GOLD. Is it really an issue?

Gold in this game is the equivalent of water to a pool. You need it or else it's not a pool to swim in.

Keep starving of us gold and it's no longer a game. It's supposed to be Marvel Contest of Champions, not Gold Rush, Marvel Contest of Savings, or Saving Gold For Dummies.

This is why I keep saying that his community is rotten and toxic to it's core. Despite the obvious need for more gold, you have a ton of people against it when we should be all for it.

Rap

It is interesting. I have no doubt there is a gold shortage and that it hurts. Having your progress stalled out because of poor planning on the part of Kabam is frustrating. But straight up this is what those outside of alliances have experienced for a long time. Tons of 4 * champs and no source for t4cc until recently. But perhaps that is Kabams point...just because you got him today doesn't mean you need to rank him today.

Rap

Somehow the steroidal growth has to be brought under control.

If we experienced players were advising new players, we would tell them to only rank up 3 stars until you have a enough 4* champs to hit the milestones in the arena.

Wasting gold, no matter how little it is on 3* champs is counter productive to progression.

No new account is going to catch a 3yr old account if that account has been playing consistently, so that is a piss poor excuse to be against scaling gold. The argument is weak and is pure BS.

All new accounts will bottleneck on T4ccs, this is a fact, it is the way the game is designed. Even though new accounts are gaining 5* shards faster than some of us with older accounts used too, those new accounts have 5* Champs stuck at 2/35. Older accounts may have 5* champs bottlenecking at 3/45 and 4/55. It’s easier for an old account to accumulate T2As now than it is for a new account to gain T4ccs.

The problem is if the gold issue isn’t solved those new accounts will catch up to the older accounts because of gold and gold rewards not scaling with the game.

GroundedWisdom

Blax4ever wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

Riegel wrote: »

You will need new players to be able to catch up to fill the spots of those who quit, and if this process is 2 years or more it's not healthy for the game longevity.

We don't need new players to literally "catch up" because if they could do that, then it would be to my benefit to start a new account and catch up with myself quickly. But you are correct we need newer players to be able to progress at a reasonable speed relative to veteran accounts. And that is true. The current state of the game allows players to do in a few months what it took me over a year to do initially. They are experiencing highly accelerated progress relative to what older players originally experienced: there's no "bottleneck" holding them back from being able to do so. They are bottlenecked insofar as everyone is, but you can probably progress to the middle of the pack on a timescale of less than a year or moderate play. Any faster than what they can do now would start to devalue actually being a veteran player.

What a load of bs, new players all bottle neck with t4ccs, unless they some how are so good with 2/35s and 4/40s that they get into a top 300 Alliance.

People get on here and just start talking straight out of the butts.

No new account is going to catch a howling commando or season summoner if they are consistently active, that’s just some straight up garbage and is no excuse not to scale gold in the game.

Blax4ever wrote: »

If we experienced players were advising new players, we would tell them to only rank up 3 stars until you have a enough 4* champs to hit the milestones in the arena.

Wasting gold, no matter how little it is on 3* champs is counter productive to progression.

No new account is going to catch a 3yr old account if that account has been playing consistently, so that is a piss poor excuse to be against scaling gold. The argument is weak and is pure BS.

All new accounts will bottleneck on T4ccs, this is a fact, it is the way the game is designed. Even though new accounts are gaining 5* shards faster than some of us with older accounts used too, those new accounts have 5* Champs stuck at 2/35. Older accounts may have 5* champs bottlenecking at 3/45 and 4/55. It’s easier for an old account to accumulate T2As now than it is for a new account to gain T4ccs.

The problem is if the gold issue isn’t solved those new accounts will catch up to the older accounts because of gold and gold rewards not scaling with the game.

Adding more Gold without balancing other Resources will lead to a larger problem for lower Players, simply because you will have accelerated growth at the top, with the Champs to Rank and the Cats to do it, and no one lower will be able to reasonably catch up. What you do for one area affects everything lower.

Rap

It is just possible that you have become jaded by cracking open a new champ and maxing them to 5/50 or 3/30 withing a few hours...maybe kabam wants that slowed down is all i am suggesting...

