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Is BG participation really that bad?

spiderknight616

I just got into GC and won a match, at 17 points I'm all the way up in Gamma II with 3 days to go in the season. This was the case last time too. Has participation dropped that much?

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NoahSansman

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949592#Comment_2949592

What I meant was the mode is dying, and if nobody is playing it, they're losing money. So they have a responsibility to ignore all the whining and find the plenty of real constructive criticism that is out there to incorporate it.

BringPopcorn

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949617#Comment_2949617

Part of the fun and engagement is the reward. If the rewards are bad and outdated what is the point?.

The same defender same attacker issue could be solved with imaginative nodes, but their imagination doesn't go further than nuke metas.

So yeah boring bad metas + bad rewards = a lot less engagement.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949636#Comment_2949636

I 100% agree with the rewards part, the radiance store is extremely outdated. I won't argue there.

What I'm arguing is the second part. We're currently stuck in a loop of terrible metas because some champs are very strong these days, specifically defenders. In previous years metas could be anything they wanted them to be because there were hardly any restrictions when it came to designing nodes, and fewer things to keep in mind when designing metas because we didn't have that many defenders with ten bs nodes built into their kits. These days all it takes is a node or two and you create a nasty ass defender combo and make them a nearly impenetrable wall of steel. The **** metas are the byproduct of the **** defender design they've had for the past two years, and the draft luck by itself isn't the problem it's the **** direction they took the game in after Serpent (aka a **** card game), we as a community should've never let that one slide.

Your comment made it sound like you were downplaying some complaints and making it sound like they were pure skill issue (if you didn't mean it that way then ignore lol) when, at least mine, isn't really skill issue it's more of a complaint about design because that's what has driven me away from the game mode quite a bit. I'm sick of fighting the same defenders with the same damn attackers over and over again. I can see why some of the others are a skill issue and I agree, but when people talk about draft luck being trash it isn't really a skill issue, it's just genuinely annoying that almost everything in BGs these days requires a hard counter to actually win rounds. This isn't what BGs were about when the game mode first released.

GroundedWisdom

People are losing incentive for a number of reasons. First of all, the monotony of it. You go as high as you can in GC, start over in VT, and either wait your time out until the big fish push up, or bang your head on the wall when they take their time, or sit it out and ascend the next Season. Without some kind of extra incentive aside from the usual Rewards (because people are now accustomed to the special events), it's not motivation enough. Unfortunately I think it will be less so with Essentia. At least until people get more excited about it.

Then you have the Nodes and growing Champion strengths. It's getting harder and harder to advance. More with the recent batch of R5s. Making it harder with the same Rewards makes people even less enchanted with it.

I suspect it's also related to the fact that it's the playground of the elite. The people who benefit the most (usually the same people every Season) are the ones most engaged, and the majority of people play to where they Rank every Season and settle for that.

Cheating also sucks the fun out of it, but they do the best they can. You can't stop someone before they do it, and I'd say most of what people suspect isn't cheating at all, but it exists.

I think there needs to be some adjustments to account for how strong Champs are now, as well as the progress effects of people who just don't want to push through. The end result is a system that won't move for anyone.

BringPopcorn

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949650#Comment_2949650

I am not downplaying all legit complaints. I am downplaying people who tag along with complaints that are not even related.

I will give you an example, If you or I believe the rewards and store are bad for time, effort and monotony. A person coming in saying the typical "I just got Valiant I got 3 7R4s matchmaking is bad wah wah wahhh" makes our point moot. You know why? They won't change the matchmaking system and the rewards for that other person are actually good, they are not good for us but for someone with a low roster its actually good.

O_Deadpool_O

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949145#Comment_2949145

The **** metas Kabam makes should not be mixed with appreciations to players who invest their time into the game mode and the game itself.

O_Deadpool_O

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949584#Comment_2949584

The problem is wide and you try to narrow it down to only a few topics that matter to you only. How about you putting your own agenda into the topic? The game mode is for everyone, not just for you. Each person can have their own understanding of what drives them into the game mode.

You are the most toxic person on forums I have ever seen.

Flavyjay

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949584#Comment_2949584

You do realize BG is where Radiance is right? Remind me again who needs radiance more 🤔 oh right!!! Smaller accounts 😑 most of the bigger accounts are chasing things like T7 basic and T5A that are basically overpriced and saller account won't even put that into consideration except they need a small amount of it... My point is your opinion is way too narrow minded... If there were ways to grind rank up resources outside of BGs you will not see those smaller accounts there

ahmynuts

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949654#Comment_2949654

Rare GW good take

BringPopcorn

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949694#Comment_2949694

Rofl you mean the smaller accounts that probably buy deathless pieces or magik tokens? That is not really growing an account is it? Radiance is in AW, AQ, NR, Alliance Colosseum. You earn more radiance by increase prestige insude a stronger alliance not by barely making it to GC

Flavyjay

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949750#Comment_2949750

Yeah compare the radiance you get from other game modes vs BGs... You may say why don't they get into a big alliance well they can't cause their account is small? Honestly these things wouldn't have been a problem if there were other ways to get rank up resources, plus you can't even control the radiance you get from the other modes

BringPopcorn

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949775#Comment_2949775

So small accounts complain about participating in the most competitive part of the game?... Every game mode i listed has a similar amount of Radiance in a month/season time frame. Unless you place high in BGs, sorry if I don't believe a small account can place higher than Gamma or Arcane...

Sure they have small rosters and their priority is BGs?... How about pushing all the other content instead of dumbing down BGs to this point we are right now? But this same people also will use the arguments of "Bero and Andy quit"... Bero quit cause they won't let him into the CCP, Andy doesn't like the Ascension system... But its used for BG GC low participation? Rofl

I am not narrow-minded, people use a broad spectrum of unrelated excuses.

GroundedWisdom

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949724#Comment_2949724

Thanks (?)

NoahSansman

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949775#Comment_2949775

You don't need BGs to grow your account. There ARE other ways to get rank up resources.

Flavyjay

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949862#Comment_2949862

Matter of fact I do lol I have done every endgame and I'm still at 15 R4 and yes I'm Elder, although I have taken multiple breaks so tell me where else can I farm T3A, T6B, T4A and T7B ? Consistently

NoahSansman

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949939#Comment_2949939

The super daily event, daily quests, essentia, and the EQ. Your breaks are why you're behind. Daily play is heavily rewarded in this game.

SpyderFam

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2949654#Comment_2949654

Life is unfair. This is Kabam's game and if you want the top prizes you have to improve your skills or accept things as they are and stop complaining.

Sincerely,

GroundedWisdom