BG Matchmaking

DancingElephantDancingElephant Member Posts: 12 ★
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Hi everyone, I see a lot of people complaining about that matchmaking in BG is terrible, matching them with someone with a much strong roster. (ex: you only have 1 rank 4 but you got match with someone that has multiple rank 4s).

I hate getting matched with people that have much a much strong roster also but I don't see why BG matchmaking should only match you with others who have similar rosters? Unless I am missing something, but shouldn't the BG matchmaking be purely based on your BG tier rather than your champ level? If you are Gold II, you should be able to match with anyone else that is in Gold II, whether they have 20 rank 4s or only no rank 4s. And then naturally someone with 20 rank 4s will quickly win multiple rounds and move to higher tiers and you won't be matched with them again. Unless you advance in your tiers and then you will see them again.
I feel like this is the "fair" way to do BG matchmaking. If your roster is not very strong then you will get stuck at a lower tier (unless you are really skilled) .Otherwise, if people with strong rosters always get matched with stronger people, and weaker people get matched with weaker people, then in what way does someone enjoy the benefit of having a strong roster?

I understand the frustration and I have a hard time advancing in BG as well as I don't think my roster is that strong. However, I don't necessarily think it is "unfair" when I get matched with someone with a much stronger roster. If he is still at my BG tier, either means that his skill is terrible or he will be leaving this tier really soon. Hope this make sense, let me know if anything that I simply didn't understand or missed. Thanks.

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  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.

    My response to this is how high in the overall rankings do you think you should be able to get to without facing the best accounts? If you're a TB and don't have any R4's, do you think that you should be able to be 1st in the world only facing other TBs if maintain a strong enough Win Rate? If Kabam wants to scale the Victory Track so that all players have the "same" amount of challenge getting through it, ok fair enough. Don't necessarily agree but I won't lose sleep because of it. However, this definitely shouldn't apply to the Gladiator's Circuit. If a player continues to win matches regularly in BG's, they should face stiffer competition until they struggle to win more than half of their matches. For some, that will be players with similar rosters but for others that will be people with MUCH bigger rosters than them because they are a gifted player. And, I know a lot of you hate this part, for some people this means matching with people with SMALLER rosters than them if they aren't so great at the game. Everyone should be winning roughly half of their matches. If progressing in the game and building up my roster doesn't increase my chances of succeeding in BGs, then there is a major flaw within the game mode. What you are suggesting would result in that.
  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    edited December 2022
    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.

    My response to this is how high in the overall rankings do you think you should be able to get to without facing the best accounts? If you're a TB and don't have any R4's, do you think that you should be able to be 1st in the world only facing other TBs if maintain a strong enough Win Rate? If Kabam wants to scale the Victory Track so that all players have the "same" amount of challenge getting through it, ok fair enough. Don't necessarily agree but I won't lose sleep because of it. However, this definitely shouldn't apply to the Gladiator's Circuit. If a player continues to win matches regularly in BG's, they should face stiffer competition until they struggle to win more than half of their matches. For some, that will be players with similar rosters but for others that will be people with MUCH bigger rosters than them because they are a gifted player. And, I know a lot of you hate this part, for some people this means matching with people with SMALLER rosters than them if they aren't so great at the game. Everyone should be winning roughly half of their matches. If progressing in the game and building up my roster doesn't increase my chances of succeeding in BGs, then there is a major flaw within the game mode. What you are suggesting would result in that.
    Having a bigger and better roster will make you have better defenders and attackers, but you shouldnt win in BGs because you payed more even playing at a mediocre level of skills, I reached GC having just 5-6 R3s and I play vs full roster of R4 and R3, awake and high sig, and doesnt matter how good I am if It will take me more time to win, I do less damage, receive more damage, and I have less power gain, and worse champs because Im not a whale.

    And not mentioning the nodes that will make this differences bigger.

