So the increased chance of obtaining Blade in his featured Crystal will go down. Boy that sucks! Who wants Taskmaster? This change is a direct response to people wanting Blade, and not going for Sentry and other new champs! Blade is too good! Please don't nerf Blade!!!!
Nope! No change to the Blade Featured Hero Crystal. We made an exception for Blade because we know how many of you were saving Shards for him.
How about Medusa and Memphisto reruns? Are they coming back in reruns or they will be cancelled?
Thanks
Medusa, Morningstar and Mephisto are before Blade, so they will still have their re-run as well.
Should've just kept the increased rate for the 6 featured pool champs (20% chance to get 1 of those 6.) As it stands now, unless there are several champs of the 24 I want, there doesn't seem to be anything to make it worth the extra 5k shards.
if you are ruining the odds of pulling a feature cant you at LEAST have the 18 basic champs out of the basic pool for that 3 months? giving people a chance at pulling somone worth wasting cats on
I don't see how this suggestion helps anyone. That almost sounds like you think they are replacing the featured *pool* with the set of 24 in the featured *crystal* which will still have a basic pool. They are not doing that. They are eliminating the current featured crystal that has a featured pool (with one champion in it), a subfeatured, and a basic pool, and replacing it with the new featured crystal that has a flat equal chance to pull any of the 24 champions in it which will contain six featured champs and eighteen basic champs.
There's no more "basic pool." There is the basic crystal which costs 10k shards and contains every basic champion, and there's the featured crystal which is a different crystal which costs 15k shards and contains 24 champions: six featured and eighteen basic, all with equal chance of being drawn.
Should've just kept the increased rate for the 6 featured pool champs (20% chance to get 1 of those 6.) As it stands now, unless there are several champs of the 24 I want, there doesn't seem to be anything to make it worth the extra 5k shards.
This list of champs is garbage man. There’s only like 4 champs anybody would wanna pull including the features. Not to mention I’m tired of pulling storm and ant man from features. It almost looks like you picked the champs that were ranked down the most tontjrow them in the new feature pull
Will Void have his own feature crystal? Or, will we have to wait until February to have a chance at him?
Yes he will. Any champion released before February 13th will still have the old style Featured Hero Crystal. So that means Void, and the new Champion on February 1st, but neither of them will have a re-run of their Crystal. Any Champion released after February 13th will not have a specific Featured Hero Crystal.
Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.
Instead of waiting 3 months for the last quarter's champs to be added, how about monthly the two new champs get added and the oldest champs (based on release date) get dropped.
I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes.
If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions.
Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success.
You and your team are delusional if you believe those champs would continue to be used when that player got almost anyone else. As to “people use to great success,” is this in 5.4? Or act 4? Or tier 15+?
Define success and at what level...
So the best and quickest way to get the new 5* champ will be from GMFHC. Veterans of the game will remember the days of people spending Odin after Odin FHC. I guess this is a return to that. Mark my words there will be an unprecedented number of Blade level champs released after this. No more Sentry types.
Will Void have his own feature crystal? Or, will we have to wait until February to have a chance at him?
Yes he will. Any champion released before February 13th will still have the old style Featured Hero Crystal. So that means Void, and the new Champion on February 1st, but neither of them will have a re-run of their Crystal. Any Champion released after February 13th will not have a specific Featured Hero Crystal.
Soooo.. who is the new champ on feb 1st? Asking for a friend
Hyperion
Stark Spidey
Starlord
Phoenix
Magik
Ghostrider
Iceman
Archangel
Quake
Voodoo
Gwenpool
Rogue
Hulk
Ultron
Yondu
Angela
X23
These are the champions that I would consider worthy of r4 or r5 as 5*s. I know there's some debate about some on the list, and you could probably add some. Different strokes for different folks, and all that.
But here's the thing: no one wants to r4 any of the basic 5*s that you're putting into the featured. They might be forced to in some situation, but that's it. Forced. There are some in there who are okay, and who you wouldn't want to shoot yourself after pulling (here's looking at you, Iron Patriot).
What I don't get is why you didn't even include ONE of the champs listed above. Don't put all of them in, or even a quarter of them. But why not at least two or three? It doesn't seem logical to me.
