Mr. Fantastic's Debuff doesn't Re-apply/Stack due to Pacify/Assassin Mastery

kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
edited January 2022 in Bugs and Known Issues
Legit question, why does this bug exist? His application of debuffs is tied to his OFFENSIVE ability accuracy not the enemy's DEFENSIVE ability accuracy in which Pacify and Assassin mastery reduces, so why do some of his debuffs don't re-apply/stack? This bug has existed long enough but was never addressed in updates.
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  • Colonaut123Colonaut123 Posts: 3,091 ★★★★★
    There is no such thing as "offensive" and "defensive" ability accuracy. What makes something offensive and defensive is the champion to which it is applied on and during which action.

    For instant, Falcon's Locked On reduces DAA by 100%. What this means is that while this passive is on the opponent, every time Falcon makes contact with the opponent the ability accuracy is reduced by 100%. If you fight Vision Aarkus, you can prevent armor breaks and coldsnap from applying, as long this debuff is inflicted while Falcon strikes Vision Aarkus.

    For Pacify this means: while your opponent is inflicted with a stun debuff, its ability accuracy is reduced by 10%-30%. This includes the workings of any node that isn't specifically immune to AAR.

    For instant, flux dispersal grants the opponent dispersal charges while struck. This can be prevented by AAR. But likewise, if you parry and do a heavy, Pacify can prevent the removal of dispersal charges. It is a double-edged sword.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    I'm confused. Why would Mr fantastics debuffs not be reapplied because the enemies ability is reduced? You're the one applying the debuffs and you're the one refreshing them
  • Kabam ZibiitKabam Zibiit Posts: 6,938
    Do you happen to have any footage of this? Or would you be able to give us the information requested in the Forum Bug Report Template? Getting this information (even the info someone thinks might not be relevant) is important, as these details can help us replicate and look into the issue.
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★


    It's clearly visible that the prefight debuffs didn't apply more than once
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    This is how it is supposed to work. The debuffs are refreshed. Not replaced or added on top
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    @SpideyFunko lol
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 20,416 ★★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    This is how it is supposed to work. The debuffs are refreshed. Not replaced or added on top

    no, that’s not how it’s supposed to work. The special 2 adds an additional copy of each pre fight debuff
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    SpideyFunko said:

    AverageDesi said:

    This is how it is supposed to work. The debuffs are refreshed. Not replaced or added on top

    no, that’s not how it’s supposed to work. The special 2 adds an additional copy of each pre fight debuff
    Hah. I thought op was referring to the knockdown reapply.

    It stacked the second time for two debuffs though why
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    SpideyFunko said:

    AverageDesi said:

    This is how it is supposed to work. The debuffs are refreshed. Not replaced or added on top

    no, that’s not how it’s supposed to work. The special 2 adds an additional copy of each pre fight debuff
    Hah. I thought op was referring to the knockdown reapply.

    It stacked the second time for two debuffs though why
    It should be all three
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Hope they fix this though. It's pretty annoying if the debuffs don't stack.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    Colonaut123 said:

    There is no such thing as "offensive" and "defensive" ability accuracy. What makes something offensive and defensive is the champion to which it is applied on and during which action.

    For instant, Falcon's Locked On reduces DAA by 100%. What this means is that while this passive is on the opponent, every time Falcon makes contact with the opponent the ability accuracy is reduced by 100%. If you fight Vision Aarkus, you can prevent armor breaks and coldsnap from applying, as long this debuff is inflicted while Falcon strikes Vision Aarkus.

    For Pacify this means: while your opponent is inflicted with a stun debuff, its ability accuracy is reduced by 10%-30%. This includes the workings of any node that isn't specifically immune to AAR.

    For instant, flux dispersal grants the opponent dispersal charges while struck. This can be prevented by AAR. But likewise, if you parry and do a heavy, Pacify can prevent the removal of dispersal charges. It is a double-edged sword.