    Its just not funny playing vs players that will beat you just because, and not because they play better than you, we already have Input and AI issues, adding such a huge disadvantage just makes the game boring, and people are playing a lot less BG cause of this matchmaking, I dont expect to play vs similar players, but 10k difference between the champs its just too much, even in the GC, 5k? Okay i can deal with that, Ill have it harder but its still playable, but more than that is just wasting time and resources.

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high
  • GoingBackGoingBack Member Posts: 126 ★★
    TLDR; I completely agree. Matchmaking should only be based on your current tier in order for everyone to end up in the bracket that is right for them.

    This is a mode where EVERYONE is competing for the exact same rewards. If you want to play for the same rewards, there should be 0 matchmaking outside of who is in your tier. This was the strongest/most skilled players are the ones that make it to the top. I have been in Gladiator Circuit and it was crazy how many unskilled and bad deck teams there were. None of them should have made it that far, the only reason they did is they faced teams of their same account prestige.
    There was someone in my alliance who made it to Gladiator significantly before me, but could barely keep a 10% win percentage once they got there. I fought him 10 times and never even came close to losing one round. How is this balanced that we should be in the same tier and get the same rewards? Maybe if we only match against people in our bracket, I won’t make it to the Gladiator Circuit and I would be fine with that. Maybe I will end up higher. The point is that if this is based on skill/roster, then nobody should be afraid to be matched up against those in their tier. It is the only fair way in a mode that is stack ranking people. It is the same thing as back in the day when I could not beat Coulson's Champion Challenge (2015), I didnt sit there complaining that I couldn’t get the rewards, I built my roster and my skill and was finally able to beat Chloe’s Warriors of Awesomeness.
    I don’t think this is a perfect solution either as you can have someone win multiple times with tokens and then lose a bunch using energy only to win again with tokens to manipulate the points you get, but I think it is a better solution than sandbagging or this current solution of only matching against prestige/account size.
  • ChatterofforumsChatterofforums Member Posts: 1,779 ★★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.

    My response to this is how high in the overall rankings do you think you should be able to get to without facing the best accounts? If you're a TB and don't have any R4's, do you think that you should be able to be 1st in the world only facing other TBs if maintain a strong enough Win Rate? If Kabam wants to scale the Victory Track so that all players have the "same" amount of challenge getting through it, ok fair enough. Don't necessarily agree but I won't lose sleep because of it. However, this definitely shouldn't apply to the Gladiator's Circuit. If a player continues to win matches regularly in BG's, they should face stiffer competition until they struggle to win more than half of their matches. For some, that will be players with similar rosters but for others that will be people with MUCH bigger rosters than them because they are a gifted player. And, I know a lot of you hate this part, for some people this means matching with people with SMALLER rosters than them if they aren't so great at the game. Everyone should be winning roughly half of their matches. If progressing in the game and building up my roster doesn't increase my chances of succeeding in BGs, then there is a major flaw within the game mode. What you are suggesting would result in that.
    Having a bigger and better roster will make you have better defenders and attackers, but you shouldnt win in BGs because you payed more even playing at a mediocre level of skills, I reached GC having just 5-6 R3s and I play vs full roster of R4 and R3, awake and high sig, and doesnt matter how good I am if It will take me more time to win, I do less damage, receive more damage, and I have less power gain, and worse champs because Im not a whale.

    And not mentioning the nodes that will make this differences bigger.

    Its just not funny playing vs players that will beat you just because, and not because they play better than you, we already have Input and AI issues, adding such a huge disadvantage just makes the game boring, and people are playing a lot less BG cause of this matchmaking, I dont expect to play vs similar players, but 10k difference between the champs its just too much, even in the GC, 5k? Okay i can deal with that, Ill have it harder but its still playable, but more than that is just wasting time and resources.

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high
    You want Gladiator circuit to take pi or prestige into factor for matchmaking?! So you want to progress in GC, which will get you higher rewards than accounts stronger than yours all while you don't think you should have to face the accounts stronger than yours that are competing for exact same rank rewards as you?

    This is seriously one of the most entitled things I've seen on forums.
  • GoingBackGoingBack Member Posts: 126 ★★
    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.

