a part of the game. SS's description was know since day one and they took months to respond to that. AA ability was confirmed by kabam to be working as intended until they decided it was a bug and removed it. Cull's abilities were know since first week and nothing has changed with him since then. He was also fixed twice by kabam. And cull doesn't even meet the criteria of the 3 month rebalance since he was released more than 3 months ago and his nerf is scheduled 3 months from now.
    4) you can try to twist facts and say ss was a text error and she hulk was a bug and AA was a bug as well but it's not true, it never was and they were labeled as bug only after kabam decided that this was saving people units.

    5) its not blown out of proportion. Since it might be a small issue for you but people have thousands of dollars at stake here. You dont but alot of other people do. It's perfectly reasonable for people to question their rank ups, confront kabam or quit or boycott if they want to
    I spend my money with the awareness of what I'm spending on. We don't own anything. We aren't buying for any type of investment or return. We're leasing permission to use their product. THEIR product. They have the ONLY right to change it.
    I don't say that with complete abandon. They're not just moving pieces like Lego. They're making periodic adjustments to keep things further in line so we don't end up with extreme deficiencies later on. It's a tremendous amount of work to rework a Champ, and it strains content when you have those extremes. So what they're doing is reevaluating Champs every 3 months to prevent future issues as much as possible. They're not going through with a nerf gun. They're tweaking Champs to fill in gaps that will lead to larger problems later on.
    SS was a text error. They even discussed changing it as described and realized it would be too much. AA was just a bug, and a misinformed Mod who isn't here to defend themselves gave the wrong response.
    Cull was released more than 3 months ago. So was Maw. People asked, some begged, them to work on Maw. So they started with them instead of HT and Anny. If you're going to go back to Maw and ignore Cull's issues, that totally defeats the purpose of these tweaks.
    Facts. They matter.
  • You guys really have nothing to input for us Kabam?? We just waiting for people to get tired?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    cdubby_22 said:

    M_virk said:

    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
    Well clearly you spend money with a different mindset.
    1) majority of the people spend money to invest in a champ so it can help people clear current and future content.
    2) kabam doesn't have every right to change anything they want without any regard to their customers.
    3) Kabam is not transparent. If they were transparent then they would put out a clear set of rules of what's considered a bug or not. She hulk was only bugged until kabam decided that different animation speeds is a bug. Until then it was a part of the game. SS's description was know since day one and they took months to respond to that. AA ability was confirmed by kabam to be working as intended until they decided it was a bug and removed it. Cull's abilities were know since first week and nothing has changed with him since then. He was also fixed twice by kabam. And cull doesn't even meet the criteria of the 3 month rebalance since he was released more than 3 months ago and his nerf is scheduled 3 months from now.
    4) you can try to twist facts and say ss was a text error and she hulk was a bug and AA was a bug as well but it's not true, it never was and they were labeled as bug only after kabam decided that this was saving people units.

    5) its not blown out of proportion. Since it might be a small issue for you but people have thousands of dollars at stake here. You dont but alot of other people do. It's perfectly reasonable for people to question their rank ups, confront kabam or quit or boycott if they want to
    I spend my money with the awareness of what I'm spending on. We don't own anything. We aren't buying for any type of investment or return. We're leasing permission to use their product. THEIR product. They have the ONLY right to change it.
    I don't say that with complete abandon. They're not just moving pieces like Lego. They're making periodic adjustments to keep things further in line so we don't end up with extreme deficiencies later on. It's a tremendous amount of work to rework a Champ, and it strains content when you have those extremes. So what they're doing is reevaluating Champs every 3 months to prevent future issues as much as possible. They're not going through with a nerf gun. They're tweaking Champs to fill in gaps that will lead to larger problems later on.
    SS was a text error. They even discussed changing it as described and realized it would be too much. AA was just a bug, and a misinformed Mod who isn't here to defend themselves gave the wrong response.
    Cull was released more than 3 months ago. So was Maw. People asked, some begged, them to work on Maw. So they started with them instead of HT and Anny. If you're going to go back to Maw and ignore Cull's issues, that totally defeats the purpose of these tweaks.
    Facts. They matter.
    There it is, that is the second time he has said they can do it because they own it. Just because you can do something doesn't mean its ethically ok to do. with that argument, I wont acknowledge anything else you say. It's absurd obviously meant to take us off topic. No one in their right mind with any product or service runs a business very long with that attitude with their customers.
    If you want to talk ethics, ethically they have a responsibility to the game itself. They have a responsibility to maintain and improve the game, for everyone's benefit. I'm quite sure that's what they're doing. I would consider it unethical to ignore these things for the sake of money.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    cdubby_22 said:

    cdubby_22 said:

    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
    Shulk wasnt a bug until the abilities they gave the champ made end game content easily beatable. thats the problem, they made changes to make her better, gave her abilities based on a heavy attack, and when it hurt their bottom line they changed her again. It wasnt a bug, it doesnt say that hyperion's heavy attack takes twice as long as Civil Warrior, because the abilities dont describe the animations. It also doesnt say that you can hold Quakes heavy forever while you cant with others, do you mean to tell me because its not listed its a bug? Mean while we live with bugs forever. The issue with Cull is they continued to sell and push the champ without even telling us they were looking into an issue. When they started his review at some point they noticed the damage and started comparing him with others on all of the modes of the game. They said that in the statement so I bring it up because that is what were told. Obviously to do that comparison it would take time before they decided he needed to be changed. Because even you have said it takes time to test, so it wasnt over night. The moment they found something that they had to take a closer look we should have been notified on a closed thread so we could risk the buying of crystals and the rank ups. then when they had made the decision to make that announcement that changes were coming anyone that had bought the crystal or ranked up the champ couldnt complain because we knew they were looking into something. Instead the let the creator content program to send out videos after videos and offered that crystal on a weekly basis. I really dont see how you defend them, but we are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
    She was bugged. It was brought to their attention that way, but she wasn't the only Champ fixed.

    So by your definition Quake is bugged, because holding down block forever is not in the description then?
    Not the same at all. Any Champ can hold Block. Until you get hit at least. No Champ is meant to chain Heavies like that unless specified.
  • cdubby_22 said:

    cdubby_22 said:

    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
    Shulk wasnt a bug until the abilities they gave the champ made end game content easily beatable. thats the problem, they made changes to make her better, gave her abilities based on a heavy attack, and when it hurt their bottom line they changed her again. It wasnt a bug, it doesnt say that hyperion's heavy attack takes twice as long as Civil Warrior, because the abilities dont describe the animations. It also doesnt say that you can hold Quakes heavy forever while you cant with others, do you mean to tell me because its not listed its a bug? Mean while we live with bugs forever. The issue with Cull is they continued to sell and push the champ without even telling us they were looking into an issue. When they started his review at some point they noticed the damage and started comparing him with others on all of the modes of the game. They said that in the statement so I bring it up because that is what were told. Obviously to do that comparison it would take time before they decided he needed to be changed. Because even you have said it takes time to test, so it wasnt over night. The moment they found something that they had to take a closer look we should have been notified on a closed thread so we could risk the buying of crystals and the rank ups. then when they had made the decision to make that announcement that changes were coming anyone that had bought the crystal or ranked up the champ couldnt complain because we knew they were looking into something. Instead the let the creator content program to send out videos after videos and offered that crystal on a weekly basis. I really dont see how you defend them, but we are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
    She was bugged. It was brought to their attention that way, but she wasn't the only Champ fixed.

    So by your definition Quake is bugged, because holding down block forever is not in the description then?
    Not the same at all. Any Champ can hold Block. Until you get hit at least. No Champ is meant to chain Heavies like that unless specified.