I know people are always going to complain about change, and frankly that seems to be what the forums are designed for. I don't mind the change myself. And if you were to list a couple of the ones above, that I don't have already, in the featured crystal, I might think about it. But with all of those in the basic crystal, and none of them in the featured, I can't see you selling many. Hela isn't that good.
This is completely logical. Of those champs listed above, there are some that qualify as quality champs who aren’t top tier, but are still very useful. How hard is it to toss a few in?
Now, if the basic 5* crystal would actually exclude those non-feature champs in the feature 5*, then that might be a decent deal. But it doesn’t.
Right now, this feels like a cheap way to slow progression, extend game life and push players into buying 300 unit crystals if they want a new 5* feature.
For those that are complaining, I believe that this could be a change that is in direct response to what has happened with Blade.
A lot of people are hoarding shards to get multiple chances at Blade, which is likely to flood him into the game prior to when Kabam want him to be, this chance limits that ability.
IMO as someone who cannot do that I think this is a great change.
Will Void have his own feature crystal? Or, will we have to wait until February to have a chance at him?
Yes he will. Any champion released before February 13th will still have the old style Featured Hero Crystal. So that means Void, and the new Champion on February 1st, but neither of them will have a re-run of their Crystal. Any Champion released after February 13th will not have a specific Featured Hero Crystal.
Soooo.. who is the new champ on feb 1st? Asking for a friend
You FORCED DEFENDER DIVERSITY ON US! If I look at my alliance and the opposing alliance 3 chosen champs for aw offense I only see 3 champs from your list that are REALISTICALLY used on offense. For aq I only see 6 more that MAY be used from that list.
Here’s what I see
Aw offense:
AA
Iceman
Rogue
Vision (both)
Star lord
Spider-Man stark enhanced
Gwenpool
Hawkeye
Crossbones
Black widow
Blade
Quake
Cap ww2
Hulk (maybe)
Magik
Scarlet witch
Dr voodoo
Ghost rider (for blade)
Cosmics are a liability with MD
If you see others used it’s likely the player has not pulled one of the above champs (I’m sure I missed a couple) because your drop rates on god tier champs are seemingly lower.
In response to you actual list, we (the vast majority) don’t really want:
Cyclops
Agent venom
Sentry (he’s not balanced)
Ant man (PLEASE NOOOOO!!!)
Thor Jane foster
Loki
Juggernaut
Ronan
Venompool
Punisher 2099
Civil warrior
Instead of looking at the “data,” speak to end game players/alliances on what champs are desired. I know you won’t because you make many decisions without communicating with the player base (not that you have to) but if you want to make more money, make this game and that in the game more desirable and in working order. The better you make this game in the eyes of players the more we will spend because we have some faith in Kabam.
Not sure where you got Agent Venom on the "don't really want" list from. He's got some good utility with 50% evasion reduction (+30% on L1) and 70% chance to shrug off debuffs. He's a bit of a niche champ, but I use my 5/50 AV once in awhile. He was great vs Uncollected Void in this month's event quest to shrug off the degen debuff and took off about 40-50% health off Void. I've used AV on my AW tier 1 attack "B" team when my top team was tied up in map 6 vs a stun immune Spidey mini-boss.
I said majority. Most will not take an AV to rank 4 when you compare him to other skill champs. I get your point though
So it's ok that other people could get their most wanted featured champ and save up for them and now the rest of us are gonna have such a hard time trying for ours. This is really upsetting and demotivating.
Will Void have his own feature crystal? Or, will we have to wait until February to have a chance at him?
Yes he will. Any champion released before February 13th will still have the old style Featured Hero Crystal. So that means Void, and the new Champion on February 1st, but neither of them will have a re-run of their Crystal. Any Champion released after February 13th will not have a specific Featured Hero Crystal.
Kabam Miike I'm begging you release gladiator hulk on february 1st instead of killmonger. We already have enough great skill champions while science is still weak after the release of modok and sentry. Let us have a greater chance at pulling a probably useful science champion...
Will Void have his own feature crystal? Or, will we have to wait until February to have a chance at him?
Yes he will. Any champion released before February 13th will still have the old style Featured Hero Crystal. So that means Void, and the new Champion on February 1st, but neither of them will have a re-run of their Crystal. Any Champion released after February 13th will not have a specific Featured Hero Crystal.