    My response to this is how high in the overall rankings do you think you should be able to get to without facing the best accounts? If you're a TB and don't have any R4's, do you think that you should be able to be 1st in the world only facing other TBs if maintain a strong enough Win Rate? If Kabam wants to scale the Victory Track so that all players have the "same" amount of challenge getting through it, ok fair enough. Don't necessarily agree but I won't lose sleep because of it. However, this definitely shouldn't apply to the Gladiator's Circuit. If a player continues to win matches regularly in BG's, they should face stiffer competition until they struggle to win more than half of their matches. For some, that will be players with similar rosters but for others that will be people with MUCH bigger rosters than them because they are a gifted player. And, I know a lot of you hate this part, for some people this means matching with people with SMALLER rosters than them if they aren't so great at the game. Everyone should be winning roughly half of their matches. If progressing in the game and building up my roster doesn't increase my chances of succeeding in BGs, then there is a major flaw within the game mode. What you are suggesting would result in that.
    Having a bigger and better roster will make you have better defenders and attackers, but you shouldnt win in BGs because you payed more even playing at a mediocre level of skills, I reached GC having just 5-6 R3s and I play vs full roster of R4 and R3, awake and high sig, and doesnt matter how good I am if It will take me more time to win, I do less damage, receive more damage, and I have less power gain, and worse champs because Im not a whale.

    And not mentioning the nodes that will make this differences bigger.

    Its just not funny playing vs players that will beat you just because, and not because they play better than you, we already have Input and AI issues, adding such a huge disadvantage just makes the game boring, and people are playing a lot less BG cause of this matchmaking, I dont expect to play vs similar players, but 10k difference between the champs its just too much, even in the GC, 5k? Okay i can deal with that, Ill have it harder but its still playable, but more than that is just wasting time and resources.

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high
    Actually that is exactly what should happen, if someone wants to pay a ton of money to get the best champs and rank them up, they should have a better shot at better rewards. I for one, am extremely grateful for those that whale out as they are the ones keeping this game going. As much as people like to complain about the spenders, without them the game would have shut down a long time ago.

    Is it frustrating to lose to r4 sig 200 Domino’s, Korgs, etc absolutely.

    The reason you made GC is because of the way matchmaking is now. Maybe you shouldn’t be there, the only way to be sure is to only match against people in your tier/bracket and if you are better than most of them, you move up, if you are not you dont. But roster should absolutely play a role as those that spend should have an advantage. And I am saying this as someone who barely spends (I do the monthly unit deal and ocasionally will buy the daily $4.99 deals, yes I do spend during July 4, Cyber Weekend, etc, but definitely not whale territory). For better or worse (probably worse) the game has left FTP players behind. Look at someone like Brian Grant, as he doesn’t spend, he wasn’t able to keep up with those that do and have 20+ r4 champs.
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high

    I picked the part of your quote that shows exactly why Matchmaking shouldn't be the way your suggesting. The Matchmaking in the Victory Track seems to try much harder to match platers with similar Rosters (TBH and Prestige). If you were winning 80% of the matches, then you average opponent obviously wasn't competitive enough. To make this even clearer, when you reached GC, your Win Rate plummeted because you were suddenly facing the average person in Gladiator's Circuit who, in your defense, probably has a bigger roster than you. If the game was actually giving you fair matches all along, this wouldn't have happened. It is very likely that you have above average skills compared to others of equal roster strength. However, What you're suggesting offers no way for something who might be more skilled than you but also just has a bigger roster to face you. You would want to face people who have smaller rosters. Smaller rosters aren't necessarily less skilled but it's likely that they have played less and have less experience since rosters only grow. I agree that all matches should be against an evenly matched opponent, I'm just disagreeing with the criteria that determines that to have anything to do with the champions in your account. It should exclusively be based upon your success in the game mode. You win matches, you face tougher opponents. You lose matches, you get weaker ones. That's how matchmaking stays fair.

  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    GoingBack said:

    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.