    Because all champs have the same “speed and cadence” right?? Lol
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 24,034 ★★★★★
    cdubby_22 said:

    cdubby_22 said:

    cdubby_22 said:

    M_virk said:

    The reactions aren't even based on anything that's come to pass yet. All they said was he was doing more than other Champs in one form or another. Then Nerfgate 2019 started. From what I understand, these aren't even major overhauls. Just minor tweaks to adjust some imbalances. People heard Damage, started crying nerf, and some are even jumping ship. All before anything has even been indicated to change.

    I dont understand if you're a kabam employee or new to the game or just love kabam for some reason.
    After all the BS kabam has pulled with champs like AA, SS, She hulk, doctor strange, SW etc. Kabam cannot get the benefit of the doubt.
    They clearly said his damage will be reduced and there was no mention of balancing him by increasing his block proficiency. They just said they will reduce his damage. So as far as kabam goes, that just means that his damage will be nerfed to the point where they think that cull wont be able to clear any future/current content they release easily.

    Everyone that's saying that this is blown out of proportion clearly has no stake in this. They either dont have cull or dont want rank up cull.
    There are people who have spend hundreds and thousands on dollars on that operator and have ranked him up.

    It is fair for them to be worried cause there is a good chance that the money they spent is just gonna be waste.
    It's a shame to see that instead on supporting your fellow summoners, people are defending kabam because kabam has obviously done what's "good" for the community.
    I'm neither an Employee, or new to the game. We all have the same stake in it, if you want to be technical. SS NEVER operated at 100%. Ever. People keep citing it as some great tragedy and it was a text error. Shulk was a bug. Nothing about her even indicated she was meant to do that. People didn't know, fair enough. They allowed people the special case of Ranking her down. 12.0? That was 2 and a half years ago. Good Lord, we can let it go. I'm sure getting tired of explaining that those changes were necessary to save the future of the game. I feel like Asland. "I was there when it was written."
    It IS blown out of proportion. People beg for them to be upfront with us about changes like this and when they do, we chase them to the bell tower. We don't know what's being altered yet. All we have is a 3 month heads up. Out of that, people are stirring up controversy on other platforms, and half the Player Base thinks they can't Rank Champs.
    I'm sorry to say this, but the money we spend doesn't go into an investment. We're leading permission to use their game. They have every right to change it if they feel those changes will make future content easier to design. We're not making a purchase we can take home or investing into Shares in the company.
    Shulk wasnt a bug until the abilities they gave the champ made end game content easily beatable. thats the problem, they made changes to make her better, gave her abilities based on a heavy attack, and when it hurt their bottom line they changed her again. It wasnt a bug, it doesnt say that hyperion's heavy attack takes twice as long as Civil Warrior, because the abilities dont describe the animations. It also doesnt say that you can hold Quakes heavy forever while you cant with others, do you mean to tell me because its not listed its a bug? Mean while we live with bugs forever. The issue with Cull is they continued to sell and push the champ without even telling us they were looking into an issue. When they started his review at some point they noticed the damage and started comparing him with others on all of the modes of the game. They said that in the statement so I bring it up because that is what were told. Obviously to do that comparison it would take time before they decided he needed to be changed. Because even you have said it takes time to test, so it wasnt over night. The moment they found something that they had to take a closer look we should have been notified on a closed thread so we could risk the buying of crystals and the rank ups. then when they had made the decision to make that announcement that changes were coming anyone that had bought the crystal or ranked up the champ couldnt complain because we knew they were looking into something. Instead the let the creator content program to send out videos after videos and offered that crystal on a weekly basis. I really dont see how you defend them, but we are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
    She was bugged. It was brought to their attention that way, but she wasn't the only Champ fixed.

    So by your definition Quake is bugged, because holding down block forever is not in the description then?
    Not the same at all. Any Champ can hold Block. Until you get hit at least. No Champ is meant to chain Heavies like that unless specified.
    Thats completely false, no other champ can continuously hold a heavy, do you play the game?
    No other Champ can continuously hold a Heavy? Hmm....pretty sure they can.
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