People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.
Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.
I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.
Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.
They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.
The "Kabam is a business" argument is one that permeates any fan forum of any company. We all get it, you're not adding anything to the conversation. The thing is with this, I don't even see this as a business decision. I see this in the same way the 12.0 info came down. These seem like bad ideas for business. They may be motivated by increasing sales but it doesn't mean it was well thought out.
I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes.
If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions.
Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success.
Yep. I bet there are a ton of people using ant man to “great success.”
If you are a person using ant man to “great success,” please, let us know.
What a blast to start 2018 with! I hope after releasing Sentry and then announcing this crystals, you still have some jokes left for april 1st? Coz that will be hard to beat.
I would be interested in knowing from what time-frame their data was pulled. Since game began? Since Diversity was implemented in Wars? Start of AQ season 4? As well as from what tiers of players most of the data originated (I imagine the more numerous lower tiers). As many have said, the higher up in tier you go, the fewer of most of those champions you see, and ones you do see tend to be more for diversity points rather than effectiveness.
I suppose we will see, in April, if their data changes to produce a better quality Feature Crystal. Or if shards start falling out of the sky to the point that throwing 15k at one of these is much less of a big deal than as currently stands.
@Kabam Miike
This may seem like it will drive Grandmaster Crystal sales. But the whales can only provide so much with those. The main points of interest for the whole community were 5 star shard offers or the spending of money for hard quest to get 5 star shards. People won't be going for the shards anymore as the featured crystals aren't worth it anymore.
I see the 5 star featured coming back after short testing.
Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.
One question, how does emperical data indicate AW and AQ effectiveness?
I thought by now Kabam would have realized that emperical data means squat when it comes to AW and AQ, you need players to test out the champs because obviously your data are full of loopholes like Loki-Hela synergy, GP infinite heavy, Kang's infinite stun lock etc.
if we won't be able to get a featured champ with this crystal ? then why it will cost us 15k shards ? basically it's becoming a normal crystal pool means having to wait months and months to pull a luke cage
You will be able to get them. The chance of one specific Feature will be less, but the chance of a Feature in general will be more.
How when miike stated that it a 4% chance an that the feature has the same odds as the basic champs in the crystal
@Kabam Miike
This may seem like it will drive Grandmaster Crystal sales. But the whales can only provide so much with those. The main points of interest for the whole community were 5 star shard offers or the spending of money for hard quest to get 5 star shards. People won't be going for the shards anymore as the featured crystals aren't worth it anymore.
I see the 5 star featured coming back after short testing.
Sadly I think you are incorrect. It is likely that 80% of their income comes from 20% of the player base. That 20% will be buying odin after odin's worth of FGMC. The game used to function this way in the past. The difference is that there is no 5* arena so the only way to get the champ immediately at 5* level is by purchasing FGMC.
The interesting question is how Kabam is going work around the Apple requirements as to disclosing drop rates on FGMC.
I said this before, and I'll say it again because it seemed almost everyone agreed with this.
My suggestion:
Keep the core concepts but keep the odds of our current featured crystal.
- 2 Featured Champs, 6 Basic - total of 8 Champs in Crystal
- Rotated every month instead of 3 months
- Can make the basic champs total meme champs (KK, IP, SG, etc)
Hit "Agree" if you Agree, hit "Insightful" if you don't.
Please comment regardless so Kabam hears the community!
I don't understand why for 5000 MORE shards you get a chance at all of these bad champions. Whereas the 10k has much more better choices. At least improve the pool guys.
I recently had to take unduped Hulk to Rank4 because I had expiring T2 Alpha. So that being said, i've seen the drop rates and what 'luck' means. I would like to see the 5* arena released, so I can make my own 'luck' !
This list worries me to great extremes if you have data to support that they are "effective". I've never seen anyone use ant-man on offense. Never seen anyone use a cyclops either. Venom Pool? This data must be based only by effectiveness, not what the majority of people are using. Just because one skilled player uses Cyclops really well, doesn't mean he's effective. That's like saying one papaya is the same as a banana. They both provide a lot of potassium, but no one eats Papaya because they suck!
New players who don't have dexterity unlocked probably still get smoked by cyclops in AW. That is most likely their basis for the "highly effective" data.
How did Kabam come up with that list of champions that seem mediocre overall? Who is using Void or Sentry in AW or AQ -- they've been available for less than two weeks and have an established track record with empirical data? I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. I see a lot of Magik, Crossbones, Voodoo, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Winter Soldier, Iceman, Archangel, Starlord used in AQ and AW. This list seems like the result of some undisclosed back-room proprietary or licensing agreements. Or is it perhaps pure marketing, with just enough to keep people interested until the next time?
Seatins new video sees pretty legit. What do you think of seatins new video about this annoucement @Kabam Miike ? It seems pretty accurate.
Agree. that's pretty damn accurate.
Why do you not listen and not learn. And your "metrics" are ludicrous. People are using your highly "effective" champs out of necessity because that's all they've been able to pull and that's all they've been able to afford to go after. All your doing is compounding the problem.
That's like saying "well clearly the potato famine proved that the Irish sure do like potatoes."
How did Kabam come up with that list of champions that seem mediocre overall? Who is using Void or Sentry in AW or AQ -- they've been available for less than two weeks and have an established track record with empirical data? I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. I see a lot of Voodoo, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Winter Soldier, Iceman, Archangel, Starlord used in AQ and AW. This list seems like the result of some undisclosed back-room proprietary or licensing agreements. Or is it perhaps pure marketing, with just enough to keep people interested until the next time?