Blax4ever wrote: »

If we experienced players were advising new players,

Stop right there, noone with a mindset of most readily obtainable resources being scarce is in a position to advise anyone else on how to play the game. You’ll be doing harm to newer players doling out advice when you refuse to learn how to manage resources.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Adding more Gold without balancing other Resources will lead to a larger problem for lower Players, simply because you will have accelerated growth at the top, with the Champs to Rank and the Cats to do it, and no one lower will be able to reasonably catch up. What you do for one area affects everything lower.

Good point, but it still doesn't explain what's happening, or what's going to happen to mid gamers and end gamers. Right now the game seems to be transitioning to more of a pay to play model, where gold crystals are going to have to be bought or players will have to grind 6 hours a day to stay afloat, or rosters will stagnate.

Don't think we t want any of these situations. We don't want gold to be P2P, we don't want stagnation, and we don't want non-stop grinding either.

Gold needs to be fixed.

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Blax4ever wrote: »

If we experienced players were advising new players,

Stop right there, noone with a mindset of most readily obtainable resources being scarce is in a position to advise anyone else on how to play the game. You’ll be doing harm to newer players doling out advice when you refuse to learn how to manage resources.

The only harm done to new players is coming from the gold trolls who come to forum with lies and BS.

Truth: you have to grind the arena 3-5hrs a day to accumulate Battle Chips for gold

Lie: You can progress in the game by not ranking up champs.

Truth: You need time and money to excel at this game

Lie: I’m a Free to play player who plays for 1-2hrs a day

Troll: You don’t know how to manage resources, I have plenty of gold, Kabam has the resources in the game perfectly balanced. Can’t change anything or new accounts will catch up to me

LOL

SomeoneElse

I don't understand all of the negative sentiments against increasing gold. It seems like every other resource has been made more available except gold. If you have plenty of gold, good for you. I don't see how increasing gold for other people has much of an impact on you. Extra gold doesn't help unless you are also grinding for the other resources. Yes, we can do arenas, but they don't give that much gold compared to the hours of play it takes, at least not if you are trying to rank up a couple of 5 stars. And arenas could not be more boring if they tried. I have to binge Netflix or something else because they are so mind-numbing.

I grind arenas a fair amount, but I cannot play as much as I need for gold because I have a real job and a real life. If Kabam wants to tailor the game for only the hardcore players, then they will lose out. I am only trying to rank up one 5 star right now. The rest I spend on leveling up 4 and 5 stars enough to be useful in arenas......to grind for more gold. It's a vicious and boring cycle.

DNA3000

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I don't understand all of the negative sentiments against increasing gold. It seems like every other resource has been made more available except gold. If you have plenty of gold, good for you. I don't see how increasing gold for other people has much of an impact on you.

It clearly can have an impact, since the gold shortage itself was created by Kabam increasing the availability of other resources. But players don't see it as being better because they have more, they see it as an even worse bottleneck preventing them from using the other stuff they now get plenty of. If the pattern continues, and there's no reason to believe it wouldn't, alleviating the gold bottlenecks for some players will create other bottlenecks that players will complain about even more.

Blax4ever wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Blax4ever wrote: »

If we experienced players were advising new players,

Stop right there, noone with a mindset of most readily obtainable resources being scarce is in a position to advise anyone else on how to play the game. You’ll be doing harm to newer players doling out advice when you refuse to learn how to manage resources.

The only harm done to new players is coming from the gold trolls who come to forum with lies and BS.

Truth: you have to grind the arena 3-5hrs a day to accumulate Battle Chips for gold

Lie: You can progress in the game by not ranking up champs.

Truth: You need time and money to excel at this game

Lie: I’m a Free to play player who plays for 1-2hrs a day

Troll: You don’t know how to manage resources, I have plenty of gold, Kabam has the resources in the game perfectly balanced. Can’t change anything or new accounts will catch up to me

LOL

I agree the BS you Gold trolls espouse is potentially harmful to newer players, the rest of the post is largely more flasites, half truths and ignorance parading as fact which all have no evidence to support them outside of short sighted anecdotal reports.

