v18.1 Discussion Thread

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VTA92

ArmandStar wrote: »

on another note. this is gonna sound rather rude but here goes:
this is not the first time and it won't be the last: once again i must question your priority list.
how come you fixed Dormammu while there are far more important things to fix?
the fact that many players didn't know about that bug is a testament to the insignificance of it. how come such an unimportant bug got at the top of the to-do list?

meanwhile, a certain other problem that is actually a problem, should be high priority but is still ongoing and still unanswered. i'm getting tired of asking about it, so i'll ask for another one that supposedly should at least be higher on the priority list than Dormammu or text correction for Thanos: Any updates on the Carnage update?

Easy answer is as follows:

Benefit to player base: TOP PRIORITY

Benefit to Kabam: Take a vacation, wait till after the holiday, then get to it when you get to it.

Maat1985

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Everybody,

I'm sorry to report that a moderator gave you incorrect information when this was first reported. We know how important it is for us to be sure that we are giving you the most accurate information that we possibly can.

This was a bug, and although it was a long standing one, it doesn't mean that we didn't have to fix it. Archangel’s Stun was not acting like every other stun in the game.

The issue with having a Stun that does not act like a debuff is that it was causing a lot of problems, and with more new content and modes being added, this was becoming a bigger and bigger problem. Archangel was not only able to bypass Stun Immune nodes, but his stun would bypass other Champions abilities, like Agent Venom's Tenacity or Black Panther (Civil War)'s Reflect Stun, as well as not interact with Masteries like Willpower.

With this interaction becoming more and more prevalent in different game modes, we started seeing more of these problems come up, and this bug was one that became more of a priority.

We don’t have any plans to distribute Rank Down tickets as this is resolving a bug and not changing an intended fundamental Champion mechanic in a significant way.

AA neurotoxin already bypasses this other stuff anyway.....
Lmao....
Seriously.....

Atleast now i cant accidentally stun a stun immune BPCW....

Maat1985

I have AA and i love him.... even with this “fix” really.....

There is an upside..... now you dont need to worry about his neurotoxin stunning an unstunnable BPCW and getting reflected and comboed into oblivion....
Always look at the bright side..... lmao

While inagree that stunning unstunable was stupid and shouldnt have been allowed.
I also feel it is terrible behavior of Kabam to earlier say this is not a bug and is working as intend yet now claim they have done this as a bug fix.
Atleast have the balls to say this has been changed as a game balance issue....

Maat1985

Patchie93 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike

So does this mean the stun that AA neurotoxin causes on expiry will be reflected by Black Panther (Civil war) and if so can you explain why?

It already was..... i have had neuro expire and reflect stun......
If you only had 1 neuro when it expired it would always reflect....
The reason why it didnt always relflect was if you had multiple neuros younstill had ability reduction.
If you had 4 neuros on him and one expired you would still have 3 so there is 99.99% ability reduction so bpcw would not trigger reflect

Dexman1349

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Maat1985

Dexman1349 wrote: »

<Currently running Act 5.3.5 with AA to take down the BPCW boss before the nerf goes into effect>

Wont matter cus if you only have 1 neuro you will still get stunned now

And if you have multiple neuros you probs wont get stunned cus you reduce his ability accuracy...

Harry_71

I like to repeat this topic and I know Kabam ignores me...So I ignore their warnings...

I guess what now comes is the 16th whatever revision:

You know what now comes....

What about old bugs or refunds for the old trash with no solutions so far?
Yes, I write about the mastery PURE SKILL...Still no refund for level 4 and 5 and/or a solution...

Sorry to say this. I'm still not satisfied about the job you are doing.

And for the Kabam evangelists among you, who will now tell me that they are bored about my repeating message....it doesn’t matter to me...

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addisonbassist wrote: »

This sets a HORRIBLE precedent going forward.

Just wait until they decide that Blade is "bugged" because his ability set makes it too difficult for them to design around him.

