2* wars effecting the highest levels of AW.
Riegel
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I feel like I am making these posts more and more lately. Being so late in the season I can't believe cheating is becoming more prevalent.
Here is a picture of a top AW alliance doing a 2* war. You know how long I have been going on about this issue? It has still not been addressed. http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/67928/2-wars-and-aw-seasons#latest Please address it. Now is a good time.
As you can see this alliance has placed a 2* defense. They had 0 kills on both sides and the losing side placed low on diversity just as I have said they do over and over. In the bottom part you can see what a real war between the two alliances looks like. 21 deaths to 23 deaths. Absurd.
This kind of behavior really effects the competitive spirit of the game mode. For those of us who are using potions and boosts every war to get a top spot, seeing something like this is disgusting. No effort and same or better rewards?
We need to punish and prevent this from happening at all levels of AW. This is an important issue to me and many that play using boosts and potions and literally stress before fights. The challenge to beat an opponent with no deaths is something I love most about the game, so when others are bypassing this placing 2* defenders it makes all the work I've put in to get those boosts and potions and learn how to fight a new champion every other week all for nothing.
Here is a picture of a top AW alliance doing a 2* war. You know how long I have been going on about this issue? It has still not been addressed. http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/67928/2-wars-and-aw-seasons#latest Please address it. Now is a good time.
As you can see this alliance has placed a 2* defense. They had 0 kills on both sides and the losing side placed low on diversity just as I have said they do over and over. In the bottom part you can see what a real war between the two alliances looks like. 21 deaths to 23 deaths. Absurd.
This kind of behavior really effects the competitive spirit of the game mode. For those of us who are using potions and boosts every war to get a top spot, seeing something like this is disgusting. No effort and same or better rewards?
We need to punish and prevent this from happening at all levels of AW. This is an important issue to me and many that play using boosts and potions and literally stress before fights. The challenge to beat an opponent with no deaths is something I love most about the game, so when others are bypassing this placing 2* defenders it makes all the work I've put in to get those boosts and potions and learn how to fight a new champion every other week all for nothing.
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Every week it people complaining and throwing out accusations. Both sides need to chill and let kabam do they job. Send a ticket if you want but why spam the forums?
Kabam please ban this guy. He is blatantly spamming.
Player isn't spamming this matter. They've rewritten a topic after having a previous removed that indicated direct callouts of alliances. This thread is to be kept constructive and on the topic specifically of how this effects you and your alliance as well as others. There isn't whining on this, there is a concern. Please be considered on the topic and OP's thoughts.
As for the matter of this, we'll be discussing this further as a team in the next day or so to give a more detailed response to it. Thank you for the feedback and the soon to be more on the matter.
Remember to be kind, respectful and constructive in posting.
They make the agreement after they know who they're facing. Since one of these alliances is a full pilot alliance, the other one has no chance to win so they both agree to place only 2*, and to make it not look suspicious the lower alliance agrees to die a certain number of times, and the better alliance will die a couple less.
I’m not certain, but I believe you can see the war rating of the alliance you’re facing. Since in higher tiers so few alliances have those high war ratings, each alliance can contact the other, double check that the war ratings correspond and then place 2* accordingly.
please give justice to those that are legitimely playing the game...
seriosuly need to remove the cheaters/alliances from aw seasons completely. this is not fair
Don't think answering those questions would be good for the community tbh. Not saying they aren't valid questions but an answer would be a "how to cheat" manual. And the cheating is already too widespread as it is. I just hope the penalties are severe enough to cut it all out.
Bear in mind, it's almost the end of season 2.... A season where a TON of alliances got points and tiers taken away and piloting and fixed matches are STILL extremely common because the cheaters think they won't be caught and if they do, the penalties aren't that bad. Kabam needs to make some very clear examples of a few alliances and we might get somewhere.
For the future, yes.
It’s not enough to solve what’s already been done. Punishments must be handed out.
