Hey everyone - just a gentle reminder to be kind to each other.
Your frustration should absolutely lie with us, not your fellow players. Everyone plays the game differently, and can be impacted by outages differently as well - this is part of what makes our conversation surrounding compensation so difficult.
We've seen a lot of very constructive and valid feedback posted here, thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts. Just remember to be kind to each other, because at the end of the day you all want the same thing - the ability to play a stable game without any issues
On the topic of compensation, I’d like to ask that the expiration timers for catalyst also be considered. I scooped up every recent offer that included t4b or T1a with the expectation that those resources would be used for several key rank ups after quickly exploring all of act 5.
I know kabam has acknowledged players concerns over expiring items. I’d just ask that the clock also be paused for expiring catalysts. At least for a week or two after the eventual release of 5.4
Obviously, step one is getting the game back to some sort of stability.
But I would hope step two is to address adequately lost resources, time, and opportunity costs. Because of its intermittent nature, this outage isn’t like an emergency or scheduled maintenance that can just be waited out. Much of the last two days of gameplay are lost, and along with that AQ maps, AW, boosts, catalysts, shards, streaks and a host of other things (but not 5* AGs—the very suggestion that someone should get that for an outage is beyond ludicrous). Players start, stop, start again, stop again, over and over. That’s costly.
Get the servers right first. Then make sure you get right with the community.
Obviously, step one is getting the game back to some sort of stability.
But I would hope step two is to address adequately lost resources, time, and opportunity costs. Because of its intermittent nature, this outage isn’t like an emergency or scheduled maintenance that can just be waited out. Much of the last two days of gameplay are lost, and along with that AQ maps, AW, boosts, catalysts, shards, streaks and a host of other things (but not 5* AGs—the very suggestion that someone should get that for an outage is beyond ludicrous). Players start, stop, start again, stop again, over and over. That’s costly.
Get the servers right first. Then make sure you get right with the community.
Dr. Zola
Ludicrous is what the current situation of the game is. How is asking for a 5☆ AG unfathomable but expecting the game to work properly somehow isn't.
Because there was so much wild speculation about this, I decided to break down and just figure it out. As far as I can tell, the backend servers for MCOC appear to be hosted on google cloud platform. At least, that's what the game client seems to talk to a lot.
So speculating about any hardware component of the game infrastructure is probably fruitless. There's no obvious way to tell what they are running in the compute engines, whether it is Windows or Linux, but for game back end engines that's largely irrelevant given how most game engines are designed.
The actual problem could be in the actual software running on the compute engines, the presentation or balancing layer (App engine or other), the Google cloud infrastructure, the Google Cloud Networking layer, the database engines (Google or other), or a lot of other things implementation-related. But people speculating that it is slow hard drives or running older versions of Windows are probably not on the right track.
This exactly. Regardless of the provider, a cloud infrastructure can hickup on so many different levels it's just not funny anymore. From the actual hardware to the virtual machines, so much I/O goes on where things can go awry alone that it's searching for needles in stacks of needles squared. Problems happen, it's not always going to be an easy fix.
This is not something I am willing to just go and put blame for onto any one party. And the way demands are made in this thread, from the ridiculous to the downright insulting... Yes, I'm also not amused, but seriously people, take a few steps back, breathe and go do something else. It's not the end of the world. Honestly.
This getting frastuating....
it like play one fight than next fight go inn and than server issue... get kick out of game and when game up.. we get half health... entire day 2 aq happened in same way and now it started on 3rd day ... already lost one champ...
i m out untill they fix it...
it annoying now
Alright I'm not demanding compensation sense we know it is being talked about but I do want to throw a few ideas out there.
So first lets start off with AQ compensation, the 100% completion rewards should be given out to every allaince heck you could even double it as an extra we are sorry factor.
For arenas gift refills/boosts to every one effected.
But now for the "We are sorry that this happened" compensation. Lets start of the overly nice and very unlikely one. A free 5* Generic Awakening gem, yes this would be nice and everyone will for sure benefit from this but it is incredibly unlikely these will be given out as compensation/calender rewards anytime soon. Time to the more likely ones a 4* Awakening gem, t4cc crystals, Energy refills, potions, refills and t1 alphas with a few t2a shards. Granted a majority of these prprobably won't happen but it will be a great way to keep the player base happy and apologize for the massive inconvenience.
Each time the servers have gone down, when they come back up the scoring for everything is off, ot lower. Example. Summoner Advancement, when this first started we had 388,000+ points, after a couple of the disconnects i checked and we were down to 355,000+ points. I checked the roster and members, no one left, no one joined in that time frame. Then today i logged in and we were down to 242,000+ points under and rank rewards still showing available. So I decided to check the perfect series event and same thing has happened. Points have dropped my tens to a hundred thousand.
