Champion Armor/Resist in LoL

Why two similar hits, that must deal same damage deal different? what else we don't know about LoL that been hide from players?
Like in this thread:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/158/labyrinth-of-legends-enrage-timer-where-is-the-truth-renew#latest

here the same attack, but one hit didn't get crit. looks like not 20% of armor is ignoring by critical hits.

this happens not only with Hela, this affects LoL champions.

Comments

Deadbyrd9

Are those the same attacks. The second one looks like a different animation

gohard123

^ second one is different

Deadbyrd9

Different attacks do different amounts of damage. A heavy and a medium attack won’t do the same damage

Primmer79

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Deadbyrd9

I think he’s trying to ask why apples and oranges are different. Different amounts of fury and different attacks in each photo

MegaSkater67

You’re facing red hulk which will be causing the biggest difference. He gains physical resistance for every heat charge he has, so more heat charges means less damage. It won’t happen with all LOL champs. It will happen with those that have abilities enabling them to reduce damage. Red hulk is one of them.

Deadbyrd9

Crits bypass resistance maybe not 100% but it is two different attacks anyway

Crushtest

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Different attacks do different amounts of damage. A heavy and a medium attack won’t do the same damage

in any other cases these Hela attacks deal the same damage.

Crushtest

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Crits bypass resistance maybe not 100% but it is two different attacks anyway

officially - 20% armor ignored by crits

Crushtest

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

You’re facing red hulk which will be causing the biggest difference. He gains physical resistance for every heat charge he has, so more heat charges means less damage. It won’t happen with all LOL champs. It will happen with those that have abilities enabling them to reduce damage. Red hulk is one of them.

amount of heat charges haven't been changed between these two hits.

guys, i'm talking about difference between TWO HITS on EACH PICTURE, not comparsion between two pictures!!!!

Deadbyrd9

Well if 20% of armor is ignored then when rhulk has more charges you will do less damage because he has more resistance

Deadbyrd9

You have to compare everything in the two pictures that factor in the damage. One picture has more furies while one has more heat charges than give rhulk resistance. The two shouldn’t deal the same damage because other factors that go into the damage calculation changed

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Breakout

15 vs 18 stacks on hela....

Crushtest

Breakout wrote: »

15 vs 18 stacks on hela....

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

You have to compare everything in the two pictures that factor in the damage. One picture has more furies while one has more heat charges than give rhulk resistance. The two shouldn’t deal the same damage because other factors that go into the damage calculation changed

TWO HITS ON EACH PICTURE!!! not comparsion of two pictures!!!!!!!!

Mcord117 wrote: »

I think what he is saying is each picture has two hits per and why was the damage different within each picture

thank you, at least one person who can understand :-)

Crushtest

i know that second picture have crit and non-crit damage. but difference is way too big - that's what I wrote before 2d picture.

Deadbyrd9

Oh, that’s just rhulks physical resistance

weavile

the first one is heavy attack right? When two champ have the same attack and not taking any modifer to consideration both heavy will do the same damage despite one is only 1 hit (Strange) and one is bunch of hit (black widow). That why on multiple hit heavy, the damage won't be evenly distributed to each hit and result in what you see.

Crushtest

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Oh, that’s just rhulks physical resistance

i know about champions abilities, believe me :-)
how his resistance changes between two fast hits? why on 1st pic two different damage?

DNA3000

Crushtest wrote: »

MegaSkater67 wrote: »

You’re facing red hulk which will be causing the biggest difference. He gains physical resistance for every heat charge he has, so more heat charges means less damage. It won’t happen with all LOL champs. It will happen with those that have abilities enabling them to reduce damage. Red hulk is one of them.

amount of heat charges haven't been changed between these two hits.

guys, i'm talking about difference between TWO HITS on EACH PICTURE, not comparsion between two pictures!!!!

But the amount of Hela fury might make a difference. I looked up the original video and specifically looked at the situation in your first pic to analyze what's going on. If you watch carefully the two damage ticks occur in this order: 17121 and 16115. Coincidentally, at that exact moment one of Hela's fury charges expires almost perfectly between those two damage ticks, from 16 to 15. That might explain the difference between those two damage ticks.

As to how much armor the critical hits are ignoring in those images, without knowing more details it is impossible to calculate. Ignoring 20% armor does NOT mean your damage will be 20% higher. It could literally be any amount, because when this was last discussed it appeared that critical hits literally ignored the first twenty percentage points of armor.

To exaggerate the point for discussion purposes, imagine something with 90% armor. That means you only deal 10% of your damage to the target. So if you use an attack that intrinsically deals 1000 points of damage, only 100 will land on this target. But if that attack was a critical hit, it would act like the target had 70% armor which means 300 damage would land. But on top of that critical hits land for more damage. If your critical rating was such that critical hits landed for 250% damage, that would mean your 1000 point attack would actually deal 2500 damage, and then 30% of that or 750 would land.

You can't normally see these internal calculations, so all you would see is an attack that sometimes landed for 100 damage and sometimes land for 750 damage. That doesn't intuitively sound like "ignores 20% armor" but in this contrived situation, that's exactly what it did. And we aren't yet factoring in resistances, blocking, attacker damage buffs, and everything else that can affect these numbers. Without knowing precisely which mechanics are in play at precisely which values, you can't easily know if what you're seeing is anything other than what it is supposed to be.