'The Banquet' details

What time will be announced gifting event details?

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DNA3000

So what's the cap on the ammount of crystals that can be purchased?

Because this just looks like the same dumpster fire that the gifting event always was, completely going against what was stated here about scams, frauds and exploits:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312825/update-to-holiday-event-2022-no-more-gifting

Its completely different in a fundamental way. The *gifting* part is mostly gone. And that changes everything.

According to the announcement, for the most part players will be buying crystals for themselves. To the extent that they will be able to gift, the gifts will have extremely limited value.

Why does it matter if you buy them yourself or are allowed to gift them to someone else? Because it is the gifting mechanism itself that amplifies the possibility of fraud by allowing fraudulent transactions to launder themselves.

To put it simply, if I use a fraudulent transaction of some kind to buy units, that transaction will be traced back to my account. But if I use a fraudulent transaction to buy units on another account and then gift the resources to my account, the fraud is traced to that other account, not mine. And while the gift exchange might be traced ultimately to my account, I can claim ignorance. I had no idea what that person was doing when we exchanged gifts. How was I supposed to know they were not buying legitimately?

Gifting essentially anonymizes fraudulent transactions. By essentially forcing everyone to buy their own crystals, Kabam can hold them singularly accountable for any fraud associated with those purchases. The likely relatively small amount of value associated with the materials that will be giftable - potions and such - will likely be too small to be profitable to exploit. Or at least dramatically lower the incentive to use the event for fraudulent transactions.

Selling Banquet crystals to players directly is no more exploitable than selling Odins to players directly. It was allowing accounts to gift that created the problem, because it created a disconnect between the account purchasing and the account ultimately receiving the value. To put it bluntly, the gifting mechanism allowed for literal money laundering. Removing that mechanism removes the critical component of the gifting event that made it uniquely vulnerable to scams and frauds.

Shadow_Shooter

Yet another disappointing event from Kabam. Make people shed money during cyber weekend then follow it with another cash grab and call it “holiday event”. It’s more like “gimme-your-money event”.

I’m sure Kabam’s been very thankful, so they will make sure this event be a “fun” one (oh the irony…)

GroundedWisdom

So what's the cap on the ammount of crystals that can be purchased?

Because this just looks like the same dumpster fire that the gifting event always was, completely going against what was stated here about scams, frauds and exploits:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312825/update-to-holiday-event-2022-no-more-gifting
Its completely different in a fundamental way. The *gifting* part is mostly gone. And that changes everything.

According to the announcement, for the most part players will be buying crystals for themselves. To the extent that they will be able to gift, the gifts will have extremely limited value.

Why does it matter if you buy them yourself or are allowed to gift them to someone else? Because it is the gifting mechanism itself that amplifies the possibility of fraud by allowing fraudulent transactions to launder themselves.

To put it simply, if I use a fraudulent transaction of some kind to buy units, that transaction will be traced back to my account. But if I use a fraudulent transaction to buy units on another account and then gift the resources to my account, the fraud is traced to that other account, not mine. And while the gift exchange might be traced ultimately to my account, I can claim ignorance. I had no idea what that person was doing when we exchanged gifts. How was I supposed to know they were not buying legitimately?

Gifting essentially anonymizes fraudulent transactions. By essentially forcing everyone to buy their own crystals, Kabam can hold them singularly accountable for any fraud associated with those purchases. The likely relatively small amount of value associated with the materials that will be giftable - potions and such - will likely be too small to be profitable to exploit. Or at least dramatically lower the incentive to use the event for fraudulent transactions.

Selling Banquet crystals to players directly is no more exploitable than selling Odins to players directly. It was allowing accounts to gift that created the problem, because it created a disconnect between the account purchasing and the account ultimately receiving the value. To put it bluntly, the gifting mechanism allowed for literal money laundering. Removing that mechanism removes the critical component of the gifting event that made it uniquely vulnerable to scams and frauds.

This. They would only be doing the process a favor by fraudulent purchases. People will always be able to make purchases. That might seem unfair to people playing for free, but such is life when some have the means and some don't.
(More of an add-on than a comment to you, DNA.)

TyEdge

How bout y’all at least tell us what “some consumables” are? Could we get a preview there?

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Burrito2525

So what's the cap on the ammount of crystals that can be purchased?

Because this just looks like the same dumpster fire that the gifting event always was, completely going against what was stated here about scams, frauds and exploits:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312825/update-to-holiday-event-2022-no-more-gifting
It's a mobile video game, let people blow an unbelievable amount of money so you don't have to watch a "Evony" ad every minute. It doesn't affect you bro
So cheaters are fine as long as they give money. Is that what you're saying? Stop being ridiculous

This isn’t cheating. It’s just people spending money and keeping this game alive and ad free. Do you have a problem with people spending 1ks on Odins to open cav? Same concept. They are spending on themselves and that’s fine. Some people will “keep up with the jones(whales)’. Everyone else can go about their business and enjoy the game.

