Maybe it is with the last part, but regardless this was handled incorrectly with kabam.
What would be fairer than just giving them a void 5* is just giving them the featured crystal to have a 2nd chance and keep sentry.
I don't see how that's "fairer." The intent is to rectify the problem that if someone opened the crystal believing the featured champion within in it was Void, and they actually rolled the featured table and got Sentry, then the net result was that they got the wrong champion - wrong as in "not the champion the developers intended to be in the crystal offered at that time." The announced solution grants them the champion they believed they would get AND the champion the developers intended them to get. Just giving them another shot at it is not in any way addressing the error.
No matter what they do, someone will believe they did the wrong thing, literally no matter what they do. If I was them, it becomes a question of doing what they think is fair, and accepting the complaints from the people who believe that choice wasn't fair. What they announced falls within the parameters of what I believe is fair in this situation, and it also falls within the parameters of offending the sensibilities of an acceptable number of players.
We can all disagree about what the *absolute best* solution would be. But what should not be remotely debatable is the notion that what Kabam should do should be what they think is fair, what a majority of players believe is fair, and what will offend the least number of players, and in a manner that will disrupt the game the least given all of those other requirements. Their solution isn't the one everyone will agree with, but it does meet all of those requirements.
By that standard, your suggested solution is far less palatable.
The only two solutions the game team should have discussed should have been:
A. Don't change anything. The crystal on sale stated a chance at sentry for 15k units and that is exactly what summoners got. There is no deception in that. Some people noticed and held off, others did not. That is 100% their fault, and my own fault as I also did it. People will complain but this is objectively fair.
B. Take back everyone's spins and refund the shards used. This gives everyone the ability to purchase the actual intended crystal and like all other feature crystals the results are what you get. Those that pulled great champs will complain, but again this is objectively fair.
Either of these two solutions is objectively fair. What kabam went with created a lot more problems than it solved because it created more variables. "What if I would have only spun one and pulled void, I wouldn't have spun anymore." "What if I would have spun a feature on the actual void crystal." Either solution would have addressed all problems.
Hey guys, we're looking into this right now. Will have it fixed ASAP.
What about the Singularity crystals, are those not affected as well? I pulled Sentry multiple times and there were several spins where I let spin out and never see a Void but I saw plenty of sentry
What is shown in the reel is irrelevant as spinning is no different than popping it. It was already stated the singularity crystals were not affected.
Well it is their business and they certainly have the right to run it however they see fit and do things as they feel is "fair". Not sure where you are grabbing this idea that the majority of players are ok with.
I didn't open one of these crystals. I am not upset that about not opening or opening and not getting on this bandwagon with others getting a void. But there is a problem that by kabam doing this it does give those players an edge over others players. 2 champs for the price of 1.
Yes no matter what kabam does ppl will be upset. U think most of the community would care if kabam didn't give them void and left them with just sentry? Only the ones that missed out on void would care and that is a small %.
@Kabam Miike u think this is fair ? No is not! I don't care that was the same chances and bla bla, i want to have that chance when Void is in that crystal not Sentry!
Maybe it is with the last part, but regardless this was handled incorrectly with kabam.
What would be fairer than just giving them a void 5* is just giving them the featured crystal to have a 2nd chance and keep sentry.
I don't see how that's "fairer." The intent is to rectify the problem that if someone opened the crystal believing the featured champion within in it was Void, and they actually rolled the featured table and got Sentry, then the net result was that they got the wrong champion - wrong as in "not the champion the developers intended to be in the crystal offered at that time." The announced solution grants them the champion they believed they would get AND the champion the developers intended them to get. Just giving them another shot at it is not in any way addressing the error.
No matter what they do, someone will believe they did the wrong thing, literally no matter what they do. If I was them, it becomes a question of doing what they think is fair, and accepting the complaints from the people who believe that choice wasn't fair. What they announced falls within the parameters of what I believe is fair in this situation, and it also falls within the parameters of offending the sensibilities of an acceptable number of players.
We can all disagree about what the *absolute best* solution would be. But what should not be remotely debatable is the notion that what Kabam should do should be what they think is fair, what a majority of players believe is fair, and what will offend the least number of players, and in a manner that will disrupt the game the least given all of those other requirements. Their solution isn't the one everyone will agree with, but it does meet all of those requirements.