All of point totals have been getting screwy since thw outages.
Now I tend to have to agree here with the players regarding AQ and Arenas, ive taken several "auto losses" because i win thw fight, suddenly game goes down, and then when back in, instead of redoing the fight, says network error, bam, auto loss. There is no fair, or correct score you can give for the system triggering auto losses. At this point, just conceed and give the people already in ranked arena the champ already. This has lasted for almlst 24 hours now.
I even submitted a ticket when i noticed SA issues with scores. I got an automated response in general about the outages and then auto closed ticket.
I get it that compensation comes later however, dont you think we at least deserve more than an email door slammed in our face when we report a seperate problem that may be linked? Still have the ticket number that got closed and no answer as to why scores have been changing.
I suspect the reason for altered point totals is with the server issues, not all activity is being saved. For instance, I have been disconnected in arena so much that I have literally fought the same team 10 times and have still not gotten the points for it. There is a brief window before getting disconnected where you’re still playing, but your actions are not saved.
Thanks for the update @Kabam Miike we missed 3x100% on map 5 today because the dude we were waiting on couldn’t log in to clear a symbiod. Hopefully it’s resolved soon.
The servers went down when I was loading into AQ and now when I try to go back in I cant join, it just says spectate and that I can only join one AQ at a time. I need this fixed ASAP.
So the servers went down yet again as I was entering AQ and now I an unable to participate. Getting a message that I can join only one AQ at a time, on top of that the champs I attempted to join with are locked in.
Obviously, step one is getting the game back to some sort of stability.
But I would hope step two is to address adequately lost resources, time, and opportunity costs. Because of its intermittent nature, this outage isn’t like an emergency or scheduled maintenance that can just be waited out. Much of the last two days of gameplay are lost, and along with that AQ maps, AW, boosts, catalysts, shards, streaks and a host of other things (but not 5* AGs—the very suggestion that someone should get that for an outage is beyond ludicrous). Players start, stop, start again, stop again, over and over. That’s costly.
Get the servers right first. Then make sure you get right with the community.
Dr. Zola
Ludicrous is what the current situation of the game is. How is asking for a 5☆ AG unfathomable but expecting the game to work properly somehow isn't.
People have a reasonable expectation for the game to work properly. No one is suggesting otherwise that I've seen.
But compensation for instability or outages should attempt, as best as possible, to address the costs associated with that disruption. They should not be leveraged into a winning lottery ticket.
Also, we still don't know the source of the problem yet. I would expect Kabam to do something to mitigate the problem for the players no matter what the cause is. But my expectations in this regard would be different if the problem was due to something under their direct control verses something they had no control over.
People were speculating that it might be due to antiquated or insufficient hardware resources, but that seems to now be extremely unlikely. People were speculating that the cause was extreme load that Kabam did not anticipate, but that also now seems unlikely. It could ultimately be a bug in software Kabam has full control of, a bug in software supplied by a vendor, or a problem in one of the many components of the cloud infrastructure they appear to be using. My attitude towards compensation will depend on which of those possibilities (or something else) turns out to be true, and the degree to which Kabam is transparent enough for me to tell the difference.
This would be a good opportunity for Kabam to really try hard to be transparent to the best degree possible. Because I would not expect anyone to simply take Kabam's word at face value that the problem was "unavoidable." Informing the customers what the actual problem was, where it was, and what is being done to prevent all similar problems from recurring would be worth something in my opinion. Not saying those things would contrawise give license for players to believe the worst.
And it is always possible to do that without throwing someone under the bus, which is often the excuse used to claim the information to be proprietary.
Each time the servers have gone down, when they come back up the scoring for everything is off, ot lower. Example. Summoner Advancement, when this first started we had 388,000+ points, after a couple of the disconnects i checked and we were down to 355,000+ points. I checked the roster and members, no one left, no one joined in that time frame. Then today i logged in and we were down to 242,000+ points under and rank rewards still showing available. So I decided to check the perfect series event and same thing has happened. Points have dropped my tens to a hundred thousand.
Interesting. That would suggest one of a small number of possibilities.
This is ridiculous with all these Service interruptions Kabam you are preventing me from getting a 5* green goblin Crystal which is going to end in less than 24 hours and I’ll never have time to get 200 5* shards for it With all the interruptions thanks a lot Kabam especially since I’ve been with you guys since the beginning you have a great game but you take advantage of players and don’t properly compensate players for your mistakes and there’s thousands of players out there that feel the same way I do and thanks a lot again for preventing me from getting one of the only 5* champs I want (green goblin)
Thanks a lot Kabam for all the service interruptions I only need 200 5 star crystal shards to get the green goblin five star crystal but that’s not happening now with all the interruptions
Obviously, step one is getting the game back to some sort of stability.
