Opinion - Saga defenders are completely nerfed by the current war Tactic.

Masquirade · July 11

I would suggest that the #Clarity war Tactic goes far beyond countering the #HouseOfMirrors nodes and completely nerfs the defensive prowess of most Saga defenders.

For some perspective, we've just come away from #X-Magica and #MagicThief, where tactic defenders gained indestructible charges and you either had to parry the defender to remove a charge, or hit into the defender's block with an X-Magica champion, to gain prowess charges, which in turn would be spent to cancel out the indestructible charge. This gave every fight an extra element to deal with, on top of the node placement and champion kit. What we now have however is a defensive tactic which allows tactic defenders a chance to autoblock or evade, and if you look through the list of tactic defenders, autoblocking and evading is already a part of most of their kits - Overseer, Omega Sentinel, Darkhawk, 4/5 of the Spiderman iterations, it's crazy. So at the point where you gain your clarity charge (taking only a few seconds for a lot of Clarity attackers), you're countering the tactic, AND the champion.

My point being... What are we aiming for here? If X-Magica added difficulty to war, Clarity is taking the difficulty away from a lot of fights, meaning you just have to deal with the placement nodes at hand and a healthpool. I half feel like this is a response to ease off after the initial X Magica backlash... Thoughts?

ahmynuts · July 11

Masquirade said:
Clarity is taking the difficulty away from a lot of fights, meaning you just have to deal with the placement nodes at hand and a healthpool.

Good, i hate AW 💀

Bendy · July 11

Due to complaints for last few seasons i think this is a step in right direction with the tactic as it gives more to players to think who can counter the likes of bullseye than having to run potentially someone that might give deaths so this incentives theory crafting which is nice

Masquirade · July 11

To the people hitting disagree I'd love to know why, let's talk!

Bendy said:
Due to complaints for last few seasons i think this is a step in right direction with the tactic as it gives more to players to think who can counter the likes of bullseye than having to run potentially someone that might give deaths so this incentives theory crafting which is nice

Well Bullseye was a Magic Thief defender if I remember correctly, but counters definitely existed in the format, Kushala and Iceman jump out immediately. I understand that he requires specific counters but War Tactics only come into play at the higher tiers of war where you're likely somewhere in the top 1,500 allies and 45,000 war players by extension - to me, there should be noticeable difficulty increase.

Bendy · July 11

Masquirade said:
To the people hitting disagree I'd love to know why, let's talk!

Bendy said:
Due to complaints for last few seasons i think this is a step in right direction with the tactic as it gives more to players to think who can counter the likes of bullseye than having to run potentially someone that might give deaths so this incentives theory crafting which is nice
Well Bullseye was a Magic Thief defender if I remember correctly, but counters definitely existed in the format, Kushala and Iceman jump out immediately. I understand that he requires specific counters but War Tactics only come into play at the higher tiers of war where you're likely somewhere in the top 1,500 allies and 45,000 war players by extension - to me, there should be noticeable difficulty increase.

Well iceman was banned for a full season so couldnt really use iceman and was niche counters due to indestructibles which if u tried baiting specials was not great

Bendy · July 11

Also will add magic thief was the reason kabam made changes to defense due to the multiple kms and bullseyes and onslaughts due to how bad the tactic was so this season having barley any complaints that ive seen is a plus of a good direction as means it was a really good season all round and people seemed to actually enjoy this tactic

PT_99 · July 12

Kabam dev burner accounts be like 🥴

BeastDad · July 12

It’s about time, last season was straight up terrible.

captain_rogers · July 12

This is the first month with a balanced tactic and aw season this year.

It is not easy. You are thinking clarity is too op because crush and magic theif punished a lot and set a new standard of difficulty in aw.

Ultragamer · July 12

Problem isn’t Clarity it’s House of mirrors being straight garbage

Dab_west · July 12

i used a non tactic champ to take many tactic fights this season so c:

Masquirade · July 12

PT_99 said:
Kabam dev burner accounts be like 🥴

This one made me laugh out loud 😂

captain_rogers said:
This is the first month with a balanced tactic and aw season this year.

It is not easy. You are thinking clarity is too op because crush and magic theif punished a lot and set a new standard of difficulty in aw.

My point is that if you're using a tactic attacker, it almost immediately nullifies house of Mirrors and also nullifies the reason you'd use almost any of the Saga Defenders. Imagine you rank a Serpent up for defence reasons then next tactic you can fate seal him just by landing a parry with a tactic attacker... That's how I feel about the current tactic. It just undermines half the reason for ranking these champs up. Personally it makes sense to me that the high end should be harder, but that's just me apparently 😭

So the consensus appears to be that we don't want anything like X-Magica level of difficulty again, I'm more than happy to be outvoted! 😁

Appreciate your contributions, still welcome to more 👍

Rayven5220 · July 12

I don't play high tier wars , we finished in gold 1 but that said, I still don't even know how the tactic works. I literally bring a couple tactic attackers in and just play.

To say that tactic attackers make the tactic defenders useless is an understatement.
It's a relief not to have to worry much but at the same time, you should have to actually think when you'regoing in, no?

Masquirade · July 12

Rayven5220 said:
I don't play high tier wars , we finished in gold 1 but that said, I still don't even know how the tactic works. I literally bring a couple tactic attackers in and just play.

To say that tactic attackers make the tactic defenders useless is an understatement.
It's a relief not to have to worry much but at the same time, you should have to actually think when you're going in, no?

Eyy maybe I'm not crazy! The fact you're able to do it without much thought is exactly my point, I wholly agree. Magic Thief was difficulty level +1, House of Mirrors is difficulty -1.

Dirty_Dozz · July 12

Ultragamer said:
Problem isn’t Clarity it’s House of mirrors being straight garbage

Yeah, I think that's the bigger issue. Even without Clarity, it's only what 10% chance to evade/autoblock? And then the autoblock also has a small percentage to be a parry? Half the time the tactic isn't necessary to bring anyway, and half the Champs that use it, you tend to bring counters for evade/autoblock anyway.

That being said, I'm not complaining. Crush was torture, and Magic Thief was a bit of a pain at times too.

Bendy · July 12

Masquirade said:

Rayven5220 said:
I don't play high tier wars , we finished in gold 1 but that said, I still don't even know how the tactic works. I literally bring a couple tactic attackers in and just play.

To say that tactic attackers make the tactic defenders useless is an understatement.
It's a relief not to have to worry much but at the same time, you should have to actually think when you're going in, no?
Eyy maybe I'm not crazy! The fact you're able to do it without much thought is exactly my point, I wholly agree. Magic Thief was difficulty level +1, House of Mirrors is difficulty -1.

But thats a good thing all we have gotten over last 4 months excluding the previous season was op tactics without being changed they actually make this good as some fights as someone mentioned dont need to be tactic especially as the evade side has ways around theres ways around auto block too its a good tactic and not one forcing u to run it unlike some xmagica fights or crush where in crush meta silk would just be a pain since the unblockable and the rooting this is a much better unless u want op tactic again

Opinion - Saga defenders are completely nerfed by the current war Tactic.

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