Who is the best two-way champion in the game?

DoctorofEvil

Meaning offense and defense.

Comments

danielmath

There are 2 choices, Magik vs Iceman.

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

Somehow read over Magik and Iceman but saw Ultron. Oh well

R4GE

Tough one between Hyperion and Magik.

Before thorns was removed I'd have had Iceman mixed in with them 2

Mr_Otter

R4GE wrote: »

Tough one between Hyperion and Magik.

Before thorns was removed I'd have had Iceman mixed in with them 2

He's good sans thorns too

Yellsome

But what about stark spidey/

TheMageHunter

Yellsome wrote: »

But what about stark spidey/

Spark is easy to beat in defence with cosmics

_LivingDeadGirl

Hyperion. His specials ignore bp and defense, cosmic charges make him a cracked out hulk. He has Regen for attacking and unlike magik his s3 actually hurts no matter what.

Iceman is maybe a better defender. Not a better attacker. Not even close. Ultron's basically pillow fists without DW with easy to avoid specials.

Magik is the only other one that can do both almost as well, but needs md and her sig ability to do it.

danielmath

_LivingDeadGirl wrote: »

Hyperion. His specials ignore bp and defense, cosmic charges make him a cracked out hulk. He has Regen for attacking and unlike magik his s3 actually hurts no matter what.

Iceman is maybe a better defender. Not a better attacker. Not even close. Ultron's basically pillow fists without DW with easy to avoid specials.

Magik is the only other one that can do both almost as well, but needs md and her sig ability to do it.

Iceman is a WAY better attacker then hyperion. He's immune to everything, prevents evading, and doesn't trigger mystic dispersion. I don't think there's a single defender where i'd use my hyperion over my iceman to attack with.

Yellsome

TheMageHunter wrote: »

Yellsome wrote: »

But what about stark spidey/

Spark is easy to beat in defence with cosmics

oh.thnx

Sky_kitty

I have spider starky and he is much better attacker than defender. Have iceman and magik too nd they are great for both.but i will have to go with magik

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Sky_kitty

And with ice armor hyperion's l3 can't even touch iceman.so he is awesome for map6

winterthur

Maybe it's better to remove Magik from the poll.

Cedriccc

Is magik really better than iceman? I thought iceman is better on offence and Defence

TheMageHunter

Cedriccc wrote: »

Is magik really better than iceman? I thought iceman is better on offence and Defence

Magik is better if you are taking unavoidable damage in offence
While her MD and limbo keeps her immortal in defence

R4GE

danielmath wrote: »

_LivingDeadGirl wrote: »

Hyperion. His specials ignore bp and defense, cosmic charges make him a cracked out hulk. He has Regen for attacking and unlike magik his s3 actually hurts no matter what.

Iceman is maybe a better defender. Not a better attacker. Not even close. Ultron's basically pillow fists without DW with easy to avoid specials.

Magik is the only other one that can do both almost as well, but needs md and her sig ability to do it.

Iceman is a WAY better attacker then hyperion. He's immune to everything, prevents evading, and doesn't trigger mystic dispersion. I don't think there's a single defender where i'd use my hyperion over my iceman to attack with.

Not arguing your opinion, but think you decided to hand select a few examples to make your choice. Iceman is definitely better for fighting evade champs and has more immunities than Hyperion, who only has poison immune. But Hyperion's amazing power gain also makes him a worthy evade fighter. Parry, use L2 or play safe and use L3 often. He also has a very nice regeneration. He can finish a fight in less than 1/2 the hits it takes Iceman. So he pretty much plows through all the new quests, even use him for 5.3 with class disadvantage since he is still a power house.

Both good for AQ, both good for AW attack and defense, both completely different and situational. Hard to say who is actually better than the other. Liking one more can easily make one your favorite, but not better.

Deadbyrd9

Magik, I use my 4/55 for attack in aw and map 6 in aq. She's not duped so she's not a good defender