By that standard, your suggested solution is far less palatable.
The only two solutions the game team should have discussed should have been:
A. Don't change anything. The crystal on sale stated a chance at sentry for 15k units and that is exactly what summoners got. There is no deception in that. Some people noticed and held off, others did not. That is 100% their fault, and my own fault as I also did it. People will complain but this is objectively fair.
B. Take back everyone's spins and refund the shards used. This gives everyone the ability to purchase the actual intended crystal and like all other feature crystals the results are what you get. Those that pulled great champs will complain, but again this is objectively fair.
Either of these two solutions is objectively fair. What kabam went with created a lot more problems than it solved because it created more variables. "What if I would have only spun one and pulled void, I wouldn't have spun anymore." "What if I would have spun a feature on the actual void crystal." Either solution would have addressed all problems.
I don't find either solution remotely fair. I find the first one unethical. I find the second one unreasonable. I don't expect to convince you of either of those things. But to claim either solution "objectively" fair you would be required to provide objective proof of their fairness that doesn't rely on a subjective opinion. That would be difficult to do, because "fairness" doesn't have a definition with an objective unambiguous test criteria.
Fairness depends on consensus expectations. There's no logical way to prove fairness without first specifying what those consensus expectations are, and they are arbitrary and subjective. I can't say your options are "objectively unfair." I can definitely state that were I in charge I would have rejected both options immediately by fiat. Doing nothing would not be an option, end of discussion. Reverting the crystal openings would be doing something that would generate the most anger in the community of all possible options *except* doing nothing, without an unambiguously objective requirement to do so, which would be unacceptable to me. I would then consider discussion on all possible subjectively fair options designed to rectify our error.
I don't say that lightly. I'm generally a consensus builder professionally and I know that's how MMO dev teams tend to work as well. Everything is better if everyone has their say, and the answer is driven by consensus agreement. But in the words of Captain Kirk: not with my ship you don't.
Yes no matter what kabam does ppl will be upset. U think most of the community would care if kabam didn't give them void and left them with just sentry? Only the ones that missed out on void would care and that is a small %.
I didn't open one of those crystals, and I would care. I don't have to experience a problem to care about it being addressed or care about the players experiencing it. In fact most of the problems I discuss, spend time testing, or expend time researching and analyzing are issues I'm personally not seeing any negative impact from at the time, but nevertheless have an interest in seeing addressed by Kabam.
So i know this guy that opened 10x void crystal (the wrong ones, with sentry as featured champ) and pulled 4 times sentry, and he already had him duped
So, now he have sentry sig180 (prestige boost) he got more than 1k 6 star shards
He is keeping the prestige boost, the 6* shards
Not enough, award him with 4x Void, so void will be sig60 and not enough 275x3 more 6 star shards
Seems pretty fair
Come on, are we joking or what?
Hey guys, we're looking into this right now. Will have it fixed ASAP.
What about the Singularity crystals, are those not affected as well? I pulled Sentry multiple times and there were several spins where I let spin out and never see a Void but I saw plenty of sentry
What is shown in the reel is irrelevant as spinning is no different than popping it. It was already stated the singularity crystals were not affected.
Interesting, well I didn’t feel like reading through 8 pages of complaints and responses. I’m not upset nor have a problem it is what it is, I come to expect screw ups with this game as of late. Just wanted to ask a fairly legitimate question considering ALL the issues lately....thanks for response though.
So i know this guy that opened 10x void crystal (the wrong ones, with sentry as featured champ) and pulled 4 times sentry, and he already had him duped
So, now he have sentry sig180 (prestige boost) he got more than 1k 6 star shards
He is keeping the prestige boost, the 6* shards
Not enough, award him with 4x Void, so void will be sig60 and not enough 275x3 more 6 star shards
Seems pretty fair
Come on, are we joking or what?
Wow that is gonna be ridiculous and ppl still think kabam is doing the right thing. So dumb.
If ppl choose not to read, then it is their fault.
So i know this guy that opened 10x void crystal (the wrong ones, with sentry as featured champ) and pulled 4 times sentry, and he already had him duped
So, now he have sentry sig180 (prestige boost) he got more than 1k 6 star shards
He is keeping the prestige boost, the 6* shards
Not enough, award him with 4x Void, so void will be sig60 and not enough 275x3 more 6 star shards
Seems pretty fair
Come on, are we joking or what?
