Dungeons Discussion Thread

Greetings Summoners!

Dungeons are coming back with a number of improvements! You'll want to take a look at our Announcement Thread here, but feel free to ask any questions or make any comments you may have in this thread.

We've also taken this opportunity to share with you all some of our Intentions behind Dungeons, the lessons that we learned, and how we improved on them. Take a look at that post here.

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RagamugginGunner

Can't wait to open that crystal in 4 months. It's like this GP event but 4 times the work and 4 times the wait!

krauserhunt

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Jaded wrote: »

KyrieRed wrote: »

So how much artifacts can you potentially earn in the first dungeon series meaning August 20th - September 3rd?

17,510 I believe

According to my calculations you can earn 1,030 per day and if it runs for 14 days for a total of 14,420

@V1PER1987
How are you coming up with 1,030 DA per day?

In the milestones I see that only 300 can be earned daily.

V1PER1987

krauserhunt wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

Jaded wrote: »

KyrieRed wrote: »

So how much artifacts can you potentially earn in the first dungeon series meaning August 20th - September 3rd?

17,510 I believe

According to my calculations you can earn 1,030 per day and if it runs for 14 days for a total of 14,420

@V1PER1987
How are you coming up with 1,030 DA per day?

In the milestones I see that only 300 can be earned daily.

@krauserhunt 300 is just the final milestone. You have to add up all the milestones.

Kade7175

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

GroundedWisdom

Kade7175 wrote: »

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

Depending on where you're at in the game, that's not that far off from the status quo. Considering there's a significantly less amount of effort for Dungeons compared to other game modes for the 5*, plus the ability to narrow down the RNG a bit, that's not bad.

Bapoi

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Kade7175 wrote: »

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

Depending on where you're at in the game, that's not that far off from the status quo. Considering there's a significantly less amount of effort for Dungeons compared to other game modes for the 5*, plus the ability to narrow down the RNG a bit, that's not bad.

I’m sorry, but... I agree with the option of narrowing down the odds for a champ.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement ‘significantly less amount of effort’.

The sheer time sink that they were last time makes me gamble on regular crystals over more dungeons.

GroundedWisdom

Bapoi wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Kade7175 wrote: »

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

Depending on where you're at in the game, that's not that far off from the status quo. Considering there's a significantly less amount of effort for Dungeons compared to other game modes for the 5*, plus the ability to narrow down the RNG a bit, that's not bad.

I’m sorry, but... I agree with the option of narrowing down the odds for a champ.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement ‘significantly less amount of effort’.

The sheer time sink that they were last time makes me gamble on regular crystals over more dungeons.

They've made changes to it. In any case, I can rock out Dungeons alot easier than say, 100% of an EQ, or climbing Tiers in War. Relatively much easier, not to mention more interactive.

Bapoi

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Bapoi wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Kade7175 wrote: »

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

Depending on where you're at in the game, that's not that far off from the status quo. Considering there's a significantly less amount of effort for Dungeons compared to other game modes for the 5*, plus the ability to narrow down the RNG a bit, that's not bad.

I’m sorry, but... I agree with the option of narrowing down the odds for a champ.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement ‘significantly less amount of effort’.

The sheer time sink that they were last time makes me gamble on regular crystals over more dungeons.

They've made changes to it. In any case, I can rock out Dungeons alot easier than say, 100% of an EQ, or climbing Tiers in War. Relatively much easier, not to mention more interactive.

That’s true, it is more interactive.
That same interactivity however is what creates the timesink that it is.

When questing, I can stop any time I want. Once in a dungeon with someone, you’re in it for the whole thing. Let’s face it, 99% of people in arena don’t want to hear ‘gtg’ after one room when your champs get locked upon leaving.

Werewrym

I think the dungeons will be pretty easy and will take relatively little time during this run of them. The milestones point requirements are just over 3k points which is like two rooms in D7. I'm expecting this to be like maybe a 10 minute or less time commitment. I would have liked to see more DA but I do think it is worth the effort seeing as you have a shot at a very select pool of champs. 10% chance for a champ are not odds that we see very often in this game, so I'll take it.

