Is it cheating?

Today i played a GC meta Battlegrounds game and lost. This was the first round, what are the odds that this person was cheating?
(My Yelena is rank 4 and this is the safeguard meta).

Comments

Furrymoosen

You should cross out the name of the player at question for cheating, per the forums rules.

What do the fight stats look like? Sunspot could generally take Yelena and be fine, I'm just questioning the time with safeguard. Fight stats would help.

GroundedWisdom

One of the things that bypasses Safeguard is multiple DoT, so it MIGHT be possible. His L2 is pretty nasty. Of course, I have no idea. When in doubt, send a report. They don't ding people for playing legit

Ironmark48

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889433#Comment_2889433

Here they are:

Furrymoosen

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889456#Comment_2889456

It's a bit of a tough one, but seems unlikely. His DoT is never a significant amount of damage, and 29 hits and 29 seconds isn't going to cut it getting through safe guard, especially considering only 11% of the damage is from DoT. The no damage taken doesn't mean much because he has perfect block as long as there's an incinerate on the opponent. Best to report just in case. Kabam will be able to easily tell if they're cheating.

MakaveliThizzle

Without question.

But Kabam plants many modders and bots into their own BG's.

His combo was broken, so he was hit. Yet no damage taken.

Sunspot's damage, which looks to be that of an unduped R1, wouldn't take down an R2 Yelena in BG's in 29 seconds, much less an R4 during this meta.

I'd say hit the report button. But you'll just see him again next season. And the season after…

Furrymoosen

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889467#Comment_2889467

Yes, most likely a cheater, but not for the reasons you cited.

You have nothing to prove that Kabam plants modders and bots in the game. Baseless and pointless to the conversation at hand.

Combos in BGs have been bugged since the beginning. They are unreliable as evidence in any direction.

Safeguard is one of the nodes, so his damage is capped. The damage doesn't indicate anything about his rank.

O_Deadpool_O

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889433#Comment_2889433

Can you send a link to the rule that requires crossing out the name?

Furrymoosen

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889476#Comment_2889476

Not gonna dig for where Kabam has expanded on this and stated specifically that names should be removed from posts making accusations of cheating. You can look that up for yourself if you want. But it is generally known (at least by those who have been here for some time) and has been consistently confirmed (generally through the removal of those images containing names) that this is the rule for such posts.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/54/forum-rules-please-read-prior-to-posting

MakaveliThizzle

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889472#Comment_2889472

I don't like your snippy attitude.

All reasons cited are perfect. Go replicate it in a practice round. I tried three times with my R1 Sunspot vs. my R3 Yelena. Impossible in both theory and practice - with a smaller match gap, without the meta.

You can't prove anything with Kabam. You can't prove Spiderwoman's nerf was offensive, when they said the exact opposite, either, but we know it was. Because when you ask for proof in writing, they suspend your support account. However, I do know that I face the same modders, season after season. Typically at point and milestone thresholds, foreshadowing the even-more typical "lose 5, win 5" cycle we're all accustomed to.

Everything in this game is unreliable. And volatile. Yet you wish to be cautionary about a perfect score in 29 seconds vs. Yelena. Safeguard being the meta only serves as more credence.

Being unduped is a good indicator of rank. As is the DOT.

Furrymoosen

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889482#Comment_2889482

Talk about being snippy...I don't even know what you're trying to say at this point. You don't know the ranks of either champion because you literally don't know, so you're going on about something you don't have the information to form the definitives you're after.

With the information OP has provided, it is most likely that this is a cheater. No one is saying they're not cheating. But you're adding things to the conversation that have nothing to do with it and injecting even more based on information that you simply don't have. Your ability to replicate a fight without specific information or the nodes isn't helpful either because it isn't a true replication. At the end of the day, this player needs to be reported for Kabam to review and most likely ban.

MakaveliThizzle

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889485#Comment_2889485

Furry, you ok?

Did you feel some inadequacy about your initial “benefit-of-the-doubt” comment, and are now attempting to deflect some unresolved insecurity about your BG prowess due to my own comment?

Is this something we should make a post about?

I’ll inject whatever I wish. This is a forum, not a court of law. When the same modders appear, season after season, that’s a perfect time to regale about my own experiences with cheats. Particularly when these “patterns” seem to be the norm.

For instance, Ironmark, keep the photo of the cheat’s name, like I do. And when next season starts, look them up. Note as to whether they were or were not banned. And when you’re at 93 points, shooting for the 100 point radiance milestone, watch carefully as to who you’re confronted with in your next match.

O_Deadpool_O

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889479#Comment_2889479

Thank you for the explanation. I read this rule before and did not get it and even now I do not see the requirement for crossing out the name.

Beerus2Strong

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889482#Comment_2889482

Point is you're making baseless accusations here. You can't prove that Kabam plants cheaters in BGs. The hell is wrong with some of you?

So easy to pointing fingers the second your emotions are shaken. Makes you feel better I suppose but projecting your frustrations is L move. 🚮

YodaKaj

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889467#Comment_2889467

what do you mean Kabam plants them? Why?

MakaveliThizzle

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2890217#Comment_2890217

There are no baseless accusations.

They no longer ban cheats. They have taken no steps to return points to players who encounter cheats. Unless, that is, you’ve signed an NDA with them to advertise their product.

Right here, we have an obvious cheat, who has been reported in-game and in forums. You can look for yourselves and see if he has been banned.

As to why they do that, I think three big reasons.

“Game Economy.”
To obtain the seasonal results they want.
This is a company that has proven, time and again, they cannot be trusted. They have clawed every unit, potion, dime, and cent from us that they can with their broken AI. Equally so, they hate paying out - as it impacts their bottom line. And they know if they stall long enough, as they are doing with the compensation rewards, people with urgency will pay for resources for immediate availability.

Any reasonable entity, one that takes 2 days to calculate the results of their competition, would also use that time to ensure fairness in results and apply their ToS to obvious cheaters.

They don’t.

And when considering why, alongside this company’s reputation, one can only come to one conclusion as to why.

Beerus2Strong

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2890238#Comment_2890238

Yeah I'm not reading through any of that hogwash. Go take your meds and cool off!

If you don't have any definitive proof to what you're saying it then equates to baseless accusation.

MakaveliThizzle

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2890243#Comment_2890243

If you aren’t going to read it, what are you here for?

But more importantly, at what point do three paragraphs become difficult for you to absorb?

You don’t have to prove anything with Kabam at this point, and you can’t. Without a subpoena, that is. It’s a lazy argument, and shortcut to thinking.

It’s like the Spider Woman nerf. No one can actually prove the nerf is offensive, for we don’t have access to these slippery eels and their internal documents. But we don’t need Kabam’s memorandum on the subject to draw the true intent.

There are some significant issues with the game mode. Issues that should lead any person to question the veracity and legitimacy of how it functions, how it is regulated, and how the final results are concluded.

Especially when the company running it is demanding $1,000.00 quarterly from participants to compete. That, or to sign an NDA and advertise their product on streams.

YodaKaj

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2889467#Comment_2889467

I like this conspiracy theory. PLanting modders and bots… hhmmmm

ZachMonster

I report everyone win or lose so....

Eff you BGs

MakaveliThizzle

I report - win or lose - because there is a major malfunction virtually every match. So, I report just about every match.

I submit an actual support ticket when I am fairly positive I have encountered a cheat.

MakaveliThizzle

And the modder's account is still active.

After the conclusion of the season, after Kabam's reward calculations. Nearly three days later, in fact.

If Kabam refuses to enforce their own TOS, there is no other conclusion to draw than Kabam plants these modder accounts.