Ofc it does effect other allies. Literallt it effects every single alliance missing one spot to a higher bracket, and potentially being able to access that if cheaters get punished for what they deserve. Be it from plat to master, from 20th master place to 19th, and so on, every ally from top to the bottom where they should be penalized is directly effected by this cheating practice. Actually 2 spots, cause both the allies here are to blame.
Vydious, we just came out from a direct and well called penalization for a master ally who combined a walkover over a friendly disbanding ally. Said behaviour is by no means far from what happened here. In both cases the winner manipulated the war system to gain an unfair advantage over the fair playing allies. Be it 1.6m or simply 1.39m points doesnt change the issue in place here. they both bypassed rules and acted out of healthy enviroment to gain "free and easy points".
Punishing the first alliance with 1,4m points penalty while letting this go unpunished would mean adopting different measures for different alliances, and literally nothing would make the first ally (penalized) not righfult into asking or blaming "why us and not them too".
You guys have showed real interest and care for fair play, so i expect no less this time around, as to not prove that different alliances are treated in different ways.
so who's to say someone or a few in one of the alliances goes rogue and actually place their regular defenders vs 2*..sounds like you are playing roulette..lol
sure, no doubt it's risky
1) Need to adjust or change or censor aw matching. Players have been able to predict their aw opponent through aw rating, +, and - match points. Thus, arranging 2* wars or some other type of deals which inflate both side’s season score through less deaths or inflates the winner heavily due to shady deals involving incentives($) being offered.
2) Maybe change season score calculation by having deaths being a major determinent for win/loss, but not affecting season score. Meaning, fixed points for winning/losing(mayb multiply by tier?). This will allow skill to still be a major considerstion in an alliance, yet may lessen the likelyhood of piloting.
3) Get better or more specific ban filtering for pilots. cross ip, device, etc checks.
4) Do not allow same looking name changes. ex. iiiii vs lllll vs ilili (i uppercase and L lowercase mixture).
5) introduce more challenging aw nodes and scale up aw difficulty for exploration. Recent changes have been good, but not enough imo.
I understand where your coming from and I don't agree that what they are doing is right but effectively aren't breaking any TOS in doing this.
I don't think that would ever happen.. especially if they are spenders
Yeah fair enough, there isn’t an explicit rule. But there have been similar situations in the past where kabam have deemed some act an exploit or the like even when it doesn’t break one of their rules. They have reserved the right to judge anything how they want basically.
Look at 3* wars and 2* wars a year or two ago, that’s why matchmaking is (for the most part) anonymous now.
So if Brazil agrees on a combine in the next world cup match they arent factually braking any rules of soccer. Does it make it unpunishable or wouldnt they be kicked out of world cup for it? ToS is a guideline, the spirit of the game has alwais been and will alwais be fair play. Modders or hackers are banned in games, that is the story.
Whales are like bugs. Destroy one and ten more step into their place. Money should be of zero concern. Besides, most would likely just buy another acct and deal w the alliance joining cool off phase.
I'm not here to argue, I agree with what your saying but let's not get ridiculous and compare the World Cup to a mobile game mode.
These collusions between alllainces have been around ever since AW inception and Kabam knows that and hasn't bothered to put a stop to it, I don't believe you can punish someone based on what has been allowed in the past. Just stop it from happening again in the future but in saying that if they do punish then good.
Well, they punished 2 other alliances for pretty much the same thing earlier in the week.
Along with that, account sharing has always been against the rules but not enforced until this war season.
I applaud the steps they've made so far and my only complaint is that they've been too lenient. Slaps on the wrist were fine in the beginning of the season in order to get peoples' attention... But it's time to move on to death penalties at this point. Ban cheaters from aw matchmaking for long enough to fully ruin a season and you've cleaned up the contest in one day, with one act.
It may not be technically cheating by definition of the rules
But it is playing against the spirit of the game which is cheating
all the way down to those in gold,silver
everyone is competing and in true competition spirit, cheaters should not be given any rewards
i do hope u agree that cheaters never win...so they shouldnt have any rewards.
sad to see that cheaters/alliances are still able to get rewards...
@Kabam Miike