BlackFreQuency

Is it worth the time ? i don't think so.. please explain to me mike how is this going to help me progress in the game ? i use my 5* champions in the game right now and looks like i can only get 4* champions from dungeons.. i don't need 4* champions and that won't do anything for me.. so why should players like me be happy with dungeons and spend time ? please.. please don't call this improvement.. far from it

i appreciate the idea

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Afri4Cola

Glad that those artifact crystals give a full dupe now with 20+ Level, ISO and Gold. That was a real bummer last time when you tried to get a specific champ with the risk to bring your 5* Spider-Gwen from sig level 60 to 61 for just 27.000 artifacts...

I don't know the exact prestige cutoffs last time, but i wasn't in the highest bracket.
For me, Dungeons were a good source for infity dust and gold ... i didn't care a lot about the artifacts. As far as i remember, i opened one 3* and one 4* and increased 4* Iron Patriots sig level.

Now (after duping 5* Star-Lord, 5* Dr Voodoo and after getting 6* Hela) i'll have the prestige for the highest bracket. What surprises me is that now i would earn less gold from the milestones.

For example, with Prestige from 3.201 - 4200 you gather 15.000 gold by doing 1.500 points (5 milestones). With prestige 4.200+ you gather 6.750 gold by collecting 1.500 points (3 milestones).

In other words, the higher prestige you have, the more rooms you have to clear in order to collect the same amount of gold.

Gold is my biggest concern in the game and it's slightly disappointing that dungeons will be a less rewarding source for gold (in relation to the time spend in dungeons) if you increase you prestige.

by the way ... will the limit for each room still be 12 minutes? loading times from end of one fight till start of the next usually take up to 40 seconds or more. while communicating with your dungeon partner and with challenging dungeon fights in harder rooms that take more than two minutes ... 12 minutes were sometimes a short amount of time ... especially with occasionally game crashes

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Werewrym

INTEGRAL wrote: »

Are guy ready for super exhaustive time consuming Dungeons?

I don't think they will be as exhausting as you think. The top milestone in the top prestige bracket only needs 3,750 points. That is almost no work at all. I think if you run two rooms in dungeon 7 then you will have all the rewards.

Dr. Crab

Well awakening gems be available in the dungeon store?

jlamadison

Since the milestone rewards are prestige based, how will the players know beforehand what rewards they will receive? Also, if the players' prestige changes during the two weeks will the milestone rewards change?

RagamugginGunner

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Kade7175 wrote: »

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

Depending on where you're at in the game, that's not that far off from the status quo. Considering there's a significantly less amount of effort for Dungeons compared to other game modes for the 5*, plus the ability to narrow down the RNG a bit, that's not bad.

Wrong. I get ~5000 5* shards a week from arena, which is much easier than dungeons.

NatsuGenysis

Good Morning Mike,

My main concern is that you mentioned the whole time consuming aspect of the dungeons and how the refresh rate was holding up people. So what i would like to know as well as other summoners is what the refresh rate will be like for a 5 star versus a 4 star champion because we have other content doing, war, aq, arena and most importantly most of us have jobs so time is limited. Much appreciated if you could reply.

NoOnexRO

No. The dungeons will not interest me.
Maybe YOU think you made amazing changes from V1.
You should test this module by playing with strangers, not with 2 people sitting next to each other deciding by voice what they should do next. At that moment you will have an accurate feeling of how the dungeons run.

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Caneka

Seeing that the crystals are prestige based, we should have a way to see our prestige in-game, just add it to our profiles 👍🏿, i dont even know how much i have...

RehctansBew

Honestly, dungeons weren't that bad the first time around, as long as you had a partner you could count on. OUr alliance paired up and everyone had schedule a time that worked for each other and would just get on run 5 rooms in dungeon 6 and be done. literally 30 minutes.