This is such BS. Just return all the shards and let them go for another run if they feel like it
What is the logic in isolating this to only ones who got sentry
Everyone opened the crystal so either give it to all or retun the shards
This was the best solution, everyone with alternative solutions your ideas are terrible and would have more people angry than this solution, the odds of pulling a 4* featured or a 5* featured from the uncollected version are less than 1/100, to make the ones that fluked the featured win, spin again means they now have had less than 1/10000 chance to end up with the void they thought they were spinning for, and yes sInce the mail did say void was in the sentry crystal that clearly is a case for false advertising and kabam should not disgruntle that customer base. thanks kabam for going the extra mile and hooking up those people, They only end up with an extra garbage champ, all you people complaining cos your jealous of that need to check your heads,
How in the world is it fair that some people receiving 2 Champs out of one Crystal and some don't? You see I pulled Psylocke out of one of these crystals, and don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about that, I know the odds of pulling a featured Champ, but why does anybody who pulled Sentry, which would be a featured Champ in his own right, get rewarded with just another featured Champ without getting sentry taken away from them. Of course Sentry is a pretty crappy champion, but anyway it is unfair that some players spend 15k shards to receive one champion and some received another champion for free, that is not fair and you can't argue with that.
Therefore like I said... either they take away those sentrys and replace them with voids or they hand out at least a basic 5* Hero Crystal to those who hadn't the luck of pulling sentry, so everyone gets 2 Champs out of 15k shards... that would be fair
Therefore like I said... either they take away those sentrys and replace them with voids or they hand out at least a basic 5* Hero Crystal to those who hadn't the luck of pulling sentry, so everyone gets 2 Champs out of 15k shards... that would be fair
That would be massively unfair. What Kabam did is the fair one
How would that be "massively unfair"? Some getting 2 Champs out of 15k shards and the rest getting just one.... that is massively unfair.... fact.
Therefore like I said... either they take away those sentrys and replace them with voids or they hand out at least a basic 5* Hero Crystal to those who hadn't the luck of pulling sentry, so everyone gets 2 Champs out of 15k shards... that would be fair
That would be massively unfair. What Kabam did is the fair one
How would that be "massively unfair"? Some getting 2 Champs out of 15k shards and the rest getting just one.... that is massively unfair.... fact.
NO, it's not. You got exactly what you "paid" for, nothing more, nothing less. You were not short changed at all, completely fair
The ones that suffered the accidental "false advertising" by Kabam, did NOT get what they paid for. They were short-changed. So Kabam fixed this for them and offered a little compensation as an apology. The community is asking for compo ALL the time. This time it was justified, and because you don't get it you think that is unfair???
Like I said, you got every single thing that you paid for, so you do not need any compensation
I know that I've got exactly what I paid for and I can live with that just fine. But let me put it this way... some went for this Crystal and kabam said "hey it was the wrong crystal but either way you didnt pulled a featured Champ at all, so it doesn't make any difference" on the other hand some went for the wrong crystals and kabam said "hey it was the wrong Crystal, in some way it was your fault but you know what? Since you pulled the featured Champ, you can keep it and get another one just for free, that would give you a slight advantage in arena and you got all you need to use the sentry/void synergy in full expanse in aw defense or anywhere else "
For me personally it's fine what I've got... one champion out of one Crystal, but I'm not fine that some get two champions out of one Crystal even though they went for the exact same Crystal, they've got more than what they paid for. So if kabam would take these sentrys back and hand them a void I could totally live with that, but let them keep it and gift them yet a second champ for free while telling anyone else "it's your fault, learn to live with that"
I mean some pulled Sentry twice or even more so they don't just got an awakened sentry they will also get a fully awakened void, so if kabam don't want to take away all those sentrys it would only be fair to hand all the other ones who went for the wrong crystal just one basic 5* Hero Crystal, and that's too much to ask for
Worst solution really. Give me back my 15k shard and take back Iron man. I dont mind if i will receive him again, but i want my shards back to open right cristal. It was your fault KABAM, not ours.
