Alliance War Death Shaming
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Left an alliance over this and [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] with regards to the constant preoccupation with AW death watch culture.
Like seriously, posting in real time in main chat chastising people for dying in alliance war... like the newly shamed went in making the decision "I'm going to die on this node! Pew! Pew! Aaaarrrrggghhh!"
And the ALL CAPS warnings DON'T DIE before you've even fought anyone. Every war. Like the soon to be shamed don't get the fundamental concept of the game (kill or be killed).
Not talking about me specifically dying necessarily (though it happens! wheeeeee!), just the vibe and overt, well, nastiness. It's actually comical on a surface level. But I'm wondering where all the fun went? AW rewards aren't even good (per war or per season) except at the top insane levels (which I imagine aren't fun at all).
Is this "a thing"? Is it super prevalent? Isolated? Or am I just a death shaming culture magnet? Have I fallen into an Alliance War death shaming culture black hole?
I'm not a snow flake about it... I try to lighten the mood with animated stickers and memes and animated gifs and other fun stuff. Admittedly, at times these go over like a lead balloon. But at least I can make myself laugh about it. Thank God I have a high prestige, right?????????
Are there any alliances where people have ***fun*** with alliance war, win ***or*** lose?
Is anyone in an alliance where you are afraid to actually partake, out of fear of dying and getting death shamed? Or even afraid to talk in chat at all? [REDACTED] in an alliance where I swear over half the people I don't think I've ever seen post one word in chat. The Unchatted.
The funniest thing to me though is the biggest bullies (the death shame'rs) die too, they just spend hide it.
One guy proclaimed he gave up only one death all season (a never die'r), and (outside of that) I happened to be on in AW and saw him lose two champs on one node (!) and quickly spend revive and spend heal to spend hide it.
I never see the bullies point out their own deaths in chat... not one time. Hmmmm...
And the death shaming doesn't even touch on the ego killing.
Like in one AW, this ego fighter (also death shame'r and a self proclaimed never die'r) took out the last mini and took the first shot at the boss... I watched, and he died (even though he's a never die'r!) and I was there with my 5* R5 Hood at 100% health with a class advantage and the boss had like 5% health left (and there was hours left to finish AW) and he quickly spend revived and spend healed not only to spend hide his death but to spend ego kill the official kill and brag about it. Of course, he never mentioned he died twice. <insert Line sticker of the yellow haired dude giggling behind his hand>
Anyway, just curious about this mostly in the "normal" tiers of playing this game. I know with the blubbery alliances <insert whale sticker> it's like off the charts I'm sure <insert whale sticker blowing from his spout>, but I find it kind of laughable in the "normal" tiers since the rewards are so weak and the stakes are so low (immeasurable even?) outside of people's imaginations (and egos!).
Thoughts?
The end.
Signed,
Anonymous (posting for "a friend")
Like seriously, posting in real time in main chat chastising people for dying in alliance war... like the newly shamed went in making the decision "I'm going to die on this node! Pew! Pew! Aaaarrrrggghhh!"
And the ALL CAPS warnings DON'T DIE before you've even fought anyone. Every war. Like the soon to be shamed don't get the fundamental concept of the game (kill or be killed).
Not talking about me specifically dying necessarily (though it happens! wheeeeee!), just the vibe and overt, well, nastiness. It's actually comical on a surface level. But I'm wondering where all the fun went? AW rewards aren't even good (per war or per season) except at the top insane levels (which I imagine aren't fun at all).
Is this "a thing"? Is it super prevalent? Isolated? Or am I just a death shaming culture magnet? Have I fallen into an Alliance War death shaming culture black hole?
I'm not a snow flake about it... I try to lighten the mood with animated stickers and memes and animated gifs and other fun stuff. Admittedly, at times these go over like a lead balloon. But at least I can make myself laugh about it. Thank God I have a high prestige, right?????????
Are there any alliances where people have ***fun*** with alliance war, win ***or*** lose?
Is anyone in an alliance where you are afraid to actually partake, out of fear of dying and getting death shamed? Or even afraid to talk in chat at all? [REDACTED] in an alliance where I swear over half the people I don't think I've ever seen post one word in chat. The Unchatted.
The funniest thing to me though is the biggest bullies (the death shame'rs) die too, they just spend hide it.
One guy proclaimed he gave up only one death all season (a never die'r), and (outside of that) I happened to be on in AW and saw him lose two champs on one node (!) and quickly spend revive and spend heal to spend hide it.
I never see the bullies point out their own deaths in chat... not one time. Hmmmm...
And the death shaming doesn't even touch on the ego killing.