Kabam Miike I'm begging you release gladiator hulk on february 1st instead of killmonger. We already have enough great skill champions while science is still weak after the release of modok and sentry. Let us have a greater chance at pulling a probably useful science champion...
So do we have a 5* arena starting at the same time? If we are following suit with the release of 4*, we are able to get the champion grinding arena the first 3 days as a 4* instead of waiting several be weeks .
I think you should give the new featured champ an increased chance in the new crystal but an equal chance for the other 23 that would make the community feel better about these new crystals and is a better idea overall, or how about you just stay with the old system
Too bad Apple didn't start requiring transparency in communications, maybe the announcement would have looked more something more like...
Due to Apple's new transparency mandate we're changing the feature crystal drop rate (for the champ you were hoping to get) to the worst of our old manipulated drop rates, for everyone, no matter how much you spend.
Let it be known to all app stores that we will respond to any attempt to influence our business to the benefit of their customers in a way that will continue to make our revenue a priority far above all others.
Forget about apple already, you cannot buy 5 star crystals with money. You can buy units and use them for crystals, but I can see the legal loophole.
Nope. Apple mandated transparency, then Kabam changed the system and confirmed feature crystal drop rates for the first time in history. No chance that's a coincidence.
Kabam has said nothing in this thread they haven't said before many times.
They have never given a drop rate. Here for the first time ever we have been provided a drop rate. Unprecedented and not a coincidence.
This is absolutely and unambiguously objectively false. They've always said that the odds of pulling any particular champion from the basic crystal were identical, that the odds of pulling any particular champion from the basic pool from the featured crystal is identical, and that in general the odds of pulling any particular champion of the same type from a crystal is identical. They are saying the exact same thing here: the odds of pulling any particular champion from the new featured crystal is identical. Because the number of champions in the new crystal is fixed at 24, that means the odds are approximately 4.2%. They can't quote a number like that in most other crystals because the number of champions is different at different times, but that number is zero additional information for anyone capable of doing basic elementary school math.
Maybe I'm speaking only for myself but I don't think that many people care about basic crystal drop rates and they are not the topic of this thread. There's never been any need for basic crystals to have rates lower than straight odds. So many champs, so few are better than average.
The odds that were being referred to were the *feature 5* crystal* drop rates in the old system, which Kabam was very clear is something that they would not discuss (I think that last part is pretty much a Kabam mod quote). They force-closed many threads on the discussion and have handed out forum penalties for people guessing about it etc. There is no question that the new system is related to Apple's transparency mandate.
As I previously stated, Kabam repeatedly stated that the odds of pulling any particular basic champion from the basic pool of the featured crystal was identical, and the odds of pulling any particular subfeatured champion from the subfeatured pool was also identical. They are now saying the odds of pulling any champion from the crystal is identical. The difference is that now there are no pools, and therefore no explicit pool table odds. They never before said what the odds of pulling the featured table was relative to the subfeatured table or the basic table, but those are odds they literally cannot specify for the new crystal because it doesn't have more than one table.
And I don't know why you think they've handed out penalties for attempting to guess the pool odds, because I've never been hit with that penalty before and I've been among the most vocal players stating featured crystal estimated odds. I've never been penalized for doing so, nor have any of my posts stating those estimated odds ever been removed.
It is possible that collapsing the tables was influenced by Apple's new disclosure policy, but that doesn't seem likely to me. Kabam knows that we know the odds of pulling featured are approximately 20% and the odds of pulling subfeatured are about 5%-ish, and the odds of pulling basic are the rest (i.e. about 75%).
Also, people keep talking about coincidences. The new featured crystal meshes perfectly with Kabam finally catching up with adding all of the previous 5* champs into basic, making the subfeatured pool almost moot. The current 5* featured crystal would have had to change in some way once we reached that mark, and Kabam even hinted that once everything was "caught up" the system for adding 5* champions would have to be modified at least slightly. So if people don't believe in coincidences and that "proves" the changes must have been influenced by Apple's policy change, then it should also prove that Kabam somehow knew way back when they changed the 5* featured crystal that this policy change from Apple was coming. That change predates Apple's policy change, the controversy sparked by EA, and the Chinese regulation changes. What theory explains how Kabam could arrange the 5* featured crystal in such a way that exactly when they need it to, the champions catch up and force a change to methodology that they can conveniently use as an excuse to comply with Apple? Time travel?
Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.
You really picked the best mystics, I like it ! Would love to see what your data shows about effectiveniss in AW et AQ about those amazing god tier mystic champs
Maybe i missed it but how often does this crystal get "refreshed" ? like how often do the 18 champs get changed?
There will be a New Crystal every 3 Months. This Crystal will feature the 6 newest Champions, and another pool of 18 Champions as the Base Pool.
If you keep cycling the 18 champs, eventually you're going to create a completely STACKED 15K crystal if the next couple are as underwhelming as this one.
Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.
You really picked the best mystics, I like it ! Would love to see what your data shows about effectiveniss in AW et AQ about those amazing god tier mystic champs
Again, we never said that they were the best performing. It is also important to keep in mind that what may be desirable at your level of play may differ from other players as well. A lot of players could use a Champ that hits as hard as Storm with her Special Attacks, or the ability to shrug off debuffs like Agent Venom, or Stun like Jane Foster.
Maybe i missed it but how often does this crystal get "refreshed" ? like how often do the 18 champs get changed?
There will be a New Crystal every 3 Months. This Crystal will feature the 6 newest Champions, and another pool of 18 Champions as the Base Pool.
If you keep cycling the 18 champs, eventually you're going to create a completely STACKED 15K crystal if the next couple are as underwhelming as this one.
Champions will repeat, but will not appear twice in a row.
I didn't say to put all 24 Troll, my argument was where are some of thr better champs!
Please be a bit more respectful. I am a real-life human being.
My point is you have to put more attention to the 6 new champions. So the rest are there to make sure the chances are balanced. So the other 18 champions, shouldn't be more exciting to get than the "featured" ones. In that way, they make sure you keep trying to get the champions.
Now given that only 6 of 24 are new, I can understand the disagreement with the chances.
I think people are overreacting to these news. How many players actually buy the featured crystal anyway?
I'm in a 15 mill alliance, while you're in a 6mil alliance. Of course you don't mind winning antman as a featured. Try fighting a 50k Majik in war with antman or the other trash champions they have.
So when you say:
Kabam likes to mess with the hand that feeds them. I'll remind you, the hand is the players! What is your argument about the other great champs not being brought in? Are they not used in aq/aq??!! There is noooo way the players will go for this ****!
You mean a very specific subset of players, not all players. A subset that includes you, and doesn't include him.
So the new featured crystal is just a new version of the basic crystal that costs 5000 shards more?
What’s the point? The only way that the new featured crystal is better than the old one is if the old featured crystal had odds worse than 1 in 18 which is what the new one is. I’ve got to say I’m disappointed
The original Featured Hero Crystal had one purpose, and that was because it was originally the only chance you had at a 5-Star Champion, and potentially meant that the Champion would never come around again. This has changed, and that means that this Crystal has run its course.
5-Star Champions are coming to a place where they are now added to the regular Champion pool at the same consistency as other rarities.
Riiiiiiiggghhhtttt.....
And it has zero to do with Apple's new rule on disclosing rates in drop boxes...
Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection.
The problem is once you get past a certain point a lot of the champions on that list become useless. For example, against mystic dispersion you’re not going to use a venompool? All a lot of us are asking is that you put in champions that are used a lot at the top end as well as the lower end of the game to make it fair for everyone...
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Medusa, Morningstar and Mephisto are before Blade, so they will still have their re-run as well.
Also, your servers are down again @Kabam Miike .
I don't see how this suggestion helps anyone. That almost sounds like you think they are replacing the featured *pool* with the set of 24 in the featured *crystal* which will still have a basic pool. They are not doing that. They are eliminating the current featured crystal that has a featured pool (with one champion in it), a subfeatured, and a basic pool, and replacing it with the new featured crystal that has a flat equal chance to pull any of the 24 champions in it which will contain six featured champs and eighteen basic champs.
There's no more "basic pool." There is the basic crystal which costs 10k shards and contains every basic champion, and there's the featured crystal which is a different crystal which costs 15k shards and contains 24 champions: six featured and eighteen basic, all with equal chance of being drawn.
Servers are up for me, and seem to have been up continuously for the past hour or so.
Will Void have his own feature crystal? Or, will we have to wait until February to have a chance at him?