A couple of weeks ago, I would've said, "Nah... that'll never happen! They'd have to be INSANE to do something like that!"

Now, it's really just a matter of time... once the initial luster is worn off a "god-tier" champ, all they have to do is say, "Whooops! Sorry... that ability was a BUG. That champ needed to be FIXED. OUR BAD!! SO SOWWY!"

It's honestly laughable at this point.

Agreed. And I'm not a fan or supporter of the run of the mill "the sky is falling, the game is ending" chatter... But if you want to make people stop trying for new champs, all you have to do is undermine their confidence in that champ maintaining value over time. In one poorly thought out and stubborn move, they've set the stage for any champ to be devalued... Along with the potential for rare items and resources to be thrown away.

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mum_m2

with the class advantage though, shouldn't AA be able to shut down the reflect stun and the tenacity. they just continuously disappoint month after month with this stuff.

anyways, it's not about his ability to stun the stun immune. someone said it best on reddit, won't quote it here but regardless, this is about the danger to all of our other champs who are working as intended to only find out it's a bug later on.

Madman_marvin

I’m going to throw my hat into the ring and say that it’s extremely disheartening to see this AA change. AA will still be a great champ, but the precedent this sets is scary. What Kabam is saying is that on a whim, they can change champ mechanics if they feel it is a threat to income.

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PeacockJazz

Slappapow wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Everybody,

I'm sorry to report that a moderator gave you incorrect information when this was first reported. We know how important it is for us to be sure that we are giving you the most accurate information that we possibly can.

This was a bug, and although it was a long standing one, it doesn't mean that we didn't have to fix it. Archangel’s Stun was not acting like every other stun in the game.

The issue with having a Stun that does not act like a debuff is that it was causing a lot of problems, and with more new content and modes being added, this was becoming a bigger and bigger problem. Archangel was not only able to bypass Stun Immune nodes, but his stun would bypass other Champions abilities, like Agent Venom's Tenacity or Black Panther (Civil War)'s Reflect Stun, as well as not interact with Masteries like Willpower.

With this interaction becoming more and more prevalent in different game modes, we started seeing more of these problems come up, and this bug was one that became more of a priority.

We don’t have any plans to distribute Rank Down tickets as this is resolving a bug and not changing an intended fundamental Champion mechanic in a significant way.

Technically, Archangel's stun should bypass Black Panther (Civil War)Z's reflect stun because it isn't a stun that triggers on contact.

I'm sorry to report that a moderator gave you incorrect information when this was first reported. I fear that this will be the go to answer for lots of stuff in the future.

MEKA5

Madman_marvin wrote: »

I’m going to throw my hat into the ring and say that it’s extremely disheartening to see this AA change. AA will still be a great champ, but the precedent this sets is scary. What Kabam is saying is that on a whim, they can change champ mechanics if they feel it is a threat to income.

They already did that with Thor, SW and Doc Strange. The new approach is calling it a "bugfix" when it's NOT obviously: it's a NERF. It's this kind of sneaky silent changes that build up distrust and frustration. Many players are slowing down, going to semi-retirement and definitely not spending that much money in this game anymore.

PeacockJazz

I am one that used a generic awakening gem on my 5* AA and took him to Rank 4 and dumped 45 sig stones into him. I did this partially because his ability to stun opponents when nuerotoxins expire and for those stuns to work on stun immune champs and not trigger willpower or be reflected. It was a benefit to the champ that was confirmed by a moderator. I get that this ability is not something that you would like to keep in the game but something should be done for the players affected by this change to a champs abilities. Is there a way to give AA specific rank down options? Or at least set up a ticket response for players that want to only get AA changed. I understand a generic rank down ticket to anyone with AA is not the answer but some players are definitely hurt by this change, especially the ones that used the most rare resources in the game on this champ.

mum_m2

MEKA5 wrote: »

Madman_marvin wrote: »

I’m going to throw my hat into the ring and say that it’s extremely disheartening to see this AA change. AA will still be a great champ, but the precedent this sets is scary. What Kabam is saying is that on a whim, they can change champ mechanics if they feel it is a threat to income.