LeNoirFaineant

Yet another disappointing event from Kabam. Make people shed money during cyber weekend then follow it with another cash grab and call it “holiday event”. It’s more like “gimme-your-money event”.

I’m sure Kabam’s been very thankful, so they will make sure this event be a “fun” one (oh the irony…)

How is it any different than the way it has been for years with the gifting event following cyber weekend?

LeNoirFaineant

I'm guessing we will see the first r5 6*s in the whale accounts after this event.

Demonzfyre

So what's the cap on the ammount of crystals that can be purchased?

Because this just looks like the same dumpster fire that the gifting event always was, completely going against what was stated here about scams, frauds and exploits:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312825/update-to-holiday-event-2022-no-more-gifting
It's a mobile video game, let people blow an unbelievable amount of money so you don't have to watch a "Evony" ad every minute. It doesn't affect you bro
So cheaters are fine as long as they give money. Is that what you're saying? Stop being ridiculous

You can't gift crystals. How is someone going to cheat if you have to buy units or with real money? Why do you care anyway? Aren't you F2P and anti-anything involving real world money?

Demonzfyre

So the "consumables" that we don't exactly have have a list of yet will infact contribute points to the banquet event itself??!

Is it not obvious what they mean? Health pots, revives, energy refills etc..

Ceder

Can we get confirmation that Thanos and Kang will be available in the new crystals?

TyEdge

So the "consumables" that we don't exactly have have a list of yet will infact contribute points to the banquet event itself??!
Is it not obvious what they mean? Health pots, revives, energy refills etc..

1) you literally put “etc” on there, which implies there’s more. Are mastery cores consumables? Alliance items? Boosts? Energy for AQ and war? Catalysts? Cuz they’re all available for units now

2) does doing any of that count toward alliance or solo rewards of any sort?

3) I can’t think of a riskier stance to take than “isn’t it obvious…” given what we’ve seen over the past year or so. There’s no harm in asking for explicit clarifications.

LilMaddogHT

So the "consumables" that we don't exactly have have a list of yet will infact contribute points to the banquet event itself??!
Is it not obvious what they mean? Health pots, revives, energy refills etc..

It's the "etc" that people are interested in... All kinds of consumables currently in our inventory.

Does that mean it includes consumables such as:
Revives & Potions (regular, AQ, AW)
Refills (small, full, AQ & AW small refills)
Cores (Stoney, Carb, Class Mastery)
Boosts (Health, Attack, Health/Attack, AW versions of such, Class Boosts, 3min AW boosts, XP boosts)
Arena boosts and Arena Stamina refills
Sig Stones / Awake Gems
BG Shuffle Signets
BG Elder Marks
Duel Credits

Vergeman78

do you know if there will be a limit on the amount of the banquet/greater banquet crystals that you can buy or the amount of consumables that you can gift?
If they did this I would eat my hat

I’d put a limit of 999 999 999 just to see you eat that hat lol

arks

So what's the cap on the ammount of crystals that can be purchased?

Because this just looks like the same dumpster fire that the gifting event always was, completely going against what was stated here about scams, frauds and exploits:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312825/update-to-holiday-event-2022-no-more-gifting
It's a mobile video game, let people blow an unbelievable amount of money so you don't have to watch a "Evony" ad every minute. It doesn't affect you bro
So cheaters are fine as long as they give money. Is that what you're saying? Stop being ridiculous
You can't gift crystals. How is someone going to cheat if you have to buy units or with real money? Why do you care anyway? Aren't you F2P and anti-anything involving real world money?

he might probably one who was selling those for money in BM ... otherwise he wont be so pissed lmao

arks

Can we get confirmation that Thanos and Kang will be available in the new crystals?

yes both will be available along with weapon x

Buttehrs

Can we get confirmation that Thanos and Kang will be available in the new crystals?
yes both will be available along with weapon x

And Jessica Jones now. So we have 4 trophy champs in crystals

Spurgeon14

Yet another disappointing event from Kabam. Make people shed money during cyber weekend then follow it with another cash grab and call it “holiday event”. It’s more like “gimme-your-money event”.