SomeoneElse

DNA3000 wrote: »

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I don't understand all of the negative sentiments against increasing gold. It seems like every other resource has been made more available except gold. If you have plenty of gold, good for you. I don't see how increasing gold for other people has much of an impact on you.

It clearly can have an impact, since the gold shortage itself was created by Kabam increasing the availability of other resources. But players don't see it as being better because they have more, they see it as an even worse bottleneck preventing them from using the other stuff they now get plenty of. If the pattern continues, and there's no reason to believe it wouldn't, alleviating the gold bottlenecks for some players will create other bottlenecks that players will complain about even more.

I said I don’t see how increasing gold for OTHER people has an impact on YOU. Don’t twist my words to make your point. I see that going on a lot around here - people misquoting or misrepresenting what other people say to try to bolster their own arguments. It doesn’t work. It seems to be the same small group of people taking over these threads trying to force their own arrogant opinions on everyone else. It fails, but they keep trying to the detriment of these threads.

I cannot speak to anyone else’s experiences. I never had a gold problem until I started advancing. It wasn’t just the increased availability of other resources. I start grinding the 4 star arenas a lot more to get a larger roster. That meant more champs to level up to be used in the arena. More 4 stars meant more duping, which lead to increased ISO but not the gold to go with it. My huge ISO stash is my biggest consumer of gold, not the slightly increased rewards we have been getting from the events. Kabam’s changes had very little to do with my gold shortage. It was my own advancement, which I am SUPPOSED to be doing.

But if the majority of the community is having a gold shortage because of Kabam’s changes, then that is a failure on the company’s part. There is no reason to increase other resources if you don’t increase the gold along with it. It is pointless. I see this in a lot of what they do. They make changes without seeming to understand the implications of making those adjustments in one area of the game without also adjusting related areas. It is something they have been doing poorly all along.

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I agree the BS you Gold trolls espouse is potentially harmful to newer players, the rest of the post is largely more flasites, half truths and ignorance parading as fact which all have no evidence to support them outside of short sighted anecdotal reports.

How many hours do you play a day and how much do you spend? Tell us your routine.

Mmx1991 wrote: »

How many hours do you play a day and how much do you spend? Tell us your routine.

At this point it’s irrelevant as I have so much gold I could last years without earning any at all. BTW never stepped in a gold realm, had gold issues very early on when i did zero arena though.

What would be relevant would be those with “issues” logging that info for themselves, however Kabam likely already does that and can pull up your individual accounts to see exactly what you earn and spend.

Have a screenshot of my gold before and after i sold a weeks worth of iso.

That doesn't tell us much. How many hours you spend grinding a day? How much you spend a month if any?

All that gold and ISO has to come from somewhere.

Cujo999

Blax4ever wrote: »

@Cujo999

Bottlenecks are ok, so long as there is a purpose for them. I didn’t have an issue when my progress slowed down because i lacked t4ccs. You keep playing and the resources you need will come.

Gold requires hours per day for months at a time, on top of everything else you have to do in the game.

Other resources have scaled with the progression of the game gold hasn’t.

Well, that's not really true at all. If you're a solo player or you're not in at least a Map 4 Alliance, T4CC will always be a bottleneck unless you pay for them when you can. Any player can have as much Gold as they have time and patience or money at any time.

AW and AQ don't eat up a large chunk of actual playtime. You can do other things, in game or out of game, while you're waiting on a node to go down. If you need Gold, you can always put off Story progression or the monthly EQ as long as you hit your Completion mins, and that's only 3 days out of the week. Duels don't eat up hardly any time at all. Yeah, there's tons of other things in the game that I WANT to do instead of grind Arenas, but not a lot of stuff I NEED to do.

There isn't any content in the game that is currently geared towards 6* champs. Yeah, it's great to have another big stick for AW/AQ, but if everyone is having the same Gold issues in the top tiers, then the only people gaining a competitive advantage are the people who grind constantly or pay for Gold, and those people honestly should have the advantage. And if you're ranking for Prestige, you're just digging your own grave deeper by spending Gold to increase your donations.