Yes he will. Any champion released before February 13th will still have the old style Featured Hero Crystal. So that means Void, and the new Champion on February 1st, but neither of them will have a re-run of their Crystal. Any Champion released after February 13th will not have a specific Featured Hero Crystal.
Please allow me to make a simple suggestion.
Instead of waiting 3 months for the last quarter's champs to be added, how about monthly the two new champs get added and the oldest champs (based on release date) get dropped.
You and your team are delusional if you believe those champs would continue to be used when that player got almost anyone else. As to “people use to great success,” is this in 5.4? Or act 4? Or tier 15+?
Define success and at what level...
Soooo.. who is the new champ on feb 1st? Asking for a friend
This is completely logical. Of those champs listed above, there are some that qualify as quality champs who aren’t top tier, but are still very useful. How hard is it to toss a few in?
Now, if the basic 5* crystal would actually exclude those non-feature champs in the feature 5*, then that might be a decent deal. But it doesn’t.
Right now, this feels like a cheap way to slow progression, extend game life and push players into buying 300 unit crystals if they want a new 5* feature.
Dr. Zola
A lot of people are hoarding shards to get multiple chances at Blade, which is likely to flood him into the game prior to when Kabam want him to be, this chance limits that ability.
IMO as someone who cannot do that I think this is a great change.
It’s Gladiator Hulk
Nice.
I said majority. Most will not take an AV to rank 4 when you compare him to other skill champs. I get your point though
Kabam Miike I'm begging you release gladiator hulk on february 1st instead of killmonger. We already have enough great skill champions while science is still weak after the release of modok and sentry. Let us have a greater chance at pulling a probably useful science champion...
Gladiator Hulk will be before Killmonger
As I previously stated, Kabam repeatedly stated that the odds of pulling any particular basic champion from the basic pool of the featured crystal was identical, and the odds of pulling any particular subfeatured champion from the subfeatured pool was also identical. They are now saying the odds of pulling any champion from the crystal is identical. The difference is that now there are no pools, and therefore no explicit pool table odds. They never before said what the odds of pulling the featured table was relative to the subfeatured table or the basic table, but those are odds they literally cannot specify for the new crystal because it doesn't have more than one table.
And I don't know why you think they've handed out penalties for attempting to guess the pool odds, because I've never been hit with that penalty before and I've been among the most vocal players stating featured crystal estimated odds. I've never been penalized for doing so, nor have any of my posts stating those estimated odds ever been removed.
It is possible that collapsing the tables was influenced by Apple's new disclosure policy, but that doesn't seem likely to me. Kabam knows that we know the odds of pulling featured are approximately 20% and the odds of pulling subfeatured are about 5%-ish, and the odds of pulling basic are the rest (i.e. about 75%).
Also, people keep talking about coincidences. The new featured crystal meshes perfectly with Kabam finally catching up with adding all of the previous 5* champs into basic, making the subfeatured pool almost moot. The current 5* featured crystal would have had to change in some way once we reached that mark, and Kabam even hinted that once everything was "caught up" the system for adding 5* champions would have to be modified at least slightly. So if people don't believe in coincidences and that "proves" the changes must have been influenced by Apple's policy change, then it should also prove that Kabam somehow knew way back when they changed the 5* featured crystal that this policy change from Apple was coming. That change predates Apple's policy change, the controversy sparked by EA, and the Chinese regulation changes. What theory explains how Kabam could arrange the 5* featured crystal in such a way that exactly when they need it to, the champions catch up and force a change to methodology that they can conveniently use as an excuse to comply with Apple? Time travel?
You really picked the best mystics, I like it ! Would love to see what your data shows about effectiveniss in AW et AQ about those amazing god tier mystic champs
If you keep cycling the 18 champs, eventually you're going to create a completely STACKED 15K crystal if the next couple are as underwhelming as this one.
Again, we never said that they were the best performing. It is also important to keep in mind that what may be desirable at your level of play may differ from other players as well. A lot of players could use a Champ that hits as hard as Storm with her Special Attacks, or the ability to shrug off debuffs like Agent Venom, or Stun like Jane Foster.
Champions will repeat, but will not appear twice in a row.
So when you say:
You mean a very specific subset of players, not all players. A subset that includes you, and doesn't include him.
Not really. The rate of the Featured has always been in favor of the Players. Estimated around 20%. Now it's about a 4% chance. There is no logic that supports the connection.