    My response to this is how high in the overall rankings do you think you should be able to get to without facing the best accounts? If you're a TB and don't have any R4's, do you think that you should be able to be 1st in the world only facing other TBs if maintain a strong enough Win Rate? If Kabam wants to scale the Victory Track so that all players have the "same" amount of challenge getting through it, ok fair enough. Don't necessarily agree but I won't lose sleep because of it. However, this definitely shouldn't apply to the Gladiator's Circuit. If a player continues to win matches regularly in BG's, they should face stiffer competition until they struggle to win more than half of their matches. For some, that will be players with similar rosters but for others that will be people with MUCH bigger rosters than them because they are a gifted player. And, I know a lot of you hate this part, for some people this means matching with people with SMALLER rosters than them if they aren't so great at the game. Everyone should be winning roughly half of their matches. If progressing in the game and building up my roster doesn't increase my chances of succeeding in BGs, then there is a major flaw within the game mode. What you are suggesting would result in that.
    Having a bigger and better roster will make you have better defenders and attackers, but you shouldnt win in BGs because you payed more even playing at a mediocre level of skills, I reached GC having just 5-6 R3s and I play vs full roster of R4 and R3, awake and high sig, and doesnt matter how good I am if It will take me more time to win, I do less damage, receive more damage, and I have less power gain, and worse champs because Im not a whale.

    And not mentioning the nodes that will make this differences bigger.

    Its just not funny playing vs players that will beat you just because, and not because they play better than you, we already have Input and AI issues, adding such a huge disadvantage just makes the game boring, and people are playing a lot less BG cause of this matchmaking, I dont expect to play vs similar players, but 10k difference between the champs its just too much, even in the GC, 5k? Okay i can deal with that, Ill have it harder but its still playable, but more than that is just wasting time and resources.

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high
    Actually that is exactly what should happen, if someone wants to pay a ton of money to get the best champs and rank them up, they should have a better shot at better rewards. I for one, am extremely grateful for those that whale out as they are the ones keeping this game going. As much as people like to complain about the spenders, without them the game would have shut down a long time ago.

    Is it frustrating to lose to r4 sig 200 Domino’s, Korgs, etc absolutely.

    The reason you made GC is because of the way matchmaking is now. Maybe you shouldn’t be there, the only way to be sure is to only match against people in your tier/bracket and if you are better than most of them, you move up, if you are not you dont. But roster should absolutely play a role as those that spend should have an advantage. And I am saying this as someone who barely spends (I do the monthly unit deal and ocasionally will buy the daily $4.99 deals, yes I do spend during July 4, Cyber Weekend, etc, but definitely not whale territory). For better or worse (probably worse) the game has left FTP players behind. Look at someone like Brian Grant, as he doesn’t spend, he wasn’t able to keep up with those that do and have 20+ r4 champs.
    As I said, I already was matching vs Paragons all the time, Im TB, and still won because Im a good player, and I won vs that R4 Korgs and Dominos, but there's a huge difference between normal Paragons and the biggest whales with 20k value champs.

    But if the matchmaking is working like this, then this is not a competitive mode, its just a whaling mode like all the others, where your skill doesnt matter that much.

    But its not funny to play vs whaled players that dont even know basic counters, where I play way better but just because of the 10k difference in our champ values, he is going to win anyway, with worse skills and worse drafts, thats my problem, because I really tried to climb in GC, but I could win like 2 or 3 in a row vs such a jacked accounts, after that is like play 4, win 1.