I will say I hate the fact that they use dungeons as a testing ground for buffs, they can see which nodes give the most problem then took that information and turned it into 3 mini bosses in season 3. to expect anything less in season 4 is crazy.

Fives

I just still don’t understand how these are INFINITY dungeons. There still isn’t any incentive to play past the top milestone, which you’ll get in just a couple rooms. Why make them infinite if you barely need to play them to get rewards and you get absolutely nothing past that?

I do like the change from basic to full dupe, although as the pool is 90% sewage this time around, all it means is I’m gonna get 20 levels on my iron patriot instead of one after three months of daily playing without missing a day. Dunno who thought it was a good idea to spread minimal rewards out across three months. Eh.

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Star_Lord_

The only thing that interested me lat time was the AG. I'll probably play them this time, but more out of morbid curiosity as last time I scored a 5* She Hulk and 5* Xbones.

RehctansBew

May have been answered but will these have the same silly time limit as the first time?

Niftycra

I like that you are trying to communicate and be more open. Thank you for that.

However, the rewards for dungeons are trash. Even if you can lower the daily time commitment of dungeons to 15 min per day, which is highly unlikely as it would take the regular player a minimum of 45 min previously (3 15 min rooms of the highest dungeon) or up to 2 hours a day for many other players...even IF you could lower it to 15 min per day...you are asking for approximately 25 days or play for a CHANCE at a decent 5*. That’s a MINIMUM of 6.25 hours of play for a 5* champ. Event Quests take less time and have better rewards. Dungeons are improperly balanced compared to other gameplay modes.

Furthermore, the CHANCE of getting a great champ are really very laughable. I would love to see the stats of what champs were really pulled from the dungeon crystals. Because based off of chats, it seems the number of Iron patriots and Spider Gwen’s pulled was WAAAAAAY higher than the number of decent pulls. Now I doubt Kabam would admit to the rigged crystal pulls, so for the sake of argument, let assume that the crystals pulls really are random and fair. If so, they STILL have just as much chance of getting a trash champion as getting a decent champion. To spend all that work and still get trash is insulting to the player base. If they are genuinely serious about helping players improve their rosters, they need to get rid of those trash champions.

My suggestion - increase rewards to be on par with other game modes and/or remove trash champions from the dungeon crystals.

If anyone from Kabam actually read this, thanks for your time.

GroundedWisdom

Bapoi wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Bapoi wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Kade7175 wrote: »

1 5 star for 6 weeks of dungeons.

Depending on where you're at in the game, that's not that far off from the status quo. Considering there's a significantly less amount of effort for Dungeons compared to other game modes for the 5*, plus the ability to narrow down the RNG a bit, that's not bad.

I’m sorry, but... I agree with the option of narrowing down the odds for a champ.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement ‘significantly less amount of effort’.

The sheer time sink that they were last time makes me gamble on regular crystals over more dungeons.

They've made changes to it. In any case, I can rock out Dungeons alot easier than say, 100% of an EQ, or climbing Tiers in War. Relatively much easier, not to mention more interactive.

That’s true, it is more interactive.
That same interactivity however is what creates the timesink that it is.

When questing, I can stop any time I want. Once in a dungeon with someone, you’re in it for the whole thing. Let’s face it, 99% of people in arena don’t want to hear ‘gtg’ after one room when your champs get locked upon leaving.

They made it easier to hit the Milestones, not much they can do to stop people from dipping. Lol. In any case, I like Dungeons.

Fives

Another thing... it takes SO LONG to reach the rewards you want from this mode. Sure, it’s easier to hit milestones every day, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re gonna be slogging through dungeons for two months before you get anything whatsoever out of it. I get exhausted by the repetition of arenas and they’re only three days long. And at least there are units and battlechips and shards in arena milestones to tide you over.

In dungeons? Next to nothing. A pittance of gold, that’s it. You’ll be sinking in so much daily effort and seeing absolutely no return on it for 60 days— twenty times as long as it takes to see a return in arena investment. And after all that, you’re probably gonna get a colossus sent your way.