New meta direction is ruining game modes

Mace999xl · September 20

I've been playing the game for 10 years, and have never complained about difficulty until now, because up until now, the difficulty has been fun. Characters like Enchantress on certain AW nodes and Serpent are ruining AW and BG's. It's the same fights that are stacked against you with no amount of skill that can help you. I would like to see them release either Quake or Magik in higher tiers to offset this difficulty spike, as these would help add counters without throwing the game out of balance, right now, the Defender meta has ruined the fun of these nodes for me. These champs are now required criteria for any BG, AW meta to stand a chance. There have been outcries and petitions from content creators about the state and direction this game I have loved and played for a decade has been going in. I hope I am not the only one who feels this as these character designs will cause people to stop playing the game, ultimately hurting their bottom line. I hope with enough people voicing these concerns, Kabam can take a look in the mirror and realize that at the end of the, its supposed to be fun, and while the designs are cool, they are way too much and overtuned.

Wrathh · September 20

Sadly, nothing we can do about it. We either play ball or go, no in-between.

Mace999xl · September 20

The fact you say that you say sadly makes my point, you are unhappy. hell, Helldivers had enough people voice concerns that they reverted changes. If enough people voice a concern, a smart company acts.

Gamer · September 20

Serpent has ben kushale food for me is in a lower tier.

Mace999xl · September 20

but should you need 1-3 specific champs to counter 1 when there are 100's of characters, I'm ok with a champ being anti a class like human torch or nimrod, but even nimrod is not nearly the anti-mutant champ he used to be with him doing nothing to onslaught or dust

BringPopcorn · September 20

This current meta does nothing for them on BGs, and in war you need 1 out of 10 players to bring a counter...

Nemesis_17 · September 20

I really haven’t liked how they’ve been heading in the direction of making defenders rpg asks instead of skill asks. Enchantress is sort of a step in the right direction but that’s only if there’s no nodes like heavy hitter that make her borderline unfair. I understand not every defender will be a pure skill ask but I don’t feel that any defender should be 100% rpg and 0% skill or anywhere even close to that.

This is why I don’t like how serpent and bullseye are designed, there’s next to no skill reward when fighting either of them. Bullseye at least has a good amount of counters, but serpent has barely any. To me a defender like photon has a good mix of requiring skill and rpg. Drafting a counter will help a lot but your skill can be used to avoid block damage by sidestepping, and you can push her into pure light at strategic times. At least against her it feels like you actually have some semblance of control over the fight, serpent and bullseye don’t do the same.

We’ve seen a shift of difficulty going from nodes to defenders, which is scary because Kabam now has to be very careful with the nodes they use. And whenever they aren’t we run into completely bs situations like serpent with 20s death immunity or unblockable specials. Its been a step in the wrong direction, but there’s still lots of time to course correct.

Ayden_noah1 · September 20

I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for it but I do like tougher defenders like Serpent and Enchantress. I don't mind having a challenge once in a while. I don't want everything to be a a cake walk. I might not win against them but it gives me a challenge to look forward too. Mine you I don't play high tier wars so I don't know what those nodes will do for Enchantres. From what I watch on Youtube in High Tier wars, there are always players dedicated to certain paths and defenders with the right counters so they aren't hurting. It would be bad if they just introduce these kinds of defenders but once in a while is ok with me. Again this is a personal opinion.

Buttehrs · September 20

Mace999xl said:
but should you need 1-3 specific champs to counter 1 when there are 100's of characters, I'm ok with a champ being anti a class like human torch or nimrod, but even nimrod is not nearly the anti-mutant champ he used to be with him doing nothing to onslaught or dust

The game has ALWAYS been this way. From the beginning only 1 or 2 champs could counter Magik. Serpent, onslaught etc will get more counters. Give it time.

Wicket329 · September 20

Was this post just a stealth Magik/Quake request

Mace999xl · September 20

I think that unblockable, unevadable, undexable, unparryable is just being way too overused nowadays, give one of those, not all. It makes it unenjoyable and on the right nodes unplayable

Ayden_noah1 · September 20

Wicket329 said:
Was this post just a stealth Magik/Quake request

Seems like you hit the nail in the coffin. Very clever disguise of a Magik and Quake request but one Summoner wasn't fooled. Good catch.

Nemesis_17 · September 20

Ayden_noah1 said:
I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for it but I do like tougher defenders like Serpent and Enchantress. I don't mind having a challenge once in a while. I don't want everything to be a a cake walk. I might not win against them but it gives me a challenge to look forward too. Mine you I don't play high tier wars so I don't know what those nodes will do for Enchantres. From what I watch on Youtube in High Tier wars, there are always players dedicated to certain paths and defenders with the right counters so they aren't hurting. It would be bad if they just introduce these kinds of defenders but once in a while is ok with me. Again this is a personal opinion.

I see what you’re saying, but I think a lot of people justify bs mechanics under the guise of “it’s challenging and challenge is good.” If there was a node that killed you instantly that would technically be a challenge, but you can see from that why something being challenging doesn’t make it inherently good. We have plenty of good challenge in the game, I think Onslaught, kindred and photon are great examples of fair, well designed challenge. Bullseye and serpent are not. They are filled with bs mechanics that allow no room for skill expression. That’s not something this game needs more of.

New meta direction is ruining game modes

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