    As I already said, I wanna play vs people that are around my skill, I dont mind that much on their values, but losing because they have better champs while being less skilled is the annoying part of all of this.
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    @Jefechuta May I ask what Tier in GC you finished, What Tier you think you deserved, and your Total Base Hero Rating?
  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high

    I picked the part of your quote that shows exactly why Matchmaking shouldn't be the way your suggesting. The Matchmaking in the Victory Track seems to try much harder to match platers with similar Rosters (TBH and Prestige). If you were winning 80% of the matches, then you average opponent obviously wasn't competitive enough. To make this even clearer, when you reached GC, your Win Rate plummeted because you were suddenly facing the average person in Gladiator's Circuit who, in your defense, probably has a bigger roster than you. If the game was actually giving you fair matches all along, this wouldn't have happened. It is very likely that you have above average skills compared to others of equal roster strength. However, What you're suggesting offers no way for something who might be more skilled than you but also just has a bigger roster to face you. You would want to face people who have smaller rosters. Smaller rosters aren't necessarily less skilled but it's likely that they have played less and have less experience since rosters only grow. I agree that all matches should be against an evenly matched opponent, I'm just disagreeing with the criteria that determines that to have anything to do with the champions in your account. It should exclusively be based upon your success in the game mode. You win matches, you face tougher opponents. You lose matches, you get weaker ones. That's how matchmaking stays fair.

    My Victory Track matches were mostly people with some R4s and a good bunch of R3, but in GC thats reversed, they have a good bunch of R4s and some R3s, that makes it too hard for my actual roster to beat, there's a very big difference.

    And Im not really complaining, I dont care staying in Uru or Gamma or whatever, I never meant to reach Celestial, but it is just not funny to lose just because of the roster, I dont mind playing and reaching Uru I and going back to Uru II or even playing in Uru III because Im not that good to reach Uru II, but the problem is that Im not able just because of the roster, not because Im better or worse, and I dont want to play vs similar accs, I played a lot vs higher accounts, I dont mind that, but it was playable, they may have something around 5k more in each champ than mine, but I could still play it good enough, but 3 of 4 matches are with a lot more difference and Its just no playable at all.

    And I repite, I'm already satisfied with what I've done because I know I played really good and thats enough for me, but I just think matchmaking needs some adjustments, not big ones, but some
  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    K00shMaan said:

    @Jefechuta May I ask what Tier in GC you finished, What Tier you think you deserved, and your Total Base Hero Rating?

    Sure:

    I got Uru 3 with idk, 20 to 30 points maybe? Dont really remember as I dropped it like 4 days ago.

    I think I could maybe reach Uru 2 or Uru 1, as Im not good enough with some of the nodes that were in the GC the last 2 weeks.

    and this is my roster:





    Venom is 12110 by now.
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    And as you said, everyone should be winning half, my GC history is just maybe 15% winrate, and Im not bad at the game, my winrate in Victory Track might be something like 80%, and matchmaking was already a mess there, but the difference in GC is too damn high

    I picked the part of your quote that shows exactly why Matchmaking shouldn't be the way your suggesting. The Matchmaking in the Victory Track seems to try much harder to match platers with similar Rosters (TBH and Prestige). If you were winning 80% of the matches, then you average opponent obviously wasn't competitive enough. To make this even clearer, when you reached GC, your Win Rate plummeted because you were suddenly facing the average person in Gladiator's Circuit who, in your defense, probably has a bigger roster than you. If the game was actually giving you fair matches all along, this wouldn't have happened. It is very likely that you have above average skills compared to others of equal roster strength. However, What you're suggesting offers no way for something who might be more skilled than you but also just has a bigger roster to face you. You would want to face people who have smaller rosters. Smaller rosters aren't necessarily less skilled but it's likely that they have played less and have less experience since rosters only grow. I agree that all matches should be against an evenly matched opponent, I'm just disagreeing with the criteria that determines that to have anything to do with the champions in your account. It should exclusively be based upon your success in the game mode. You win matches, you face tougher opponents. You lose matches, you get weaker ones. That's how matchmaking stays fair.

    My Victory Track matches were mostly people with some R4s and a good bunch of R3, but in GC thats reversed, they have a good bunch of R4s and some R3s, that makes it too hard for my actual roster to beat, there's a very big difference.

    And Im not really complaining, I dont care staying in Uru or Gamma or whatever, I never meant to reach Celestial, but it is just not funny to lose just because of the roster, I dont mind playing and reaching Uru I and going back to Uru II or even playing in Uru III because Im not that good to reach Uru II, but the problem is that Im not able just because of the roster, not because Im better or worse, and I dont want to play vs similar accs, I played a lot vs higher accounts, I dont mind that, but it was playable, they may have something around 5k more in each champ than mine, but I could still play it good enough, but 3 of 4 matches are with a lot more difference and Its just no playable at all.