Fairness is a "quid pro quo" scenario. Fairness would have been a situation where they replaced the Sentry with Void. Keeping in mind that only those who actually pulled the Featured would have been affected. Doesn't matter what Champ is the Featured because the current RNG drops it at a certain rate. If it wasn't going to drop, it wasn't going to drop regardless of the mixup. However, as was mentioned, it's more difficult to discern and replace, so I suspect they opted for this solution as a bit of a compensation to those who were affected. I have no issues with it. The purpose of compensation is to amend the result.
I get your point, and up until some point I do agree , all I say is that every player should receive the same amount of champions. So if some players get a second, everyone should. I'm not asking for void, a second featured Crystal I'm not even asking for a refund, even if I get a Luke cage, carnage, she hulk or iron patriot, that would be fine with me... just the same amount
If everyone gets a second champ I'll be really pissed for not opening the crystal when I noticed it was the wrong one.
The current solution might not totally be fair, but it's the fairest option to the most people. Any other solution would be even more unfair to even more players.
So we all can agree to disagree. Some think it is fair and some don't. Bottom line here is kabam should be more careful as well as the players in the game. We know Kabam's track record with releasing content or items that are not ready. If this happens again (kabam releasing a crystal as not intended), and ppl open another crystal and not read before opening in it then shame on them. They get what they deserve.
Weird logic there hubris. You are saying only the folks who purchased the crystal and pulled sentry suffered from false advertising, even though the advertising was the same for the folks who purchased the crystal and didn't pull sentry? All the while the crystal on offer supposedly had a 0% chance of the void for 100% of the purchasers.
Ridiculous solution and totally absurb, i would like my shards back and if i pull kamala khan in the right crystal i am ok with it, but not in the wrong crystal. Kabam please revisit the solution and make it right for those bought the right crystal and those who bought the wrong one
This was my reply to supports response about the fix...
No. That’s not how it works. You guys placed the wrong crystal in the store. Just bc they are both feature crystals does not mean it would have been the same outcome. That doesn’t make any sense. Its RNG and it isn’t based on time. If I opened a sentry crystal the same exact time as I opened a Void crystal I would get two different champions not the same one. It’s two different variables which would have had two different outcomes. I need to speak to a higher person up the ladder. This is ridiculous and I will not let this go. I want my hard earned 15k 5* shards back so I can buy the crystal that you guys were supposed to have in the store. It is your mistake and this is not an adequate fix. I need to speak with a supervisor or manager.
I pulled kingpin. I just noticed you were very opinionated on this matter and wouldnt want you to stop now as I think you deserve a chance to defend your reasoning. Do you believe there was even a mistake made by kabam?
@Hubris_hater I pulled Phoenix. Great for prestige, but I wanted my shot at void. I got a Science 5* 3 to 4 from act 5. I still would have said something even if I pulled one of those champs.
@Hubris_hater you obviously haven’t followed through with tickets to support before. That is the only way to get an actual response and solution from them. It normally takes about 5 or 6 different messages.
@Hubris_hater I want you to assure you I'm not trying to be combative in any way but as I said I had read your arguments already and understand those arguments. But they are predicated on the fact that you believe kabam actually made a mistake and owes even 1 person compensation. If you could humor me, why do you believe there needs to be compensation when a void will be showing up in their mail box for every sentry that was pulled?
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The only two solutions the game team should have discussed should have been:
A. Don't change anything. The crystal on sale stated a chance at sentry for 15k units and that is exactly what summoners got. There is no deception in that. Some people noticed and held off, others did not. That is 100% their fault, and my own fault as I also did it. People will complain but this is objectively fair.
B. Take back everyone's spins and refund the shards used. This gives everyone the ability to purchase the actual intended crystal and like all other feature crystals the results are what you get. Those that pulled great champs will complain, but again this is objectively fair.
Either of these two solutions is objectively fair. What kabam went with created a lot more problems than it solved because it created more variables. "What if I would have only spun one and pulled void, I wouldn't have spun anymore." "What if I would have spun a feature on the actual void crystal." Either solution would have addressed all problems.
What is shown in the reel is irrelevant as spinning is no different than popping it. It was already stated the singularity crystals were not affected.
I didn't open one of these crystals. I am not upset that about not opening or opening and not getting on this bandwagon with others getting a void. But there is a problem that by kabam doing this it does give those players an edge over others players. 2 champs for the price of 1.
Yes no matter what kabam does ppl will be upset. U think most of the community would care if kabam didn't give them void and left them with just sentry? Only the ones that missed out on void would care and that is a small %.