Like in one AW, this ego fighter (also death shame'r and a self proclaimed never die'r) took out the last mini and took the first shot at the boss... I watched, and he died (even though he's a never die'r!) and I was there with my 5* R5 Hood at 100% health with a class advantage and the boss had like 5% health left (and there was hours left to finish AW) and he quickly spend revived and spend healed not only to spend hide his death but to spend ego kill the official kill and brag about it. Of course, he never mentioned he died twice. <insert Line sticker of the yellow haired dude giggling behind his hand>
Anyway, just curious about this mostly in the "normal" tiers of playing this game. I know with the blubbery alliances <insert whale sticker> it's like off the charts I'm sure <insert whale sticker blowing from his spout>, but I find it kind of laughable in the "normal" tiers since the rewards are so weak and the stakes are so low (immeasurable even?) outside of people's imaginations (and egos!).
Thoughts?
The end.
Signed,
Anonymous (posting for "a friend")
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I asked "my friend" and he said he doesn't believe in death shaming. Even against the death shame'rs. Maybe he is one of The Unchatted?
What a bunch of a-holes.
The closest we ever get is our leadership saying "watch your deaths".
Hell... we even laugh about getting rolled from time to time.
We tell peeps constantly to duel for practice.
We tell peeps to use boosts if need be to avoid dying.
But at the end of the day people die.
Its wat happens.
We are just falling shy of gold 1 this season 100 - 200 gold 2.
We have picked up some good strong members this season cus they got sick of the stress amd pressure and fear of the boot if they died in war.
Concentrate on 100%ing act 5 (just reached 5.2.6), doing EQ and pushing thru arena (spun 1million during the gold boost week) also ranking my 5*s.
Very few people never die but there are those that refuse to use items and selfishly only use glory for stuff like t2a that are serial death givers. They should absolutely be held accountable and eventually booted if they're in a competitive alliance
What do you consider “higher tier”?
How do you define “competitive alliance”?
What does “held accountable” mean?
True except if everyone was capable of playing at the same level as the top few in the alliance every alliance would be fighting for plat and master rewards 😂.
Personally, I don’t death shame. I’m also a don’t die’r in the tier 4-1 wars. Except for a couple situations. But if I don’t see those situations all season I can easily go without a death the entire time. But that being said I also don’t sit around the chat calling people out for their deaths. It’s needless stress, but the higher the season tier the alliance is the higher the accountability needs to be because 1 death can swing to the win or a loss. But if that’s the case there is better ways to handle it then to shame someone.
What do you consider higher season tiers?
What does “accountability” mean?
What are the “better ways to handle it”?
Do you seriously just go around asking questions without reading?
I said what higher tiers are, if you don’t know what accountability means look it up. there are always better ways to handle situations then to bully someone.
The main thing is the get the path complete... the responsibility is to make sure its done... 0 or 10 deaths its down to you... but if you die you got to persevere to get the path finished so the exploration is done.. then its down to who had the better skill...
Shaming for one or two deaths is wrong... nobodys perfect
We’re already at that point. Once again Kabam just sold high tier AW season rewards in the store. This is what.. the 7th or 8th time in the last couple months?
So yesterday’s t5b offer was equivalent to plat1 season rewards. Only 20 alliances will get more t5b than what was offered yesterday and I can assure you nearly every one of those 600 accounts spends close to or significantly more on boosts/champs/rank up materials than what yesterday’s offer cost.
High tier players have an alternative— they can play casually, drop to a lower tier where they will never die or need to boost, earn a few thousand t5b from season rewards for free, then kabam makes up the difference by offering plat 1 t5b rewards in the store a few times a month for the same unit cost that they used to spend playing in the top 20.
So in the end, you can spend less than you did when you were in the top 20 and still end up with the same amount of t5b thanks to kabam’s generosity, all while avoiding high-tier AW and all the cheating, scheming, incompetent design, broken matchmaking, and illogical scoring that goes with it.
The top 20-50 alliances are suckers. Don’t know if we all realize it yet.
So you said Tiers 1 - 4... but are you talking Platinum or Gold 1 or Gold 2 or Silver? Tier 1 - 4 of any level? It’s unclear and I’m just hoping to understand your perspective.
I know what the word accountability means, but not sure where I can look up exactly what you mean in the context of this game? I’m asking what you mean by that?
And I’m still curious about the better ways to handle it - I think that would be insightful.
I’m not trying to be argumentative; I’m only trying to better understand your perspective.
Tier 1-4 war rating ranks (there’s 21 tiers). Accountability in war on your deaths, meaning using boosts, health pots etc...that you need to clear your lane as successful as possible.