    And I repite, I'm already satisfied with what I've done because I know I played really good and thats enough for me, but I just think matchmaking needs some adjustments, not big ones, but some
    I've said this a bunch of other times in other threads, The biggest problem with matchmaking actually has nothing to do with matchmaking itself. The problem is the full reset of all the progress made towards determining everyone's level of competitiveness between seasons. Anyone in the top 200 should not be facing an "average" Paragon next season but they will for a significant portion of it. We've had 3 Seasons + Betas to help determine how good individual's are at the game. We don't need to go back to square one every month just cuz a few nodes changed
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    @Jefechuta May I ask what Tier in GC you finished, What Tier you think you deserved, and your Total Base Hero Rating?

    Sure:

    I got Uru 3 with idk, 20 to 30 points maybe? Dont really remember as I dropped it like 4 days ago.

    I think I could maybe reach Uru 2 or Uru 1, as Im not good enough with some of the nodes that were in the GC the last 2 weeks.

    and this is my roster:





    Venom is 12110 by now.
    So here is what I'm trying to get at. You think you could make Uru 1 or 2. Let's go with Uru 2. You think that based on skill level alone, you're deserving of being ranked a top 8500 BG player in the world (cut off for Uru 2). Yet if I go by TBH, I'm going to assume you're outside of the top 100,000 players of MCOC. So even if we only consider players with a bigger roster than you, you are still suggesting that you are more skilled at this game than over 91.5% of them?
  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    @Jefechuta May I ask what Tier in GC you finished, What Tier you think you deserved, and your Total Base Hero Rating?

    Sure:

    I got Uru 3 with idk, 20 to 30 points maybe? Dont really remember as I dropped it like 4 days ago.

    I think I could maybe reach Uru 2 or Uru 1, as Im not good enough with some of the nodes that were in the GC the last 2 weeks.

    and this is my roster:





    Venom is 12110 by now.
    So here is what I'm trying to get at. You think you could make Uru 1 or 2. Let's go with Uru 2. You think that based on skill level alone, you're deserving of being ranked a top 8500 BG player in the world (cut off for Uru 2). Yet if I go by TBH, I'm going to assume you're outside of the top 100,000 players of MCOC. So even if we only consider players with a bigger roster than you, you are still suggesting that you are more skilled at this game than over 91.5% of them?
    Here is my problem, the fact that the roster values are such different between matchs, we dont know how skilled the people really are, Im very confident with my skills, I have a "small" roster but I've been playing for 7 years, Im not a new player, but dropped a few times the game for maybe half a year or something like that so dont judge my skills with my roster (not rude)
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    @Jefechuta May I ask what Tier in GC you finished, What Tier you think you deserved, and your Total Base Hero Rating?

    Sure:

    I got Uru 3 with idk, 20 to 30 points maybe? Dont really remember as I dropped it like 4 days ago.

    I think I could maybe reach Uru 2 or Uru 1, as Im not good enough with some of the nodes that were in the GC the last 2 weeks.

    and this is my roster:





    Venom is 12110 by now.
    So here is what I'm trying to get at. You think you could make Uru 1 or 2. Let's go with Uru 2. You think that based on skill level alone, you're deserving of being ranked a top 8500 BG player in the world (cut off for Uru 2). Yet if I go by TBH, I'm going to assume you're outside of the top 100,000 players of MCOC. So even if we only consider players with a bigger roster than you, you are still suggesting that you are more skilled at this game than over 91.5% of them?
    Here is my problem, the fact that the roster values are such different between matchs, we dont know how skilled the people really are, Im very confident with my skills, I have a "small" roster but I've been playing for 7 years, Im not a new player, but dropped a few times the game for maybe half a year or something like that so dont judge my skills with my roster (not rude)
    Oh I'm not trying to discredit you're ability to play the game at all. I'm just saying that the GC rewards are ranked rewards. For you to creep into a higher tier it means someone else doesn't get those rewards. I'm cool with the most skilled players getting them rather than the big rosters but if you are specifically going to cause someone to get weaker rewards than you, you should have to go through them, regardless of their roster size. Victory Track is different because everyone "can" get those same rewards but GC isn't designed that way.
  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    @Jefechuta May I ask what Tier in GC you finished, What Tier you think you deserved, and your Total Base Hero Rating?