Not defending Kabam here but did you read the post? Sentry and Void are in it because they are part of the 6 FEATURED champs since they are new...
Based on the speed at which 5* shards come in, I will never spend 15k 5* shards on the new crystal. Perhaps if they changed the prices on both the Basic 5* and this new one, I'd consider it. Like if the new one was 10K, and they reduced the cost of the Basic to 7500 shards or something, but 15k for that? No thanks.
How did Kabam come up with that list of champions that seem mediocre overall? Who is using Void or Sentry in AW or AQ -- they've been available for less than two weeks and have an established track record with empirical data? I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. I see a lot of Voodoo, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Winter Soldier, Iceman, Archangel, Starlord used in AQ and AW. This list seems like the result of some undisclosed back-room proprietary or licensing agreements. Or is it perhaps pure marketing, with just enough to keep people interested until the next time?
Not defending Kabam here but did you read the post? Sentry and Void are in it because they are part of the 6 FEATURED champs since they are new...
How did Kabam come up with that list of champions that seem mediocre overall? I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. I see a lot of Voodoo, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Winter Soldier, Iceman, Archangel, Starlord used in AQ and AW. This list seems like the result of some undisclosed back-room proprietary or licensing agreements. Or is it perhaps pure marketing, with just enough to keep people interested until the next time?
I've seen some good points magically disappear in the last few hours from this thread. That's too bad.
I was hoping that after 600 plus responses (97% against this travesty) in less than 24 hours, there would be some sort of response. Instead, they are "cleaning up" the thread by removing some valid points in places.
I will assume that this post also may be "cleaned up", so for the few of you who get to read it, good luck.
You know what I wish you'd do, Kabam? Keep the featured as is and introduce this new crystal at 12500 shards. That would actually be a real neat option. If you didn't like the featured and didn't want to chance the basic pool the extra 2500 shards would be worth the gamble.
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The "Kabam is a business" argument is one that permeates any fan forum of any company. We all get it, you're not adding anything to the conversation. The thing is with this, I don't even see this as a business decision. I see this in the same way the 12.0 info came down. These seem like bad ideas for business. They may be motivated by increasing sales but it doesn't mean it was well thought out.
Yep. I bet there are a ton of people using ant man to “great success.”
If you are a person using ant man to “great success,” please, let us know.
I suppose we will see, in April, if their data changes to produce a better quality Feature Crystal. Or if shards start falling out of the sky to the point that throwing 15k at one of these is much less of a big deal than as currently stands.
This may seem like it will drive Grandmaster Crystal sales. But the whales can only provide so much with those. The main points of interest for the whole community were 5 star shard offers or the spending of money for hard quest to get 5 star shards. People won't be going for the shards anymore as the featured crystals aren't worth it anymore.
I see the 5 star featured coming back after short testing.
A 5 star special featured Campition crystal might help soothe the community.
One question, how does emperical data indicate AW and AQ effectiveness?
I thought by now Kabam would have realized that emperical data means squat when it comes to AW and AQ, you need players to test out the champs because obviously your data are full of loopholes like Loki-Hela synergy, GP infinite heavy, Kang's infinite stun lock etc.
How when miike stated that it a 4% chance an that the feature has the same odds as the basic champs in the crystal
Sadly I think you are incorrect. It is likely that 80% of their income comes from 20% of the player base. That 20% will be buying odin after odin's worth of FGMC. The game used to function this way in the past. The difference is that there is no 5* arena so the only way to get the champ immediately at 5* level is by purchasing FGMC.
The interesting question is how Kabam is going work around the Apple requirements as to disclosing drop rates on FGMC.
My suggestion:
Keep the core concepts but keep the odds of our current featured crystal.
- 2 Featured Champs, 6 Basic - total of 8 Champs in Crystal
- Rotated every month instead of 3 months
- Can make the basic champs total meme champs (KK, IP, SG, etc)
Hit "Agree" if you Agree, hit "Insightful" if you don't.
Please comment regardless so Kabam hears the community!
Some people dont have the uncollected title and don't get 5 stars and this will make things a lot more harder
And I’d like to add that although it’s not one of the most used avatars, it’s one of the most effective.
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus
This list worries me to great extremes if you have data to support that they are "effective". I've never seen anyone use ant-man on offense. Never seen anyone use a cyclops either. Venom Pool? This data must be based only by effectiveness, not what the majority of people are using. Just because one skilled player uses Cyclops really well, doesn't mean he's effective. That's like saying one papaya is the same as a banana. They both provide a lot of potassium, but no one eats Papaya because they suck!
Because its bad business for him...he makes money on people watching 5s Featured pulls and other similar type videos.
Agree. that's pretty damn accurate.
Why do you not listen and not learn. And your "metrics" are ludicrous. People are using your highly "effective" champs out of necessity because that's all they've been able to pull and that's all they've been able to afford to go after. All your doing is compounding the problem.
That's like saying "well clearly the potato famine proved that the Irish sure do like potatoes."
Not defending Kabam here but did you read the post? Sentry and Void are in it because they are part of the 6 FEATURED champs since they are new...
So remove those and my point still stands.
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I was hoping that after 600 plus responses (97% against this travesty) in less than 24 hours, there would be some sort of response. Instead, they are "cleaning up" the thread by removing some valid points in places.
I will assume that this post also may be "cleaned up", so for the few of you who get to read it, good luck.