Better ways to handle individual deaths in a war or entirely over a season;
1)Just boot the person. Can be done in a respectful manner
2)coach the person on the champs or nodes they have difficulty with.
3)have everyone take videos of their fights to address issues (death or not)
4)proper management of members and the lanes they take pending the champs they have available. (Ie don’t send someone on all or nothing nodes if they don’t have a decent power control champs)
As an officer in basically every alliance I’ve been in I take near full responsibility if someone struggles on a path. If I do nothing to correct the issue using the aforementioned ideas then I’m just as much at fault for the deaths in the battle group as the person who is dying.
Sure we do try to minimize the deaths to our attack team, but stuff happens and it does occur. But, the one thing we do is have fun when we are in a match. There is no death shaming in our Alliance.
If there are Alliances that are doing things like this, it sounds like they take this **** WAY too seriously and are probably filled with a bunch of children. If I had found myself in an Alliance like this, I probably would have just reported it and left. Found myself a better Alliance with people that don’t act like this.
It’s just a game and if you are acting like stuff like AW is the be all, end all of your existence, then perhaps you need to step away from the game and reprioritize yourself. It’s childish to be acting like this.
Although different games and platforms people out there are just plain rude and take pleasure in berating others
Just have fun and ignore anyone who seeks to ruin your fun in the game
Happy NEWBUEARS! WhatTt 2019 comming tonMCOC SOON
In my alliance we ask everyone to do their best. Of course there is frustration when someone doesn't take out a node that they clearly should, but under no circumstances is anyone allowed to shame another.
We are part of the same alliance, and while yes, our leaders do post messages about not dying, it’s because there is a reason. I have seen first hand people go into fights with less than half health. I once say a guy just use a revive and give up 2 more kills.
It’s not about the deaths, it’s about the not listening and fighting smart. People are constantly doing this, hence the reminders about HEAL UP BEFORE A FIGHT PLAY SMART AND USE BOOSTS.
I am the quintessential FTP player and I have a full stash of boosts, and comfortably sit at a bit half potions every war. I use a lot of potions. A few time unnecessarily with hindsight. One war I over healed for a mini and ended up killing an Spider-Man with only taking about 10%. Basically wasting a few potions. But hell I’d rather waste a potion or 2 than die.
When people constantly die to a throwaway node and even a throwaway champion IE: BB on a basic node because of “reasons” it starts to wear. Couple in with people not listening in general....sometimes caps helps.
And I don’t think it’s death shaming to ask why someone died. Usually when alliances post messages like that and people take them personally it’s because that message rings tre to them. People usually wait till it’s too late to speak up and then then act like it’s everyone else’s fault. But if you are dying a lot especially in S1 of a war map, and you don’t speak up, that’s on you. If your not asking for help or even a lane swap and dying to the same node over and over again, then maybe you should.
I’m not sure if you’re talking about our alliance, you’re current one, but from some of the things you have said, it sounds like it. Why not reach out to an officer? Maybe those CAPS MESSAGES aren’t directed to you. But if you feel like that are there may be a grain of truth to what they are saying.
And on the AW boss point, if you saw her revived and healed, and you had full health, why didn’t you go in? The boss becomes available for others before said player has time to exit and rejoin. Why knowingly risk giving a kill and lose attack bonus when so many of our wars lately have hinged on deaths.
On the note of speaking up, I was swapped from one lane to assist someone who was having s hard time on a lane. It became apparent that I was struggling also. So I was moved. I went from dying at least 3-6 times depending on the node/champ combo to dying 0-2. and never to to same node more than once. With the exception of last war when our backup went the wrong way and I gave up 6 deaths to a 6* Yondu who I am now just getting the hang of. That one mistake of someone not paying attention and pressing the wrong tile, cost me 15 potions.
I had an issue with a member of the leadership team and after discussing it with higher people, our alliance is a family alliance and have people out of alliances you can reach out to, my relationship with that person has gotten better. I thought I was being personally attacked but after discussing the issue that day, his frustrations with the lack of movement would have been avoided had I spent a few seconds telling him what was going on.
Remember it’s not the deaths they are mad about, it’s the fighting near death and wondering why people didn’t heal before and then blame lag, unresponsive controls, connectivity issues for the death. Rather than blame themselves people tend to play victim. I have always owned up to my mistakes and only once used unresponsive controls as an excuse and had video proof of this.
In closing I really hope you aren’t talking about the alliance you and I are both in because despite the frustrating ALL CAPS messages the leaders are really cool people. They have their own issues outside of the game just like we do, and when we make game life harder yeah they tend to get upset. But think about it, if you were constantly reminding people about using potions and boosts and then you see the same people not doing it, wouldn’t you get irritated?