It's very hard for me to take the "progression of the game" argument seriously. Everyone knows piloting/account sharing is rampant through the top tiers in AQ and AW. Alliances account share in AQ to get more rank up materials which they use to win Wars to get more shards so they can get more champs, rinse, repeat. That Piloting/Account Sharing has caused accounts and Alliances to grow faster than the natural curve of progression, which is why that's a bad argument. Now, it's hitting the point where Alliances are starting to realize they're going to start losing people who are tired of not being able to rank champs due to high donations.

Mmx1991 wrote: »

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I agree the BS you Gold trolls espouse is potentially harmful to newer players, the rest of the post is largely more flasites, half truths and ignorance parading as fact which all have no evidence to support them outside of short sighted anecdotal reports.

How many hours do you play a day and how much do you spend? Tell us your routine.

He’s a troll he will never answer that question truthfully, because he’s a ashamed to admit how many hours he’s spent grinding away in the arenas.

I’ll tell you I have 40k pvp fights 2.6M in gold and almost 700k battle chips.

In order for me to have the amount of gold some of these players have, I’d need to have about 120k+ pvp fights.

I’m impressed with many of their rosters, they have put in some serious work and should have everything they have worked for, but all of that time spent in this game has warped them socially they think the gold is real.

Blax4ever wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I agree the BS you Gold trolls espouse is potentially harmful to newer players, the rest of the post is largely more flasites, half truths and ignorance parading as fact which all have no evidence to support them outside of short sighted anecdotal reports.

How many hours do you play a day and how much do you spend? Tell us your routine.

He’s a troll he will never answer that question truthfully, because he’s a ashamed to admit how many hours he’s spent grinding away in the arenas.

I’ll tell you I have 40k pvp fights 2.6M in gold and almost 700k battle chips.

In order for me to have the amount of gold some of these players have, I’d need to have about 120k+ pvp fights.

I’m impressed with many of their rosters, they have put in some serious work and should have everything they have worked for, but all of that time spent in this game has warped them socially they think the gold is real.

He likes to show off his stash but his gold has to come from somewhere. Either from grinding and or buying crystals/GMCs/FGMCs.

He sells his ISO? Great. Means he must grind a lot then. Question is how much? All that stuff doesn't magically appear. He either buys or grinds.

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I said I don’t see how increasing gold for OTHER people has an impact on YOU.

Making gold easier to get for you has the potential to impact my placement in ranked arena rewards by allowing you an easier path to matching the strength of my roster.

Making gold easier to get for you means you no longer have to put forth the same effort towards alliance donations giving you greater access to higher AQ maps allowing you to compete with players who have earned those spots with dedication and time.

Makingngold easier to acquire screwsnwith the balance of alliances who run easier maps due to donation costs. It cab disrupt thier harmony by pushing them i to harder maps because the relative cost is no longer an obstacle.

Making gold easier to get devalues the gold other players have rightfully earned over time and upsets the economynof the game. If this game wasnt a competition for rewards noone would have a problem with you having access to a gold cheat code. Most Socialists can’t comprehend this due to the blinders they wear.

shchong2

When majority of the players UNITED and SINGLE-VOICE on the complain and ask - Kabam will hear us and eventually make the necessary change for the player base

When the players are half-divided and spend 50 pages and weeks arguing among ourselves if the problem is valid or not to begin with - guess what they will do? One possibility is get a popcorn, a drink, put on 3D glass and watch the drama, WITHOUT EVEN paying for the ticket!

Say, while we are orchestrating or performing a drama for show, shall we AT LEAST collect some pay-per-view or entrance fees?

LOL, just kidding, it is interesting to see so many voices opposing, when this gold ask is NOT even impacting them, since we are NOT asking to take the gold away from them. So looks like having some changes that benefit others, maybe a threat to them who are NOT in need, maybe they fear others will catch up and become better than them? .... Hey who am I to tell?

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Making gold easier to get devalues the gold other players have rightfully earned over time

We all want to know how you rightfully earned 97m in gold. Grinding or buying? Cause they don't magically appear out of thin air.