I’m sure Kabam’s been very thankful, so they will make sure this event be a “fun” one (oh the irony…)

Do you spend all day working for free (assuming you have a job)? I don't know why people get so worked up about a company trying to make money. If you want to complain about the product complain about that, but this game isn't a charity case for them. It is their livelihood, so duh, they want to make money. 🤦‍♂️

Crcrcrc

Could pulling a 6 star trophy champ give you like a trophy nexus or something? I don't want to finally get lucky enough to get a trophy champ and pull jessica jones when I've been hunting kang, thanos, and weapon x for years now

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MrSakuragi

Can we get confirmation that Thanos and Kang will be available in the new crystals?
yes both will be available along with weapon x

Is this your assumption or was it confirmed somewhere?

Keonex

allowing people to gift consumables will make it so modders and arena bots sell consumables for less than they cost as they donhave done in years past

my opinion is that no gifting allowed of any consumables be allowed, maybe to keep the holiday spirit of giving it could be changed to how the red pocket gifting event was

Jackd1989

So does this confirm that Jessica Jones is going into the category of "Trophy Champ" and it will be a very small % chance of pulling her?

Cassy

allowing people to gift consumables will make it so modders and arena bots sell consumables for less than they cost as they donhave done in years past

my opinion is that no gifting allowed of any consumables be allowed, maybe to keep the holiday spirit of giving it could be changed to how the red pocket gifting event was

The Problem is, Kabam Info on "no gifting" was to late this year. People spend Money on unit dayly cards and Put work in alt Accounts.
The backlash was pretty heavy. I think it's fine this way. It will be the last time anyways.
And btw: modders need pots and revives? Nah...

Archdemon_

Am I correct in thinking that the end of war season overlaps with the date you need to be in an alliance by to qualify for this event?
Seems like poor planning if so, we're looking to fill 1 spot at season end, but worry no one will want to jump ship if they have to stay in alliance to get these rewards??

MrOmegaBeast

Will banquet crystals have the same item/resource pool for every progression level?

DrZola

So what's the cap on the ammount of crystals that can be purchased?

Because this just looks like the same dumpster fire that the gifting event always was, completely going against what was stated here about scams, frauds and exploits:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312825/update-to-holiday-event-2022-no-more-gifting
Its completely different in a fundamental way. The *gifting* part is mostly gone. And that changes everything.

According to the announcement, for the most part players will be buying crystals for themselves. To the extent that they will be able to gift, the gifts will have extremely limited value.

Why does it matter if you buy them yourself or are allowed to gift them to someone else? Because it is the gifting mechanism itself that amplifies the possibility of fraud by allowing fraudulent transactions to launder themselves.

To put it simply, if I use a fraudulent transaction of some kind to buy units, that transaction will be traced back to my account. But if I use a fraudulent transaction to buy units on another account and then gift the resources to my account, the fraud is traced to that other account, not mine. And while the gift exchange might be traced ultimately to my account, I can claim ignorance. I had no idea what that person was doing when we exchanged gifts. How was I supposed to know they were not buying legitimately?

Gifting essentially anonymizes fraudulent transactions. By essentially forcing everyone to buy their own crystals, Kabam can hold them singularly accountable for any fraud associated with those purchases. The likely relatively small amount of value associated with the materials that will be giftable - potions and such - will likely be too small to be profitable to exploit. Or at least dramatically lower the incentive to use the event for fraudulent transactions.

Selling Banquet crystals to players directly is no more exploitable than selling Odins to players directly. It was allowing accounts to gift that created the problem, because it created a disconnect between the account purchasing and the account ultimately receiving the value. To put it bluntly, the gifting mechanism allowed for literal money laundering. Removing that mechanism removes the critical component of the gifting event that made it uniquely vulnerable to scams and frauds.

I’d like to think the real gift is the gift we give the team with our hard earned real life currency. That’s the gift that truly keeps on giving.

Seriously, it’s a shame fraudsters ruined what was enjoyable for honest players. Even so, I won’t miss the unwanted lesser Gifting Crystals dropped on me by alliance members I neither know nor particularly like, all with an expectation of return. Too bad the game doesn’t offer a virtual holiday fruitcake to send back.

Dr. Zola

ShinobiGuy

Even so, I won’t miss the unwanted lesser Gifting Crystals dropped on me by alliance members I neither know nor particularly like, all with an expectation of return.

Amen to that.

OshEbAICS

14 days restriction it's not compatible with Battlegrounds event, I want to move to another ally for xmas event, but i will lose rewards for Battlegrounds I have work to

Buttehrs

14 days restriction it's not compatible with Battlegrounds event, I want to move to another ally for xmas event, but i will lose rewards for Battlegrounds I have work to

As with anything in life, they are making you choose which you want to prioritize, aw, gifting, or bg rewards.