    Sure:

    I got Uru 3 with idk, 20 to 30 points maybe? Dont really remember as I dropped it like 4 days ago.

    I think I could maybe reach Uru 2 or Uru 1, as Im not good enough with some of the nodes that were in the GC the last 2 weeks.

    and this is my roster:





    Venom is 12110 by now.
    So here is what I'm trying to get at. You think you could make Uru 1 or 2. Let's go with Uru 2. You think that based on skill level alone, you're deserving of being ranked a top 8500 BG player in the world (cut off for Uru 2). Yet if I go by TBH, I'm going to assume you're outside of the top 100,000 players of MCOC. So even if we only consider players with a bigger roster than you, you are still suggesting that you are more skilled at this game than over 91.5% of them?
    Here is my problem, the fact that the roster values are such different between matchs, we dont know how skilled the people really are, Im very confident with my skills, I have a "small" roster but I've been playing for 7 years, Im not a new player, but dropped a few times the game for maybe half a year or something like that so dont judge my skills with my roster (not rude)
    Oh I'm not trying to discredit you're ability to play the game at all. I'm just saying that the GC rewards are ranked rewards. For you to creep into a higher tier it means someone else doesn't get those rewards. I'm cool with the most skilled players getting them rather than the big rosters but if you are specifically going to cause someone to get weaker rewards than you, you should have to go through them, regardless of their roster size. Victory Track is different because everyone "can" get those same rewards but GC isn't designed that way.
    Thats a very valid point, but then the fact that being more or less skilled is less notorious in GC is a little bit meh
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    Jefechuta said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Jefechuta said:

    Because this should be a skill based mode, not a "Who whaled more" mode.

    Has I posted in other thread, I got matched vs full R4 and some R3s players a few times, and my roster is 6 R3, some R2 and R1, their worst champ was my best, so as I say, this becomes a mode that rewards the one that has spent more instead of who plays better.

    My response to this is how high in the overall rankings do you think you should be able to get to without facing the best accounts? If you're a TB and don't have any R4's, do you think that you should be able to be 1st in the world only facing other TBs if maintain a strong enough Win Rate? If Kabam wants to scale the Victory Track so that all players have the "same" amount of challenge getting through it, ok fair enough. Don't necessarily agree but I won't lose sleep because of it. However, this definitely shouldn't apply to the Gladiator's Circuit. If a player continues to win matches regularly in BG's, they should face stiffer competition until they struggle to win more than half of their matches. For some, that will be players with similar rosters but for others that will be people with MUCH bigger rosters than them because they are a gifted player. And, I know a lot of you hate this part, for some people this means matching with people with SMALLER rosters than them if they aren't so great at the game. Everyone should be winning roughly half of their matches. If progressing in the game and building up my roster doesn't increase my chances of succeeding in BGs, then there is a major flaw within the game mode. What you are suggesting would result in that.
    I reached GC having just 5-6 R3s and I play vs full roster of R4 and R3, awake and high sig, and doesnt matter how good I am if It will take me more time to win, I do less damage, receive more damage, and I have less power gain, and worse champs because Im not a whale.

    And yet there’s probably a lot of people that didn’t reach gladiator circuit that have a much superior roster but because victory track matches on prestige or summoner rating, they can’t, but they could beat you. And that is going to cause issues sooner rather than later because why should you get better rewards than people that could beat you.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,993 ★★★★★
    Why do you assume that you're more skilled than players with bigger rosters than you?
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