Mmx1991 wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Making gold easier to get devalues the gold other players have rightfully earned over time

We all want to know how you rightfully earned 97m in gold. Grinding or buying? Cause they don't magically appear out of thin air.

Playing the game, my total monetary expenditure on this game is <100$US

Mmx1991 wrote: »

Blax4ever wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I agree the BS you Gold trolls espouse is potentially harmful to newer players, the rest of the post is largely more flasites, half truths and ignorance parading as fact which all have no evidence to support them outside of short sighted anecdotal reports.

How many hours do you play a day and how much do you spend? Tell us your routine.

He’s a troll he will never answer that question truthfully, because he’s a ashamed to admit how many hours he’s spent grinding away in the arenas.

I’ll tell you I have 40k pvp fights 2.6M in gold and almost 700k battle chips.

In order for me to have the amount of gold some of these players have, I’d need to have about 120k+ pvp fights.

I’m impressed with many of their rosters, they have put in some serious work and should have everything they have worked for, but all of that time spent in this game has warped them socially they think the gold is real.

He likes to show off his stash but his gold has to come from somewhere. Either from grinding and or buying crystals/GMCs/FGMCs.

He sells his ISO? Great. Means he must grind a lot then. Question is how much? All that stuff doesn't magically appear. He either buys or grinds.

They spend a lot of time in the game, then come on the forum and lecture other players, but they never say how they acquired so much gold. I think it’s because their ashamed, but they shouldn’t be. If they are having fun playing the game then you’d think they would want other players to have fun too. Nope they’d rather troll than be constructive and helpful.

DNA3000

SomeoneElse wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

SomeoneElse wrote: »

I don't understand all of the negative sentiments against increasing gold. It seems like every other resource has been made more available except gold. If you have plenty of gold, good for you. I don't see how increasing gold for other people has much of an impact on you.

It clearly can have an impact, since the gold shortage itself was created by Kabam increasing the availability of other resources. But players don't see it as being better because they have more, they see it as an even worse bottleneck preventing them from using the other stuff they now get plenty of. If the pattern continues, and there's no reason to believe it wouldn't, alleviating the gold bottlenecks for some players will create other bottlenecks that players will complain about even more.

I said I don’t see how increasing gold for OTHER people has an impact on YOU. Don’t twist my words to make your point. I see that going on a lot around here - people misquoting or misrepresenting what other people say to try to bolster their own arguments. It doesn’t work. It seems to be the same small group of people taking over these threads trying to force their own arrogant opinions on everyone else. It fails, but they keep trying to the detriment of these threads.

I made the presumption that you were aware you are playing an MMO, and there's no such thing as rules for one player that differ from another player. I will refrain from making that sort of mistake with you in the future.

Mmx1991 wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Making gold easier to get devalues the gold other players have rightfully earned over time

We all want to know how you rightfully earned 97m in gold. Grinding or buying? Cause they don't magically appear out of thin air.

Playing the game, my total monetary expenditure on this game is <100$US

380k PVPs huh? How many hours a day? 8? 12?

@Mmx1991

Damn, he’s an absolute beast 380k pvp fights. I have no idea how many hours per day that is. 3 yrs is 36 months, so it’s averages out to a little over 10k pvp fights per month, 2500 per week, a little over 300 pvp fights per day.

@CoatHang3r SALUTE

shchong2

Blax4ever wrote: »

Damn, he’s an absolute beast 380k pvp fights. I have no idea how many hours per day that is. 3 yrs is 36 months, so it’s averages out to a little over 10k pvp fights per month, 2500 per week, a little over 300 pvp fights per day.

This happened, when our real world Universe begins to converge with Marvel Universe

I do hope that when these 2 Universes converged, my MCoC gold will turn into REAL GOLD in REAL LIFE

shchong2

Mmx1991 wrote: »

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Wow, Mr V lost out? What a shame! Someone give the new winner a shiny medal! Absolutely stunning performance and track record, has anyone apply for Guinness record yet? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'm saying this with utmost respect and all the love in the Marvel Universe! Trust me!

These guys, try to paint the opposition as trolls then they spend the next hour trolling the opposition.