But I would hope step two is to address adequately lost resources, time, and opportunity costs. Because of its intermittent nature, this outage isn’t like an emergency or scheduled maintenance that can just be waited out. Much of the last two days of gameplay are lost, and along with that AQ maps, AW, boosts, catalysts, shards, streaks and a host of other things (but not 5* AGs—the very suggestion that someone should get that for an outage is beyond ludicrous). Players start, stop, start again, stop again, over and over. That’s costly.
Get the servers right first. Then make sure you get right with the community.
Dr. Zola
Ludicrous is what the current situation of the game is. How is asking for a 5☆ AG unfathomable but expecting the game to work properly somehow isn't.
Game is in ruins. Compensation should be at a minimum generous. And while I certainly wouldn’t turn one down, there’s no nexus between the game’s problems and 5* AGs. Unless, of course, you were about to explore 5.4.
I am losing starlord
I waited so long to awaken starlod I did first arena 6.5m now & got him now reached 3m if I didn't awakened him will very dissappointed
This makes no sense because the game is down for everyone not just you. Everyone is losing the same amount of arena time
No because timezones..... down less for people who are asleep while it is down..... i lost 3hrs last night while my mate was sleeping.... while inwas sleeping he played.... mmmmm.... i lost more time than him.... common sense....
“People were speculating that it might be due to antiquated or insufficient hardware resources, but that seems to now be extremely unlikely. People were speculating that the cause was extreme load that Kabam did not anticipate, but that also now seems unlikely. It could ultimately be a bug in software Kabam has full control of, a bug in software supplied by a vendor, or a problem in one of the many components of the cloud infrastructure they appear to be using. My attitude towards compensation will depend on which of those possibilities (or something else) turns out to be true, and the degree to which Kabam is transparent enough for me to tell the difference.
This would be a good opportunity for Kabam to really try hard to be transparent to the best degree possible. Because I would not expect anyone to simply take Kabam's word at face value that the problem was "unavoidable." Informing the customers what the actual problem was, where it was, and what is being done to prevent all similar problems from recurring would be worth something in my opinion. Not saying those things would contrawise give license for players to believe the worst.
And it is always possible to do that without throwing someone under the bus, which is often the excuse used to claim the information to be proprietary.”
I like this. I don’t always agree with you, but this is solid.
I really just want to know a ballpark estimate on when act 5.4 is gonna be released. Not even a 100% time, just a general time frame. Is it going to be tomorrow, the next day, next week? If it's not going to be released tomorrow, I would like to do another path of LOL since I've already made the time to do act 5.4.. would rather not waste the free time I've made, and I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation.... I'm sure based on w.e issue you guys found to be causing this, you can make an educated guess.
Hopefully, this will rectify the problems I've been having since downloading the new module. It's been seven days since the new event and I've not been able to enter ANY arena.
I can collect crystals and look at my new Howard the duck which is fun in it's own right, but I'd actually like to play the game without error messages and game crashes.
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Your frustration should absolutely lie with us, not your fellow players. Everyone plays the game differently, and can be impacted by outages differently as well - this is part of what makes our conversation surrounding compensation so difficult.
We've seen a lot of very constructive and valid feedback posted here, thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts. Just remember to be kind to each other, because at the end of the day you all want the same thing - the ability to play a stable game without any issues
I know kabam has acknowledged players concerns over expiring items. I’d just ask that the clock also be paused for expiring catalysts. At least for a week or two after the eventual release of 5.4
But I would hope step two is to address adequately lost resources, time, and opportunity costs. Because of its intermittent nature, this outage isn’t like an emergency or scheduled maintenance that can just be waited out. Much of the last two days of gameplay are lost, and along with that AQ maps, AW, boosts, catalysts, shards, streaks and a host of other things (but not 5* AGs—the very suggestion that someone should get that for an outage is beyond ludicrous). Players start, stop, start again, stop again, over and over. That’s costly.
Get the servers right first. Then make sure you get right with the community.
Dr. Zola
Ludicrous is what the current situation of the game is. How is asking for a 5☆ AG unfathomable but expecting the game to work properly somehow isn't.
This exactly. Regardless of the provider, a cloud infrastructure can hickup on so many different levels it's just not funny anymore. From the actual hardware to the virtual machines, so much I/O goes on where things can go awry alone that it's searching for needles in stacks of needles squared. Problems happen, it's not always going to be an easy fix.