    >there is no offensive/defensive ability accuracy

    >proceeds to explain what defensive and offensive ability accuracy are
    It makes perfect sense though. No ability is strictly classified as offensive or defensive.
  • Raichu626Raichu626 Posts: 934 ★★★★
    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    Colonaut123 said:

    There is no such thing as "offensive" and "defensive" ability accuracy. What makes something offensive and defensive is the champion to which it is applied on and during which action.

    For instant, Falcon's Locked On reduces DAA by 100%. What this means is that while this passive is on the opponent, every time Falcon makes contact with the opponent the ability accuracy is reduced by 100%. If you fight Vision Aarkus, you can prevent armor breaks and coldsnap from applying, as long this debuff is inflicted while Falcon strikes Vision Aarkus.

    For Pacify this means: while your opponent is inflicted with a stun debuff, its ability accuracy is reduced by 10%-30%. This includes the workings of any node that isn't specifically immune to AAR.

    For instant, flux dispersal grants the opponent dispersal charges while struck. This can be prevented by AAR. But likewise, if you parry and do a heavy, Pacify can prevent the removal of dispersal charges. It is a double-edged sword.

    >there is no offensive/defensive ability accuracy

    >proceeds to explain why defensive and offensive ability accuracy don't exist and are really just ability accuracy
    There, fixed it
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    qartweli said:

    There are offensive defensive and inbetween abilities


    Inbetween ability is for example glance and it can be reduced only if the reductive ability says it reduces ability in general..example archangel

    It doesnt get reduced by electra bw etc who affect defensive abilities only


    Offensive abilities trigger when champiom does something and that activates something on opponent


    Defensive abilities are like when they trigger once champions is being attacked


    Also there are abilities which can be triggered offensively or defensively like magiks limbo

    No. Glance just takes priority. Glancing AAR prevents elktras AAR from taking effect
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Posts: 573 ★★★
    Bug was reported in a different thread too (by me, couple others).
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    qartweli said:

    There are offensive defensive and inbetween abilities


    Inbetween ability is for example glance and it can be reduced only if the reductive ability says it reduces ability in general..example archangel

    It doesnt get reduced by electra bw etc who affect defensive abilities only


    Offensive abilities trigger when champiom does something and that activates something on opponent


    Defensive abilities are like when they trigger once champions is being attacked


    Also there are abilities which can be triggered offensively or defensively like magiks limbo

    But there is no glance in dr. Doom's kit.
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    ReignkingTW said:

    Bug was reported in a different thread too (by me, couple others).

    Lol yet kabam still asked me for proof like they're not acknowledging the issue 😂
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★

    That's the description of his sp2. Yet it doesn't follow in game.
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 2,978 ★★★★★
    Raichu626 said:

    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    Colonaut123 said:

    There is no such thing as "offensive" and "defensive" ability accuracy. What makes something offensive and defensive is the champion to which it is applied on and during which action.

    For instant, Falcon's Locked On reduces DAA by 100%. What this means is that while this passive is on the opponent, every time Falcon makes contact with the opponent the ability accuracy is reduced by 100%. If you fight Vision Aarkus, you can prevent armor breaks and coldsnap from applying, as long this debuff is inflicted while Falcon strikes Vision Aarkus.

    For Pacify this means: while your opponent is inflicted with a stun debuff, its ability accuracy is reduced by 10%-30%. This includes the workings of any node that isn't specifically immune to AAR.

    For instant, flux dispersal grants the opponent dispersal charges while struck. This can be prevented by AAR. But likewise, if you parry and do a heavy, Pacify can prevent the removal of dispersal charges. It is a double-edged sword.

    >there is no offensive/defensive ability accuracy

    >proceeds to explain why defensive and offensive ability accuracy don't exist and are really just ability accuracy
    There, fixed it
    Nah it was fine the first time.
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Any confirmation from the game team when this will be fixed?
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Hello again, it's been five days since I've last posted anything on this thread and we haven't received any confirmation if this will be fixed at all?
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Hi Kabam, is there any confirmation that this will be looked into to be fixed?
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Hi writing this again to get a confirmation or response from anyone at Kabam to take a look at this.
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Posts: 573 ★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    Colonaut123 said:

    There is no such thing as "offensive" and "defensive" ability accuracy. What makes something offensive and defensive is the champion to which it is applied on and during which action.