They already did that with Thor, SW and Doc Strange. The new approach is calling it a "bugfix" when it's NOT obviously: it's a NERF. It's this kind of sneaky silent changes that build up distrust and frustration. Many players are slowing down, going to semi-retirement and definitely not spending that much money in this game anymore.

how do you know that they are not spending much money in the game anymore? do you have data to support this? pretty sure that this game is still in the top of mobile games. And I easily found that data to support my claims.

Android is currently 15th. and it's 24th for Apple right now at the lowest point of activity for the month. which means coming about june 6th and 7th you can comfortably say that they will rise to the top ten again for the new champions that will be released and the new content. pretty certain here that people are spending just as much if not more than before.

also, many players are slowing down because that's the trend of the end game player. you can't play a game forever, you slow down, the challenges are less challenging and you go out and find a new one.

but hey, I'm on your side here. I do feel that they are just rewording this as just a bug fix instead of the mobile n word. I do feel that this is building distrust and frustration as I feel it myself. but why should Kabam care, if new people join their game and spend all their money like the COW does

Mhykke

I don't really care about the change to AA.

What I do care about is an ability that exists in the game for a long time, a mod confirming that this ability is working as intended, and then some time later on the game decides to change this ability by calling it a bug and it was never intended to work that way.

I haven't played every game out there, but I've played a decent number, and I just don't see other companies pulling the kinds of things that Kabam pulls. I don't see the chaos in communication from company to player base that I see here.

The only thing I can logically think of is that the licensing deal with Marvel is so crippling, so expensive, that Kabam just does not have the ability to allocate resources to have a better process of communication. This game continues to be a large revenue maker in the app store, but it doesn't seem that way when considering its communication and the stability of the game.

Gore

@Kabam Miike I need to understand 2 things from your post and please clear me on this
Now if I fight with AA against Black Panther Civil after neurotoxins expire I get stunned cause that’s BP civil ability ?

Regarding Agent Venom Tenacity read closely AA abilities
Passive: AA Ability Accuracy can not be decreased by his opponents abilities

That in particular means that after a neurotoxin expire AA 100% chance to stun for 1.5 seconds can’t be shut down

So please be very explicit on this part cause I want to know if my rank 5 5* Archangel becomes **** now after I invested all I’ve got with hard work in him to help me pass some events or nodes more easy.

mum_m2

It's not the nerf/bugfix here, it's the inconsistency and the false information

you'd think they had time to update the known issues or gave us bug info but I looked and nothing there
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/64860/known-issues-18-0#latest
Looked on their kabam support page for any known bugs with AA. Nothing there either. If it was a well known bug then why not list it somewhere.

They've had months to update known issues of any sorts, but they failed here. Now, after a mod tells us he's working as intended, all of the sudden, we are dropped a bomb on us that is really dangerous and sets a bad (word of the day) precedent.

VTA92

mum_m2 wrote: »

It's not the nerf/bugfix here, it's the inconsistency and the false information

you'd think they had time to update the known issues or gave us bug info but I looked and nothing there
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/64860/known-issues-18-0#latest
Looked on their kabam support page for any known bugs with AA. Nothing there either. If it was a well known bug then why not list it somewhere.

They've had months to update known issues of any sorts, but they failed here. Now, after a mod tells us he's working as intended, all of the sudden, we are dropped a bomb on us that is really dangerous and sets a bad (word of the day) precedent.

Yup, I agree. Most aren’t even mad about the change necessarily. The issue is “fixing” a bug that was never determined to be a bug in the first place. There are so many other issues in game that should be prioritized. Yet, this has never even been mentioned and is the main fix in this update.