I don't find either solution remotely fair. I find the first one unethical. I find the second one unreasonable. I don't expect to convince you of either of those things. But to claim either solution "objectively" fair you would be required to provide objective proof of their fairness that doesn't rely on a subjective opinion. That would be difficult to do, because "fairness" doesn't have a definition with an objective unambiguous test criteria.
Fairness depends on consensus expectations. There's no logical way to prove fairness without first specifying what those consensus expectations are, and they are arbitrary and subjective. I can't say your options are "objectively unfair." I can definitely state that were I in charge I would have rejected both options immediately by fiat. Doing nothing would not be an option, end of discussion. Reverting the crystal openings would be doing something that would generate the most anger in the community of all possible options *except* doing nothing, without an unambiguously objective requirement to do so, which would be unacceptable to me. I would then consider discussion on all possible subjectively fair options designed to rectify our error.
I don't say that lightly. I'm generally a consensus builder professionally and I know that's how MMO dev teams tend to work as well. Everything is better if everyone has their say, and the answer is driven by consensus agreement. But in the words of Captain Kirk: not with my ship you don't.
I didn't open one of those crystals, and I would care. I don't have to experience a problem to care about it being addressed or care about the players experiencing it. In fact most of the problems I discuss, spend time testing, or expend time researching and analyzing are issues I'm personally not seeing any negative impact from at the time, but nevertheless have an interest in seeing addressed by Kabam.
So, now he have sentry sig180 (prestige boost) he got more than 1k 6 star shards
He is keeping the prestige boost, the 6* shards
Not enough, award him with 4x Void, so void will be sig60 and not enough 275x3 more 6 star shards
Seems pretty fair
Come on, are we joking or what?
Interesting, well I didn’t feel like reading through 8 pages of complaints and responses. I’m not upset nor have a problem it is what it is, I come to expect screw ups with this game as of late. Just wanted to ask a fairly legitimate question considering ALL the issues lately....thanks for response though.
Wow that is gonna be ridiculous and ppl still think kabam is doing the right thing. So dumb.
If ppl choose not to read, then it is their fault.
In game name of this individual?
What is the logic in isolating this to only ones who got sentry
Everyone opened the crystal so either give it to all or retun the shards
How would that be "massively unfair"? Some getting 2 Champs out of 15k shards and the rest getting just one.... that is massively unfair.... fact.
I know that I've got exactly what I paid for and I can live with that just fine. But let me put it this way... some went for this Crystal and kabam said "hey it was the wrong crystal but either way you didnt pulled a featured Champ at all, so it doesn't make any difference" on the other hand some went for the wrong crystals and kabam said "hey it was the wrong Crystal, in some way it was your fault but you know what? Since you pulled the featured Champ, you can keep it and get another one just for free, that would give you a slight advantage in arena and you got all you need to use the sentry/void synergy in full expanse in aw defense or anywhere else "
For me personally it's fine what I've got... one champion out of one Crystal, but I'm not fine that some get two champions out of one Crystal even though they went for the exact same Crystal, they've got more than what they paid for. So if kabam would take these sentrys back and hand them a void I could totally live with that, but let them keep it and gift them yet a second champ for free while telling anyone else "it's your fault, learn to live with that"
I mean some pulled Sentry twice or even more so they don't just got an awakened sentry they will also get a fully awakened void, so if kabam don't want to take away all those sentrys it would only be fair to hand all the other ones who went for the wrong crystal just one basic 5* Hero Crystal, and that's too much to ask for
The current solution might not totally be fair, but it's the fairest option to the most people. Any other solution would be even more unfair to even more players.
This was my reply to supports response about the fix...
No. That’s not how it works. You guys placed the wrong crystal in the store. Just bc they are both feature crystals does not mean it would have been the same outcome. That doesn’t make any sense. Its RNG and it isn’t based on time. If I opened a sentry crystal the same exact time as I opened a Void crystal I would get two different champions not the same one. It’s two different variables which would have had two different outcomes. I need to speak to a higher person up the ladder. This is ridiculous and I will not let this go. I want my hard earned 15k 5* shards back so I can buy the crystal that you guys were supposed to have in the store. It is your mistake and this is not an adequate fix. I need to speak with a supervisor or manager.