    For instant, Falcon's Locked On reduces DAA by 100%. What this means is that while this passive is on the opponent, every time Falcon makes contact with the opponent the ability accuracy is reduced by 100%. If you fight Vision Aarkus, you can prevent armor breaks and coldsnap from applying, as long this debuff is inflicted while Falcon strikes Vision Aarkus.

    For Pacify this means: while your opponent is inflicted with a stun debuff, its ability accuracy is reduced by 10%-30%. This includes the workings of any node that isn't specifically immune to AAR.

    For instant, flux dispersal grants the opponent dispersal charges while struck. This can be prevented by AAR. But likewise, if you parry and do a heavy, Pacify can prevent the removal of dispersal charges. It is a double-edged sword.

    >there is no offensive/defensive ability accuracy

    >proceeds to explain what defensive and offensive ability accuracy are
    It makes perfect sense though. No ability is strictly classified as offensive or defensive.
    You sure about that?

    Electra description say lowers defence ability. Hence why if you bleed with her vs say black panther the ai can't parry but if they hit you they can place a bleed.

    Aol aegon node says lowers offensive ability so you can parry him but can't apply say cable heavy degen.

    Where as aa neurotoxin drops just ability accuracy so stops both offensive and defensive.

    Unfortunately pacifiy is also ability so it can stop both as well.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 3,366 ★★★★★
    ccrider474 said:

    AverageDesi said:

    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    Colonaut123 said:

    There is no such thing as "offensive" and "defensive" ability accuracy. What makes something offensive and defensive is the champion to which it is applied on and during which action.

    For instant, Falcon's Locked On reduces DAA by 100%. What this means is that while this passive is on the opponent, every time Falcon makes contact with the opponent the ability accuracy is reduced by 100%. If you fight Vision Aarkus, you can prevent armor breaks and coldsnap from applying, as long this debuff is inflicted while Falcon strikes Vision Aarkus.

    For Pacify this means: while your opponent is inflicted with a stun debuff, its ability accuracy is reduced by 10%-30%. This includes the workings of any node that isn't specifically immune to AAR.

    For instant, flux dispersal grants the opponent dispersal charges while struck. This can be prevented by AAR. But likewise, if you parry and do a heavy, Pacify can prevent the removal of dispersal charges. It is a double-edged sword.

    >there is no offensive/defensive ability accuracy

    >proceeds to explain what defensive and offensive ability accuracy are
    It makes perfect sense though. No ability is strictly classified as offensive or defensive.
    You sure about that?

    Electra description say lowers defence ability. Hence why if you bleed with her vs say black panther the ai can't parry but if they hit you they can place a bleed.

    Aol aegon node says lowers offensive ability so you can parry him but can't apply say cable heavy degen.

    Where as aa neurotoxin drops just ability accuracy so stops both offensive and defensive.

    Unfortunately pacifiy is also ability so it can stop both as well.
    Yes
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Posts: 573 ★★★
    Still happening. Vs Mr. sinister I'm cav eq 1.2 today. The text shows up but the debuffs do not.
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Posts: 573 ★★★
    Will record if I can; don't believe it's the nodes.
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Yes lol it is. But still no response from Kabam that they will be looking in to this for months now. :'(
  • kenadroidkenadroid Posts: 421 ★★★
    Kabam Zibiit said:

    Do you happen to have any footage of this? Or would you be able to give us the information requested in the Forum Bug Report Template? Getting this information (even the info someone thinks might not be relevant) is important, as these details can help us replicate and look into the issue.

    Hi @Kabam Zibiit will this issue be looked into? I even have a video about it. Thanks.
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