This is not something I am willing to just go and put blame for onto any one party. And the way demands are made in this thread, from the ridiculous to the downright insulting... Yes, I'm also not amused, but seriously people, take a few steps back, breathe and go do something else. It's not the end of the world. Honestly.
it like play one fight than next fight go inn and than server issue... get kick out of game and when game up.. we get half health... entire day 2 aq happened in same way and now it started on 3rd day ... already lost one champ...
i m out untill they fix it...
it annoying now
So first lets start off with AQ compensation, the 100% completion rewards should be given out to every allaince heck you could even double it as an extra we are sorry factor.
For arenas gift refills/boosts to every one effected.
But now for the "We are sorry that this happened" compensation. Lets start of the overly nice and very unlikely one. A free 5* Generic Awakening gem, yes this would be nice and everyone will for sure benefit from this but it is incredibly unlikely these will be given out as compensation/calender rewards anytime soon. Time to the more likely ones a 4* Awakening gem, t4cc crystals, Energy refills, potions, refills and t1 alphas with a few t2a shards. Granted a majority of these prprobably won't happen but it will be a great way to keep the player base happy and apologize for the massive inconvenience.
I suspect the reason for altered point totals is with the server issues, not all activity is being saved. For instance, I have been disconnected in arena so much that I have literally fought the same team 10 times and have still not gotten the points for it. There is a brief window before getting disconnected where you’re still playing, but your actions are not saved.
But you enjoyed a day of real life on the opposite side of the coin, which shouldn't mean you are due compensation.
People have a reasonable expectation for the game to work properly. No one is suggesting otherwise that I've seen.
But compensation for instability or outages should attempt, as best as possible, to address the costs associated with that disruption. They should not be leveraged into a winning lottery ticket.
Also, we still don't know the source of the problem yet. I would expect Kabam to do something to mitigate the problem for the players no matter what the cause is. But my expectations in this regard would be different if the problem was due to something under their direct control verses something they had no control over.
People were speculating that it might be due to antiquated or insufficient hardware resources, but that seems to now be extremely unlikely. People were speculating that the cause was extreme load that Kabam did not anticipate, but that also now seems unlikely. It could ultimately be a bug in software Kabam has full control of, a bug in software supplied by a vendor, or a problem in one of the many components of the cloud infrastructure they appear to be using. My attitude towards compensation will depend on which of those possibilities (or something else) turns out to be true, and the degree to which Kabam is transparent enough for me to tell the difference.
This would be a good opportunity for Kabam to really try hard to be transparent to the best degree possible. Because I would not expect anyone to simply take Kabam's word at face value that the problem was "unavoidable." Informing the customers what the actual problem was, where it was, and what is being done to prevent all similar problems from recurring would be worth something in my opinion. Not saying those things would contrawise give license for players to believe the worst.
And it is always possible to do that without throwing someone under the bus, which is often the excuse used to claim the information to be proprietary.
Interesting. That would suggest one of a small number of possibilities.
Game is in ruins. Compensation should be at a minimum generous. And while I certainly wouldn’t turn one down, there’s no nexus between the game’s problems and 5* AGs. Unless, of course, you were about to explore 5.4.
Dr. Zola
No because timezones..... down less for people who are asleep while it is down..... i lost 3hrs last night while my mate was sleeping.... while inwas sleeping he played.... mmmmm.... i lost more time than him.... common sense....
“People were speculating that it might be due to antiquated or insufficient hardware resources, but that seems to now be extremely unlikely. People were speculating that the cause was extreme load that Kabam did not anticipate, but that also now seems unlikely. It could ultimately be a bug in software Kabam has full control of, a bug in software supplied by a vendor, or a problem in one of the many components of the cloud infrastructure they appear to be using. My attitude towards compensation will depend on which of those possibilities (or something else) turns out to be true, and the degree to which Kabam is transparent enough for me to tell the difference.
This would be a good opportunity for Kabam to really try hard to be transparent to the best degree possible. Because I would not expect anyone to simply take Kabam's word at face value that the problem was "unavoidable." Informing the customers what the actual problem was, where it was, and what is being done to prevent all similar problems from recurring would be worth something in my opinion. Not saying those things would contrawise give license for players to believe the worst.
And it is always possible to do that without throwing someone under the bus, which is often the excuse used to claim the information to be proprietary.”
I like this. I don’t always agree with you, but this is solid.
Dr. Zola
I can collect crystals and look at my new Howard the duck which is fun in it's own right, but I'd actually like to play the game without error messages and game crashes.