Also, just like everyone else has been saying, this does look good for the future of the game. What’s to stop them from “fixing” any other champs abilities 6 months or a year later and claiming it was not working has intended so we decided to change it. It’s not a nerf, but a bug fix. This will of course come after people after killed themsevesnin arena, bought a ridiculous amount of crystals and invested valuable resources into that champ.

ScottLang

Lol i cant beleive how many people are complaining about the AA stun thing lol like where do you guys use this thats making it a “game changing fix” or in anyway makes AA any worse of a champ? Lol like hes still one of the best to use for thorns like against IM on map 6 and anywhere where his stun from his nuerotoxin could be benificial bis nuerotoxin in general still would kill the champ fast enough anyways so i don’t understand the commotion unless its just another thing for everyone to flip out about cause they love the drama or are hungry for rank down tickets and using this as a catalyst to try and get one

Tasty_Yum_Yums

PeacockJazz wrote: »

I am one that used a generic awakening gem on my 5* AA and took him to Rank 4 and dumped 45 sig stones into him. I did this partially because his ability to stun opponents when nuerotoxins expire and for those stuns to work on stun immune champs and not trigger willpower or be reflected. It was a benefit to the champ that was confirmed by a moderator. I get that this ability is not something that you would like to keep in the game but something should be done for the players affected by this change to a champs abilities. Is there a way to give AA specific rank down options? Or at least set up a ticket response for players that want to only get AA changed. I understand a generic rank down ticket to anyone with AA is not the answer but some players are definitely hurt by this change, especially the ones that used the most rare resources in the game on this champ.

I’m I similar situation. I purchased several FGMC when he was the featured champ. I used a generic AG on him. I only brought him to R3 because I ranked up Void over him recently, but he was next on the list.

Now considering this change, I would not have gone for him in the featured crystals and I would not have used a generic gem on him. I would have used a mutant gem if I got him, I still think he has a ton of value.

Point being, I used to endgame items and cash to go after a champ that was confirmed “working as intended”, only for them to reneg...

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ScottLang

Lol if you lure an opponents heavy you can do the same thing and his stun still works just not on unstunnable nodes which makes perfect sense

PeacockJazz

ScottLang wrote: »

Lol if you lure an opponents heavy you can do the same thing and his stun still works just not on unstunnable nodes which makes perfect sense

It does make perfect sense if they had mentioned it being a bug within a few weeks after his release or at any point since his release. Or if they had not confirmed the exact issue to be working as intended. Or if after they confirmed it to be working as intended they had said that they were wrong and it was a bug. Instead they just fixed a bug that was said not to be a bug, out of the blue a year+ after the champ had been released.

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ScottLang wrote: »

Lol i cant beleive how many people are complaining about the AA stun thing lol like where do you guys use this thats making it a “game changing fix” or in anyway makes AA any worse of a champ? Lol like hes still one of the best to use for thorns like against IM on map 6 and anywhere where his stun from his nuerotoxin could be benificial bis nuerotoxin in general still would kill the champ fast enough anyways so i don’t understand the commotion unless its just another thing for everyone to flip out about cause they love the drama or are hungry for rank down tickets and using this as a catalyst to try and get one

Missing the point completely imho

The stun isn't important. The precedent for arbitrarily deciding something that has been confirmed as working as intended is now a bug is a very bad precedent for the players. For 6 months, the confirmation of working as intended and the edited thread title of "not a bug" sat there with no further comments from kabam. Kabam even closed the thread because the final word was given. Then, out of nowhere... It's a bug.

Username1583

The stun on his neurotoxin is a very important mechanic for boss fights like Magik or Modok and you're now changing it as an ordinary bug despite months ago you said it was working as intended. Hope it doesn't affect the stun duration in the labyrinth cause you'll create an enormous issue when fighting Spiderman and especially X23. Really disappointed on this change, bad Kabam! The game is full of bugs who need to be fixed (short evade for example) instead of ruining AA's abilities mechanic.